Forced to take picture for school ID
I just got a frantic call from my granddaughter who was at school. She did not want to have her picture taken so I did not send in the money thinking all was OK. Well she called from cell in the bathroom and siad they told her she had to have her picture taken for the year book, and for a school ID. I have to tell you my granddaughter is a high functioning aspergers. I told her bring her phone to the teacher and put her on. She did. The teacher said I did not have to pay for the pictures, and if she did not want it in the year book that was OK but she did need one for a school ID. They were going to start using them for school functions like dances etc. I said then it will be her choice whether she wants to participate in functions an still not get her picture taken. I said I need time to check with my attorney on her rights and if it turned out there was a state law and not just a school policy about ID's THEN I WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH ONE, but no one was to try to force her to take a picture. This is all about teaching kids they have no rights and training them to be sheep so they can lead them to the slaughter and never question it, or when they line then up for the RFID chip they won't question them. Over my dead body. Of course she will not be able to participate in functions if she wants to exercise her rights to privacy. Any input oneyone. I live in Massachusetts.
school ID
If it's a public school you got what you deserve.
A private school, you might be in the wrong one.
Home school.....problem solved.
Teach your daughter the following phrase:
"Not without a court order. I will not comply."
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
Wow, surprised at the unsupportive comments.
I would not have her picture taken. Let them show you where it is stated that it's a requirement to attend the school.
My son is in public school this year for the first time and there are a few things I thought were odd as well. First, they sponsored "ident-a-kid" where the child is photographed and fingerprinted in case anything should happen to them. I have plenty of photos to supply to the police should they need that. And I don't even want to think about ever needing DNA, fingerprints, etc. but even in that case, dental records should suffice. I declined to participate in this.
Another odd thing they did was 'drug-free' week. Each student received a red ribbon to tie around their wrist as a commitment to being drug-free. I told my son he did not have to wear it and that I preferred that he didn't but he insisted on wearing it so I let him. He's in 2nd grade by the way. I know it is probably no big deal, I just don't like the premise of everyone doing the same thing just because.
You see this is the whole pont I am trying to make.
You have to go along with it or else you will be going against the social model. Some of you with kids need to do some long hard research about the education system in this country. What they are doing and why. What is the real reason for all the high stakes testing going on. You always look like a fool when you decline things like this because its all so innocent and of course its so we can protect you. They are getting these kids conditioned to show their papers and not question it. It is a very big deal and we have to become more aware of the sutle ways they are incorporating this stuff into the education system. Notice how upset your son was when you did nto wnt him to wear the ribbon. He did not want to look different than the others. This is the exact psychology behind this shit and it is planned.
I had to chuckle to myself about the drug free week. Where all the kids that were drugged up on psych drugs able to wear their ribbons LOL.
LOL
Yes, all the kids on ritalin and psychotropic drugs got to wear their ribbons:). You made an excellent point there.
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Educate yourself on the illness the child in question has, before you make more of a fool of yourself. This disorder has to do with (at least in part) becoming highly anxious in crowded and social settings for most people who have it. Even standing in line to get the picture taken, let alone having people pose you and comment on your looks, would be like someone holding a gun to your face. How would you feel? Depending on the girl herself, she might feel comfortable having a relative snap a picture in a quieter setting.
Someone with that sort of illness can function very well in society, but isn't exactly likely to head off to the prom or many school functions, and that should be something that's up to the guardian and the child to decide.
*** Ooops I meant to put this further down under a post where someone accused the OP of being ridiculous. Rather than move things around now, I'll just add this here disclaimer...
TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER:
Please work with the school to obtain some kind of usable picture ID for this child. "Big Brother" aside, having a picture ID in this age of kidnappings and such is common sense, and better one you put together with the school than getting a "state ID" later on down the line. Imagine if she is in a car with someone and in an accident which renders her unable to communicate for a time? You may consider putting together an "ID" at home with her medical information, a contact number, and her picture, just to slip in her backpack or wallet. You can do this at home, laminate it, etc., and decide what to include (and what NOT to include!).
I am very well educated on the condition of aspergers.
I'm not making a fool of myself. If fighting for her rights is making a fool of myself then this will not be the first time, nor will it be the last. She is very comfortable in social settings and loves going to the dances because rather than drug her, I made a fool of myself and challendged the science and refused. I made sure her IEP had these services included at a very young age. Having aspergers has nothing to do with feeling uncomfortable about someone taking your picture if you don't want to, or telling you that you have to take your blouse off so we can check your spine because its the law. It is absolutely big brother rearing its nasty little head. Your reasoning for having ID falls right in line with the good intentions that always accompanies the lose of privacy and our rights. After all isn't it because of the so called 9/11 terrorist attack that we are all now supposed to tolerate the government spying on us and putting ID chips in our licenses tracking us from birth to death. Public schools are without a doubt the agents for the State. They are ursurping parental rights, and brainwashing our kids to become citizens of the state, and NWO. Giving up everything for the greater good.
If you would reread...
...the person making a fool of themself was the poster further down, which is where I originally placed my response. I do not know how it became a response to the OP. I indicated that in an edit to my response. The person saying that you were somehow scarring your grandchild by "instilling fear" in them about having their picture taken is obviously ignorant to the fact that, Big Brother or no, this child would already have issues with being in such a strange and stressful situation that the school has created.
selling fear
"in this age of kidnappings and such is common sense"
You are selling fear. I no longer buy fear, and submission to state or their public school nonsense is not "common sense".
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Some fear.
Some fear is healthy, and I did not say to "submit" in any way. I said that having some form of identification is of great help, be it homemade or otherwise, in cases of kidnapping, accidents, or any number of other situations. People with medical conditions (and it was admitted that the child in question does have a disorder) often wear medical alert information, allergies, or medications they are likely to have bad reactions to. Things such as blood type, or being allergic to commonly used medicines, might be things that a parent might consider their child "carry" on their person in some form.
Notice I said this is entirely up to the parents? No? If you think your child is entirely immune from wandering off, being kidnapped, or being in some kind of accident, then I suppose my post might seem entirely far-fetched. To me, it seems that a parent might consider creating their own form of ID with what information they feel is important, rather than having the state or public school or whatever else thinks is vital (for instance, my first driver's license had "eye color" on it... for what purpose?).
Not once have I mentioned a requirement, or any sort of push to mandate that any standard ID be required for children by anyone at all, school or no. The fact the child's school seems to feel it's mandatory to have an ID whose only purpose is to participate in voluntary activities is worrisome, and their lack of sensitivity to a documented medical issue is alarming.
***Never mind. Medical Records are probably a means of fear-mongering as well. I'd taken a vacation from these boards and been dealing with the real world, and forgot how rabid people get. Oh well. It IS rather ironic that a post speckled with fretting people worried about Big Brother peeking into their lives via a school ID chooses to point the finger at a post citing statistically-supported dangers that one might want to consider when making one's child an ID if one chooses to. Rational? Nah. We sold out of that on this site ages ago. Buh-Bye.
Make an ID for her with all
Make an ID for her with all information needed.
She can sign it,maybe the principal can sign it also,just to verify that she goes to this school.
Have it laminated
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If it's for the purposes of the ID only, you might...
... want to consider allowing them to do it. As long as the picture goes nowhere after it goes on her ID then there probably isn't anything sinister about it.
i think your being rediculous
Its one thing to be concerned about a national id card, unconstitutional unwarranted search and seisure, the patriot act etc. Its a completely different thing to be going berzerk about a school picture for a yearbook and school id. Cmon, if your kid is having a bad hair day or you dont want to pay for the picture than ask if you can supply one of your own pictures, but you gotta pick your battles and this just sound rediculous to worry about. In the end your kid is probably going to be more upset if she cant go to the prom, pep rallies etc for such a stupid reason as she never got a school id. Relax, you may think the government is out to get you, (and you may be right), but your kids school is not trying to undermine you and round all its kids into a nazi like regime by making a standard school id card. I dont think the chain of events goes, get a school id, followed by implanting a chip into your kids forearm.
Go For It
You are doing the right thing. My parents (RIP) taught me to stand up for what I thought was right - it never really mattered what it was - it was my convictions and principles they supported.
People will tell you that you're crazy.
Shoot, my wife told me I was crazy last night when I was looking up Barack Obama's campaign contributors (over $600k from Goldman Sachs - guess who the new Sec. of Treasury is going to be???). Of course, she decided who she was voting for by watching Oprah Winfrey for 1 hour.
You are teaching your daughter to stand up for herself. That's the lesson that is being learned and we need all the help we can get.
Well, I wouldn't put it quite that way,
but I do think it's okay to require a school ID. In fact, it can be downright dangerous if they don't require them. As long as the picture is just for that purpose, I think it's harmless.
downright fear-mongering
"In fact, it can be downright dangerous if they don't require them."
Grade schoolers without IDs are dangerous in what way?
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Actually, I'm not being ridiculous
I don't really have a problem with the ID, I have a problem with the fact that no told me that picture day was for a school ID, I always thought picture day was to have pictures of your kid and you paid. I'm not over reacting to anything. Since when does a kid have to be threatened to have her picture taken. About two weeks ago she had to go to the nurse along with her other class mates. She was told to take her sweater off so they could check her spine. When she refused she was told you have to its the law. She came home pretty upset. I never got a consent form to sign to have her spince checked. You apparently just don't get it. These kids are being conditioned to think they have no right to refuse anything, and parents are not being asked for their consent, they are just doing it.
I agree on that
They should never be telling kids to disrobe in school. There have been some terrible abuses by so-called educators, like the Savannah Redding case. It is a good thing to teach a child critical thinking. My friend with small children writes a note at the beginning of the school year in which she states that they have no permission to do any testing or treatments without her consent.
No one
is going berserk here. Did you miss the part about how this was 'like training' where everyone HAS to do something. The school can operate just fine without her having a picture on the id card.
I think you're being an ass
...for belittling someone based on their desire to maintain the privacy of their child.
And for the record, the public 'education' system is just as much about training the children of today to be the good obedient 'citizens' of tomorrow as it is about teaching math, spelling, and selected versions of science, history, and literature. Lining them up for mandatory picture ID's today...fingerprints tomorrow...and how about a nice shiny chip implant in a couple more generations? When do you draw the line? Where? I think the OP has made it clear that this issue is that line for them, and for drawing that line I say bravo.
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home school :)
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I suggest you comply
But do it on your own terms. Tell them your granddaughter will only be allowed to be photographed if wearing a head to toe Burka completely obscuring her face.
She can wear that school ID as a badge of honor.
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
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I like this idea the best
No I did not comply. I asked if the students were going to be expected to wear ID's and the teacher said no, its just for the school file. If its for the school file then why would she need it to get into a dance. She as lying. To be honest with you I think they just wanted it for the yearbook. Its still conditioning. It happens everywhere now. I loved the part about its the law. That seems to be the answer to everything now to make people comply. My answer is always then show me the law. I'm willing to bet that I will never see the law, and my granddaughter will be able to go to any dance she wants.
Be proud
This would not be my battle...but be proud that it's yours.
They do not own your granddaughter's likeness, therefore have absolutely no right to publish her picture anywhere.
People like you remind "them" how hard it will be to get away with crap like this. If someone like you spends hours fighting them over very small things...what kind of Pandora's box will they be unleashing when they try something more Orwellian.
I would venture to guess it's due to a request by the local police. They generally will get a copy of local school yearbooks to keep to identify local hooligans. "Yes, Mrs. Johnson...point to me the boys who lit the bag of poop on fire on your doorstep."
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
http://www.youshouts.com/index.php
Me too, wouldn't be a battle I'd chose
but I support you in doing whatever you feel is right, your her guardian it appears and you make the call, it isn't the governments role to raise our kids it is ours.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
A quick lick of the lips and closing the eyes
usually results in nice shot that isn't much help for her facial recognition future.
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Your papers, please
I don't really have any input, just sadness for my country.
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