Krav Maga
Submitted by kensid23 on Mon, 11/10/2008 - 20:44
I've recently learned about this Israeli self-defense system that all Israeli military are required to learn. Apparently, it takes out all the "fanciness" of other fighting styles and uses the best parts from each to teach you how to completely devastate someone with your hands.
have any of you heard of this? there is a place in my area that teaches it and I'm considering making the investment.
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I'm a 2nd degree blackbelt
in World Taekwondo Federation style Tae Kwon Do. I am also a certified instructor. I have been training in TKD, Karate, and Kung Fu Wushu for about 10 years now, and did competitive gymnastics for 4 years, and although I am good, I would not be so bold as to say that I could hands down win a street fight. I have developed my own style of doing certain moves based off of my various areas of training. If nothing else, I would be able to do some major damage. In a real fight, rather than try to do some fancy death move, it is better to keep it as simple as possible. Practice all the onesteps you want, but they won't help all that much when you are defending against a "real" opponent.
The key is disabling your oponent, at least long enough to get away. A good sliding sidekick to the knee is a good example. That will almost certainly cause a good amount of pain and probably break some bones. If the attacker is really trying to kill you, you could try using a palm-heel strike to the nose, which could result in death.
Not that anyone cares
Not that anyone cares however just in case anyone is wondering why I have been so adamant on this thread it is because I have been involved with martial arts for over 30 years and I have seen too many people throw away their money in fly swatting martial arts billed as some super duper instant lethal technique.
It puts people out on the street with a false confidence and they get hurt if they get into an altercation.
One of my biggest pet peeves is the womens rape self defense classes often taught by police where women take a class for a week or two and think they have a viable defense against a rapist or assault. They would be better off Getting a CCL and taking shooting lessons and this is proven statistically.
Even a drunk or drug addict can be very dangerous and sometime even more so because they may not feel pain and sometimes have abnormal drug induced strength.
If you can't make a reasonable commitment to protecting your person don't be surprised when the Krotty walmart blue light special ten day course or 30 day super ninja training ends up getting you hurt when you try to use it for self defense.
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Learn ching ching pow
All you have to do is pick up a good .45 simi and a ton of lead to pour through it...it rarely fails to win the fight.
Yes but it is not applicable
Yes but it is not applicable in all situations. And lethal force is only justified when your life is in danger. I carry about 99% of the time for many years however I have never shot anyone and hope to never have to.
Pepper spray is a good option for non lethal situations and it helps prove you were trying to avoid the altercation if it ends up in court. However 3 percent of the population is immune to pepper spray so it's always good to have options of which one is self defense training.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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We must train with guns
as well as train our bodies.
I like that answer.
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Good Tip.
Think Indiana Jones up against the Master Swordsman.
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
Fluoride anyone?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0&feature=related
Pick up a copy of the Tao of Jeet Kune Do by Bruce Lee
Read it. There is no magic style. Krav Maga can be excellent training, and has techniques which when properly used are quite effective.
I'm going to say it one more time:
THE BEST MARTIAL ART IS THE ONE THAT YOU ARE PROFICIENT ENOUGH WITH TO DEFEND YOURSELF WITH
There's lots of BS below about how 'X" style is best. It's just that; BS. There is no magic style.
Actually, the TEACHER
is more important than the style.
I go back to what I've always said...
You're as good as your training,
If you log onto you tube and see a technique that 'looks cool' or send away for an 'ultimate fighting system' DVD from the back of your martial arts or SOF magazine, then that's as good as you will be.
You need to train, relentlessly...with varied opponents. You need to change venues. Train in dark rooms.... train outside in the rain.... train in winter clothes... That will give you a real eye-opening view of what your style or system is capable of.
MMA is a sport. It puts two trained fighters in a padded ring under supervision, stripped down to almost nothing and times counts their time. No one else is allowed to join in. There are no weapons and no surprises.
I like MMA. I watch it all the time. I wouldn't like having to fight even one of their lightweights! But to think of it as 'real' is wrong. It's as real as boxing, wrestling or judo. It's just bloodier and more exciting!
There's no magic to martial arts, fighting, combat, etc. It's just work. If you're willing to do the work, almost any style or system will work. Just remember your goal.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
You' d hate to have to fight
You' d hate to have to fight them but its not real... Amazing!
A good wrestler or boxer would wipe the floor with all the internet commandos here. Did you look at the video I posted it was no pads no rules and people could wear anything they wanted.
All these supposed super duper systems have been tried against MMA fighters for over 15 years and lost.
I guess TV has dumbed down folks in this area too... Sigh
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
How many heroin addicts do MMA? I'm guessing NONE.
And yet its the heroin addicts who try to mug you on the streets of Liverpool. I'm not worried about going up against an MMA warrior because it WON'T HAPPEN.
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
Fluoride anyone?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0&feature=related
And your point is?
And your point is?
I was merely responding to the ignorant that think MMA is just sport fighting. Most people who train MMA do not sport fight. MMA stands for mixed martial arts. It is not a defined style but a combination of proven methods that work. Go to Youtube and type in any system vs MMA, even mediocre and not so good MMA fighters come out on top.
I am merely pointing out that MMA is the proven best in hand to hand combat that is why even the military is adopting it. Even UFC fights are closer to a real a street fight then what is taught in many a dojo as self defense. For some reason people think an MMA fighter cannot groin kick, eye poke, break a bone, or hit you with a chair in a street fight because they don't do it in the ring. Which is ridiculous.
And you never know who your going to encounter in a street fight. But feel free to train anything you like.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
I have ZERO interest in being the world's no.1 badass.
Did you get that point?
"And you never know who your going to encounter in a street fight."
Wrong! I have a VERY GOOD idea of who I will encounter in a street fight. One or more drunken teenage punks or drug addict muggers.
Did you get that point?
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
Fluoride anyone?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0&feature=related
Hey Brit, Hawkiye knows it all
He like to sling names about to try and get a rise. It's obvious he thinks he has all the answers, and I've found it's best to let people like that believe what they will.
His posts remind me of the old Saturday morning kung fu movies.... 'My flying grasshopper style will defeat your dangling dingleberry style!!!' LOL...
MMA is not a style but it
MMA is not a style but it doesn't surprise me you can't seem to comprehend that.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
I just have to...
You said above "MMA stands for mixed martial arts. It is not a defined style but a combination of proven methods that work.
And to think all these years I've thought specific combinations of proven methods and techniques that work are what define individual styles of martial arts. Thanks for clearing that up for me, I'll make sure to correct my instructors accordingly.
Styles are defined by
Styles are defined by limited methods generally not open to new technique or comparison. A flaw that has plagued traditional martial arts.
MMA is simply an acronym to refer to mixing the arts not to define a style like Kung fu, Krotty or TKD.
MMA is not limited by such styles but open to all techniques and constant comparison in actual combat. MMA is the embodiment of Bruce Lees philosophy of taking what works from any and all combat techniques and throwing out what doesn't work. It is born of combat and progressively redefined by combat.
Tell us what style do you teach? I ask because you are way to defensive and way too quick to condemn MMA as sport fighting and not real which tells me you have not trained MMA..So please lets hear what it is you and your instructors teach that "is real" in your opinion? And also lets hear of and verify its results in actual combat?
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
Guess what? ALL of you could kick my ass.
I don't care. Why?
Because none of you are heroin addicts who need a fix or drunken revellers who want to amuse their friends by attacking strangers.
I have no interest in learning to become a black belt third dan in Mixed Testicle Crushing.
Mind you, the "dangling dingle berry style" sounds pretty neat ;-) LOL.
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
Fluoride anyone?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0&feature=related
You can't seem to read. You
You can't seem to read. You and a bunch of other dip shits here claimed MMA is just sport fighting and not real etc. I countered that nonsense with facts.
No one cares what you aspire to be or who who you think you will encounter on the street despite you complete lack of experience and ignorance.
I am simply tired of idiots here spreading BS about things they know nothing about. Did you get that point dumbass?
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
Your reading comprehension sucks.
I have said it before and I will say it again, the chances of meeting a TRAINED FIGHTER in a street corner brawl are NEAR ZERO. Therefore normal people do NOT need to WASTE THEIR TIME on advanced martial arts if they only want to defend themselves in REAL LIFE.
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
Fluoride anyone?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0&feature=related
And you know this how? From
And you know this how? From your vast experience?
I have trained and taught martial arts for many years and I am a normal person. Like anything in life you cannot get the benefit without putting in the effort. Just get a concealed weapons permit and some peper spray.
You don't have to become Bruce Lee but you do have to put in some real time and effort to have any sort of viable self defense technique and like shooting you have to practice it with some regularity to remain proficient. No one ever said any thing about having advanced techinque
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
In real fights, people get killed/maimed.
Ask the family of Andrew Jones. Their innocent son was killed on a night out with one punch to the back of the head.
http://www.justiceforandrewjones.com/
If you think his case is isolated then you are a total fool. Not every victim gets killed of course - many are hospitalised, in wheelchairs or have scars that will never heal.
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
Fluoride anyone?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0&feature=related
And of course I never said
And of course I never said anything to the contrary. But the fact is most street fights still end without serious injury. That fact does not negate that they can end in serious injury. All the more reason to avoid them if at all possible.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
"Most street fights end without serious injury"? Excuse me?
I really have to wonder what US city you live in or if you've ever been out for a drink on a Friday night.
The answer to the trivial academic question "could a real martial artist kick my ass?" is an obvious "YES."
I'm really not interested in that question as the chances of me fighting a real martial artist in a street brawl are about those of winning the lottery or getting struck by lightening.
However, the chances of some drink/drug fuelled dick head threatening me with violence are pretty good. Its happened already.
I may be a little "touchy", but I don't like guys threatening to stab me or knock me out for:
a) walking down the street
b) looking at them the wrong way
c) doing my job (security)
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
Fluoride anyone?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0&feature=related
I grew up in southern
I grew up in southern California area LA, Orange county areas I have had my share of street fights and witnessed many.
As I have said before you never know who you might encounter. You keep saying you don't expect to encounter a trained martial artist. I never said you have to be at a level where you should, however even some gangs train in martial arts.
A good street fighter can whip most traditional martial artist. One thing Bruce lee taught was to never under estimate your opponent.
If you do security I would recommend Brazilian Ju Jitsu. There is no martial art that is that good in stopping a knife best bet is to avoid run or have some sort of equalizer. Most if not all knife defense techniques taught in martial arts schools around the world don't work.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
Here you go folks people
Here you go folks people can talk all they want including me here is a video; Military Fighting systems vs MMA including Krav Maga. And the clips of UFC were when there were NO RULES
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdpnw_military-systems-vs-m...
There is no super duper fighting system that will make you a super ninja in the privacy of your own home after 10 video lessons. Like everything else it takes some time and dedication to get proficient.
It takes a least a year of regular training to make it second nature. Folks can do well in a few months but will lose it in a real fight because of adrenaline.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
Typical responses
I have to admit, other than "Brit4RonPaul" most took the typical path of response...ridicule what you do not know or understand.
I've been speaking with one of the Dept Directors at Homeland Security recently looking at KFM for the U.S. Air Marshalls and just did a letter of intro for KFM to the U.S. Secret Service as some of their people are looking at it as well. Carlos Machado, one of the best-known names in MMA and BJJ, was quite taken with the system (friend of mine) and made the comment himself that MMA is great for the ring, but the 'streets" are another thing entirely. That is not to say "principles" of MMA, boxing, wrestling, etc will not apply, simply ackowledging that it is a different mindset in the ring (winning) vs. the street (surviving).
Bill Clark, President of the ATA (American TaeKwonDo Association) with 1.5 million members said recently this is the most unique program he's seen in 20+ years of martial arts training around the globe. Ernie Reyes, Sr., Matt Hughes and others were also quite impressed with the look they got at it this past July at a convention in Orlando, FL. But does that still make KFM better than anything else out there? No, even the founders will tell you it's just another piece of personal arsenal.
By all means, go with what you think is best, but in the process do not knock what you (a) do not know and (b) have not experienced for yourself.
And to hawkiye, I am well acquanited with Muay Thai (and found it interesting that you mis-spelled it, though "you" are supposedly familiar with it), and it IS a great (sport) system for 1-1 ring fighting, but good luck implementing with 2-3-4 attackers "simultaneously." That's when you'd BETTER know how to cover first as it's just math at that point, 2-3 attackers simpy have more arms, fists, legs and feet than you do. Point being, you WILL get hit, so better learn to cover as effectively as possible until you CAN counter.
Again, people were throwing suggestions out there for training but not everyone has (a) access to training and/or (b) a desire to spend years or thousands of dollars to train. I offered an option, simple as that folks ;-)
People always resort to
People always resort to spelling flames when they have nothing else. The video showed a guy covering only his face and head. The two guys attacking him were only throwing strikes at his head the video was BS like most videos trying to sell a martial arts system.
Mui Tai is spelled many different ways since it is just an English rendering of an Asian name. it has also proven the most effective in stand up martial arts through process of elimination. Mixed with western boxing style and head movement it is hard to beat.
But you’re right every one has an opinion. I would be happy to do a friendly workout with anyone to compare knowledge. No hard feelings.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
Learn "Batman's" Fighting System AT HOME-- no kidding
Those familiar with the "new and improved" Batman character via "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" might already know about KFM or Keysi Fighting Method (also utilized in the new James Bond film coming out this weekend). For those not familiar, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVWyqBdE5RI
What you may NOT know is that you can actually learn KFM in the privacy of your own home via their online program "Urban X"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mPPBf40uYI
This unique and ballistic street defense system trains the person in a 360-degree environment of multiple, (key word here) "simultaneous" attackers whether fighting on your feet, knees, bottom or back.
I like Krav Maga, Systema (Russian/KGB system), some forms of Ninjutsu and Jeet Kune Do (Bruce Lee's system). Just keep these tips in mind when shopping for personal defense instruction:
(1) Is the system sport related (even if UFC/MMA)? Yes? Walk away; (2) Is there more concern about signing you up vs. finding out "why" you are signing up? Yes? Walk away; (3) Do they tell you it will take years to master the system to the point you can realistically defend yourself? Yes? Walk away; (4) Is there an 'immediate' addressing of simultaneous multiple attackers from the beginning of your training? No? Walk away.
I write for several national martial arts magazines and have taught several traditional and non-traditional systems over the years, so why my enthusiasm for KFM? I have seen average...repeat "average" people-- 30's-40's, no prior training, not much flexibility, not very athletic, etc get very proficient in very short periods of time with KFM unlike any other method or system I've seen in over 20 years.
Check out their main international website at http://www.keysifkm.com to learn more or sign up for the online program ("Urban X") which only costs $10/month with a new online lesson each week you can use to train in the "privacy" of your own home! I know that last sentence appeals to "this" online crowd...lol.
Questions? Jeff@KFM-USA.com
U.S. Ambassador for KFM