OPEN LETTER to Peter Schiff and Dr Paul, HELP!!!
Submitted by WyoWill on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 13:49
I just want to know what it is we are supposed to do?
I don't have a means to "get out of the dollar", I don't make so much that I can afford to do anything drastic. I am afraid I am just like the majority of Americans who's house isn't worth what I am paying.
I am 4 years away from oweing nothing other than my home and I am working hard to get on top of my debt but I want some advise.
What do you tell someone who has just seen the light?
Help?
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A lot of good
advice but I would pay off the credit card because they have harsher laws for bankruptcy. Not paying off your debt might be just the reason for them to throw us in their prison to work off the debt. Just my two cents.
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quiltingsando, the harsher bankruptcy laws...
that you speak of aren't that harsh. Only if you have huge amounts of equity, which most people filing BK don't have to liquidate. Each state has its own requirements for equity. Other than that, BK is still a very easy thing to do, Unless you work for a debt consolidation company, you are spewing misinformation. Contact a BK attorney for accurate info. "THE NEW BK LAWS DO NOT REQUIRE YOU TO PAY BACK MOST OF YOUR DEBT." That is an out and out LIE!!!
No credit cards...
Only debt is secured vs home and a vehicle.
“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” - George Bernard Shaw
wants are unlimited, means are scarce...
....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)
***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***
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THANKS
This will keep me busy for quite a while.
OH, THE MISSED OPPORTUNITIES,
“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” - George Bernard Shaw
wants are unlimited, means are scarce...
....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)
***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***
people with typical debt
aren't good candidates for Schiff's strategies.
in my opinion.
if you are in typical American debt....then you're up to your eyeballs in debt.
your house payment will typically be more then 25% of your monthly income.
your car payment will typically be 25% or more of your monthly income.
your credit cards and other debts will eat up mostly everything else leaving just barely enough to pay utilities, food, gas, insurance, etc.
paycheck to paycheck....the american dream
living high on the hog on debt.
people in that situation will be cutting their throats if they try and follow Schiff's excellent strategies.
it's just the wrong audience.
Back in 2004 through 2007, I would have suggested to those in a lot of debt to start working feverishly to GET OUT OF DEBT, except for a MODEST mortgage payment.
so
step 1 in 2004, 2005, 2006 would have been get out of debt.
step 2, would have been to save enough cash-on-hand, for two or three months living expenses. this is emergency oh-shit money. you could have it in a money market for quick withdrawal (i.e. no CDs)
step 3, after getting out of debt, and having an emergency fund, THEN, THEN THEN ONLY THEN, would a person think about Peter Schiff's ideas.
This might manifest itself as buying a few rolls of silver. Peter himself said he started taking delivery years ago.
step 4, as it becomes apparent to everyone that our economy is in trouble, step 4 should be to increase the emergency fund from 2-3 months to 5-6 months.
These steps are to be taken when we're still in 2005, 2006, and some of 2007.
It's too late for that series of steps now. too late.
We're in a crisis mode now.
If I were behind the eight ball. Here's what I would do.
1. Cut all expenses TO THE BONE. no internet, no cable, no eating out, no NOTHING.
2. Sell everything I did not absolutely need.
3. The House.....if the house payment takes more then half of your monthly income...that's insane. Even at 25%....that's high. People will have to decide if they can live in a cheap apartment at considerable savings over their house. Foreclosure. Better sooner then later. You go from a $1200/month mortgage payment to $600/aparment, while you still have a job, in 3 months that's $1800 of emergency money. If you wait, then eventually let the bank take the house anyway....then your out of the house and no increase in emergency money. Might as well get the benefit up front.
4. The cars. Car payments are stupid. That's a monthly $300 to $600 that could be adding to the emergency fund. Not to mention the full coverage insurance. Cars go back if I was desperate. Buy a used vehicle...something unpopular with a good engine. It should be cheap. And bought with cash.
5. I'd defer paying credit cards. If I was in sort of bad shape, I'd pay minimums. If I were in real bad shape, I'd pay nothing. They can be delt with later.
6. Most importantly HOARD CASH. Anticipate not having a job. Be incredibly stingy with that emergency cash. Protect your cash.
Not up to my eyeballs... but maybe up to 'me arse'
house payment is 42% of my net... (Crazy stupid) but I do have a job that is likely to withstand most recession/depression scenarios. Vehicle payment is on 0% which still doesn't change much. Either way I am upside down on both at this point.
Nothing else...not like the above isn't enough to choke a horse.
Working on a garden and avoiding all the non-essentials.
I have a very little bit of metals (gold/silver) but I do have a little bit of savings... not enough to pay of the vehicle (which is at 0%) and certainly not enough to pay off the house.
So what do I do with my little savings?
Oh BTW, I am also trying to sell a rental property. I am making a few hundred a month and the tenant wants to buy it in a year... Do you think things will hold together that long? She is a nurse, currently making good money.
Thanks
“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” - George Bernard Shaw
wants are unlimited, means are scarce...
....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)
***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***
I sent you a message
I sent you a message basically talking about increasing your emergency fund. The emergency fund is basically just money that will cover all expenses that must be paid....the fund to be used during a loss of income.
I recommended 4 months minimum of emergency fund. And when you reach that go for 7 months total of emergency fund.
The twist though, was to start buying bullion, once the 4 month emergency fund mark was reached.
At some point a person could have 3 to 4 months of emergency fund based in cash, and 3 to 4 months of emergency fund based on bullion.
The balance of bullion to cash, could be adjusted as things changed.
A little more bullion could be useful when you feel job security is strong, and that inflation is on the horizon.
Or a little more cash, if job security is lower then usual.
Or if gold makes new highs, take some profit and apply the proceeds to your secured debt.
Here are my simple observations about selling precious metals, and debt:
-Inflation: when inflation is high, sell high, and DO use the proceeds against your fixed rate debts. Don't use the proceeds on goods, materials and services that have also inflated.
-Deflation: when inflation is low, if forced to sell low, DON'T use the proceeds against your fixed rate debts. Do use the proceeds on goods, materials and services that have also deflated.
In this way, you take advantage of gold/silver's strength during the good times.
And suffer no penalty if forced to sell during the bad times.
The reason I mentioned selling first...is that it's easier to buy. It's a little bit more challenging to know when to sell...everyone knows to buy low sell high. But what if you bought high, and are force to sell low? I'm noticing that bullion tracks other commodities. Not perfectly, but it's in the ballpark. Bullion buys as much gas, food, energy and general supplies when prices are high or low. Commodities are moving together.
But your fixed secured loan payments do not normally shrink or expand with commodities. Therefore selling gold low and using on the house payment is detrimental, and the opposite is true....selling gold high and using on the house payment is good. (selling high assumes you sold higher then you bought)
If you have no debt, you can stay in a larger percentage of bullion vs cash.
If you have a high debt, you can't go so heavy on bullion, cause in hard times, selling your bullion low and applying to a fixed rate debt is not so good. Your liquidating more metal for a single payment, then when inflation is high.
If you have high debt, but feeling confident about your job security and don't have a lot of unsecured debt......you play it by ear.
I have no debt. Over half my assets are bullion. Almost half is sitting in cash at the stock broker. And a small portion represents my emergency fund.
My emergency fund is smaller then 4 months worth, simply because I have no debt, and I'm very adaptable.
If you have family, and large debts.....then a person has a lot more to lose and requires greater stability. You need at least 4 months if not double that in emergency fund. Only cash beyond that should be used for bullion and other investments.
FANTASTIC information...
Thank you... You have given me a lot to think about and a direction that makes sense to me.
Be Blessed
“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” - George Bernard Shaw
wants are unlimited, means are scarce...
....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)
***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***
Go get a copy of Crash
Go get a copy of Crash Proof.
don't waste your money...
That book won't help anyone who can't afford to get out of the dollar. The book basically says get into precious metals and local asian stocks & currencies not tied or affected by the u.s. dollar for the very long haul.
on a different note:
I've noticed that local supermarkets are beginning to carry large quantitied provisions lately.
Full Disclosure...
I do in fact hold a job that is as close to recession proof as there is... and depression resistant as there is. I am much more likely to be fired for my "extreme Constitutional views"... Ironic for one in my profession.
I will be able to pay my existing bills, but inflation, deflation, stagflation offer unknowns at this time.
Do silver rounds offer the same purchasing power as silver eagles and pre-64 US coins?
I own a rental property in a (current) boom town that I cannot seem to sell... I am afraid it may become the stone around my neck.
Thanks for the views
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“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” - George Bernard Shaw
wants are unlimited, means are scarce...
....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)
***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***
don't buy coins for
don't buy coins for "collectors" value, only for their silver content.
UNLESS, you want to dedicate serious time and resource to learning the art of grading and valuing coins.
the forms of silver you mention are all good. just know what the going price is.
for example off the top of my head:
eagles spot+5 in quantity, +6 in small amounts, +7 on ebay, +7 on street
generic 1 oz bars/rounds spot+3 in quantity, +3.75 in small amounts, +4.50 on ebay, +3.75 on street
so if spot is $10
then I should be able to buy eagles for $300 per roll in bulk and $340 (not including shipping) for a single roll on ebay.
(goes and checks...)
pretty close.
I know that I could sell a roll for $330 in person or on ebay if I needed cash.
The spot+$5 price of eagles in bulk is not fixed. It changes. It used to be spot+$3 at one point....but as silver contracts dropped so rapidly, a larger then usual gap formed between spot price and actual delivery price.
minted coins always have a premium of some sort over spot.
only way to get real close to spot, is to buy a giant brick of silver. then you get 59 cents over spot....but have to buy a 1000 oz block.
this is of course not useful other then investment.
if you ever need to trade or barter with silver, then 1000 oz brick of silver isn't very useful.
I am pretty up on the silver-go-round
Just really wondering what to do... Your other post was very, VERY helpful.
Thanks again.
“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” - George Bernard Shaw
wants are unlimited, means are scarce...
....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)
***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***
No problem. As you well
No problem. As you well know, someone will stumble into these long winded posts of ours. And maybe it'll give them something for their brain to chew on.
If your ideas and thoughts on silver aren't strikingly different from mine, I'd take that as a "possible" sign that we've somewhat dug through the BS, and have figured out how this game works (i.e. I'm not totally off base). I'm still learning, and always check my posts to see if someone has schooled me....i.e. they're pointing out my fallacies and have now given me a new angle to incorporate in my "mental" playbook.
I'm currently prepared for being jobless and 20% of Americans also being jobless.
But I'm starting to give a moderate probability that it won't come to that. Everything is coming down in price. Lot's of cost cutting has happened in businesses. I think people start taking risks again this Spring. And then we see a recovery following that.
It's not a popular opinion. But I've seen the doom and gloom crowd really miss the mark. Every person alive thinks the end times are on the horizon. Just around the corner. Fear and greed balance each other. Maybe we're always supposed to be apprehensive of the future.
On the economy, I think Peter Schiff is mostly right. I think everything he predicted came true. The dollar did collapse. If you define collapse as a severe loss of value. I think some people want to define collapse as "going away" and we get a new currency. I don't think that will happen this cycle. Maybe it will, or maybe it will take another dozen or more, volatile cycles for it to happen. Schiff will be right again, even if the economy turns around, as a growing economy will certainly push our dollar into new lows for value. Inflation will be harsh.
The dollar is making a mind boggling turn around right now. Everyone knows it's temporary. But it doesn't matter. It'll make energy, food and supplies cheap enough for the economy to get it's footing again....at least for the next cycle.
or maybe we'll all be in bread lines.
But I give a higher probability to a turn around, with inflation. Months not years.
I think we are on or nearly on the same page...
But you are further down the page than I.
Went to a gun show today... lots of folks in prep-near panic mode.
I also think we are in a short term turn around... but I have lots of questions about it all.
I am solidly Christian and there are lots of Biblical Prophecies that are in play... the Fed, EU, and whatever forces at work all have their roll to play, but if I had it all figured out, I would write a few books and make a quick million Euros or whatever and have few concerns.
Until then, I guess you will find me here.
“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” - George Bernard Shaw
wants are unlimited, means are scarce...
....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)
***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***