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**Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America**

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80644

Because it has abandoned moral absolutes and its historic Christian faith, the U.S. is moving closer to a Nazi-style totalitarianism, warns a former German member of the Hitler Youth in a new book.

"Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss," writes Hilmar von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of "Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America."

Von Campe has founded the national Institute for Truth and Freedom to fight for a return to constitutional government in the U.S. – a key, he believes, to keeping America free.

"I lived the Nazi nightmare, and, as the old saying goes, 'A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument,'" writes von Campe. "Everything I write is based on my personal experience in Nazi Germany. There is nothing theoretical about my description of what happens when a nation throws God out of government and society, and Christians become religious bystanders. I don't want to see a repetition. The role of God in human society is the decisive issue for this generation. My writing is part of my life of restitution for the crimes of a godless government, of the evil of which I was a part."

Von Campe grew up under the Nazis, served in the Hitler Youth and fought against the Red Army in the Yugoslavian theater as a tank gunner in the German army. He was captured at the end of the war and escaped five months later from a prisoner of war camp in Communist Yugoslavia.

"It took me a long time to understand and define the nature of National Socialism," says von Campe. "And, unfortunately, their philosophy continues to flourish under different labels remaining a menace to America and free human society."

He writes: "The most painful part of defining National Socialism was to recognize my own moral responsibility for the Nazi disaster and their crimes against humanity. It boiled down to accepting the truth that 'as I am, so is my nation,' and realizing that if every German was like me, it was no wonder that the nation became a cesspool of gangsters. This realization is as valid today for any person in any nation as it was then, and it is true for America and every American now."

Von Campe's message is that political freedom and democratic rules alone are not sufficient to govern humanity justly.

"Democratic procedures can be subverted and dishonest politicians are like sand in the gearbox, abundant, everywhere and destructive," he writes. "What I see in America today is people painting their cabins while the ship goes down. Today in America we are witnessing a repeat performance of the tragedy of 1933 when an entire nation let itself be led like a lamb to the Socialist slaughterhouse. This time, the end of freedom is inevitable unless America rises to her mission and destiny."

Von Campe says he sees spiritual parallels among Americans and his childhood Germany.

"The silence from our pulpits regarding the moral collapse of American society from within is not very different from the silence that echoed from the pulpits in Germany toward Nazi policies," he explains. "Our family lived through the Nazi years in Germany, an experience typical of millions of Europeans regardless of what side they were on. We paid a high price for the moral perversions of a German government, which excluded God and His Commandments from their policies. America must not continue following the same path to destruction, but instead heed the lessons of history and the warning I am giving."

Specifically, von Campe warns Americans their political leaders are on the wrong footing, "denying our cultural and traditional roots based on our unique Constitution and Christian orientation as a nation. Christians don't understand their mission."

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Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg

was also a former Nazi youth and he was part of the plot to assassinate Hiltler.

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Sorry, cannot be

Stauffenberg was born in 1907, so he was simply to old to join them at any time. And he was offspring of an aristocratic catholic family (his father was Oberhofmarschall at the court of the last King of Wurttemberg) also being related to prussian lower aristocrats from his mother's side. These kind of people despised Nazism, because they saw it as something vulgar. Most of them omitted to get involved with Nazi organisation and stayed in reveries to restore the old monarchies. In fact the special background of Stauffenberg was the conservative and elitist circle of the poet Stefan George http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_George . I hope the film doesn't show Stauffenberg in a HJ-uniform. If yes, this is film is bunk.

Fellowship of the White Rose

Ron Paul was right

The church and the government

have both let the people down. True, our forefathers left religion (and morals) out of the Constitution...and left it to the "church".However, if the church cannot influence mankind and guide the morals of a nation ( the USA church has become a joke)...then who will maintain control over the nation's morality? The government of course. That's pretty much the two choices for a nation's moral keeper...either a religious philosophy influences the overall morals of the society...or the government passes the laws to control the people. To believe that society can exist in harmony while each person abides by their own "personal" individual moral code is ludicrous. It will never work.

It is my understanding that when the German church failed in their responsibility to provide faith, hope and moral direction for the people...the government took over for the church. I also agree with the author in that it is happening here in America...there is no moral compass anymore. The churches have failed and the government is now in charge of the morality of the people

If people think that "God's" laws were unfair, repressive, or outdated...they are gonna love what the government (the narcissist corrupt politician's moral code) has in store for them. Our forefathers gave the power only to their creator...not an earthly body of men. Today's society has opted to take it from the creator and give it to a body of men. The church is gone and Government is here to be our guide and protector....All hail Obama..the new "Messiah"....

Morals have squat to do with Religeousity

or a belief in G-d at all.
Men do not need a higher authority to be moral.

Morality is at its roots a act of long term selfishness for the reasonable person. Doing good, being productive, working, faithfullness in relationships, family and every thing considered moral can be strictly motivated out of a selfish desire for long term happiness and prosperity.

There is no need for God in Government..

Besides, Hitler USED Religion Heavily and God was NOT taken out of Government . God was highly involved in it as was the Catholic church in Nazism.

The Nazi Beltbuckles envoked the name of God.

One Voice, One Vision, One Love ~ Liberty.
Good Thoughts, Good Words , Good Deeds.
That is the Ron Paul rEVOLution Creed.

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Morality

Fortune Favors the Bold

whose morality though? I think its speciuous to say that there is a strong correlation between percentage of christians and morality.

I think its true that cultural moral emphasis changes over time.

I'm not so convinced that there are especially "moral" times. Take the period of the founders, for example. It was not seen by most as immoral to enslave another man because of his race. In that sense, we are certainly have higher moral standards then those times.

I think economic prosperity and technological innovation leads very generally to greater morality, as we tend to see more respect for other humans in times of prosperity and as technology evolves.

Fortune Favors the Bold

you made a good point

some of the founding fathers actually owned slaves...and the last country to abolish slavery was Brazil where catholic church fought hard to keep it legal.
Also when one does wikipedia search slavery anglican church had a major role in slavery around the world.

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Certainly the author has a couple of valid points

concerning the role and responsibility of individuals and the behavior of "the State". I do think the parallels he makes between Germany and The U.S. are weak. The key to Nazi power was violence. Not politics or economic policy or religion or anything else.

h-daddy

Violence is not enough to

Violence is not enough to get anyone anywhere unless conditions permit. The state Germany was in post-WW1 left a vacuum that the Nazi party filled.

Don`t wait for the violence

@H-daddy

Most of the violence came AFTER the Nazis had grasped the power.

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wow, excellent article.

wow, excellent article.

after all one has to admit

that today a lot of people lack the moral compass and patriotism so common during the founding of this country.
A return to those values a spiritual journey within us is a fundament in restoring America.
One does not have to be even religious to be spiritually awake.

http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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I agree we're on the fast

I agree we're on the fast track for fascism, but the religious angle of this post is nonsense. "If you pray for rain, it eventually rains. If you pray for it to stop raining, it eventually will. The same happens in the absence of prayer."

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Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

You are right on Jzneff

I would love to have a beer with you!!

My cell # is 970 388 1650. I am just north of Denver. If ever you are around call me up and I will by you a beer......or two!

Analogy

When a Father leaves toys(resources) in a room with 4 little kids to play in, the kids think the Father is not around watching . When the 4 kids begin to talk etc... one of them or 2 might gang up and bully the others into doing stuff. Its plain and simple, the bullys in that room of little kids think the Father isnt watching.

When a nation turns its back on God, it forgets and thinks God is not watching,and when that happends,all respect for life and liberty are thrown out the door along with the respect for and fear of God.

"Stop paying lip service to the Constitution,and OBEY IT!"-Ron Paul

I don't think that really works.

First, there are millions of people, myself included, that do not think there is even a possibility that God (I'm assuming you are speaking of the Christian god and not one of the others) is watching or has ever been watching. And, the ones I know personally, live very moral and ethical lives - and many of them are Constitutionalists and conservative. I think my moral code is quite highly developed actually and I've analyzed it over and over.

Second, isn't it just the bullies that are misbehaving? So, I guess I would be one of the other kids - and I would personally gang up and kick the shit out of the bullies to get our individual rights back. (or outsmart them and cause them to harm themselves with a double-dog-dare or something).

Third, if you are attempting to relate this story to reality in the US - then the bullies are actually the religious and quasi-religious noecon leaders. They are the ones coaxing and pulling on emotional strings without rationality. So, you are condemning religion here?

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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Thanks Rhonda

I will add this link to the thread.

http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57925480@N00/2660779139/sizes/l/

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Moral Absolutes

I know historical revisionism is popular, especially when it comes to "Hitler". But, Nazi's were Christian and the movement used religion as evidence of its superiority - period. Hitler was far from being an atheist - although he did believe in a blend of Christianity and Gnostic Paganism (get back to German roots). The Pope and Catholic Church were complacent - albeit under some duress - but where were the moral absolutes there? The people believed (as we do not in the US) that a religious war was congruous with their foreign policy.

The idea that the Nazi movement happened because of LACK of religion is preposterous. And notice, he says: "We paid a high price for the moral perversions of a German government". What about the moral perversions of the people that carried out their horrible plans?! Sorry - that's passing the buck and ignoring the use of religion to advance their ideas.

Moral Absolutes are the reason we are in this mess in the first place. "Don't ever question your religious leaders". Or, do you mean absolutes like the Christians who say "Do not kill" is one of ten main tenents but go around killing brown people who worship a different sky daddy?

Nope - I don't buy it. I am too awake to fall for this crap.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

To Mohusk, that is why our 'secular' Founders made sure we had

separation of church and state because 'religion' was never meant to be used for public policy, instead they formed our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and Bill of rights, 'philosophically' based on the universal teachings of the Nazarene and the Ten Commandments.

Agree - to a point

I agree about the founders and policy. However, there is an abundant amount of evidence (such as the entire "Common Sense" pamphlet that triggered the Revolution) that the overriding philosophy of the founders was the American Enlightenment. This philosophy is the idea of individualism over collectivism as the best way to advance civilization and rejection of religiously and divinely chosen rulers.

Also, "the Nazarene" is an interesting choice of moniker since the Nazarenes were a Gnostic movement based on Paul's writings and Jewish Mysticism. Nazareth was their commune they built about 300 years after Jesus supposedly lived. Also, which Ten Commandments are you referring to? The first set of 17 or the second set of 12? The Catholic Piux version or the Jewish version or the Lutherian version or the Born-again version?

Also, many of the lessons given by Jesus in the New Testament can be traced to Buddha, the original Christ - Krishna, and Greek Dionysian texts.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Awesome. Thanks for the info.

'the Nazarene' is and was a way of referring to the master teacher, Jesus, without putting him on a pedestal which detracts from his teaching. He really preferred anonymity, but those in power saw how they could co-opt or high jack a profound movement toward personal/universal freedom and collectivize it into something they 'control' because in essence it totally threatens divine right of Kings, usury, power and control over others.

I was once raised on the Catholic version of the Ten Commandments but was unaware of the other two 'sets' you mentioned. Interesting....

well i hear you loud and clear

Im tired of this ignorant pro-christian literature as much as you are. To think that all of our problems can be boiled down to a perceived trend that people are 'pulling away from god' is as you say, preposterous. Religion has a great purpose in humanity and i respect religions that respect others and preach decent, peaceful behavior. However, to go insofar as to correlate the likes of contemporary america with that of nazi germany on the basis of a lack of faith in god, as you have well pointed out, is certainly incorrect in the historical sense, and arguably even more preposterous to explain the current political quagmire that we find ourselves in today in our own country.

besides folks, this is coming from WND.. cmon now.

You do understand that

You do understand that "pulling away from god" means that you are no longer following what God has told you to do or not to do, right?

What has God told us to do?
Do not steal.
Do not murder.
Use just (as opposed to unjust) money.
I could go on and on. Violating these things are violations of other peoples rights.

Yet these are all things that people have less and less respect for. They have literally turned away from what God has said to do.
They have been misled into thinking that it's not stealing when the government does it.
They have been misled into thinking that wealth can be counterfeited through credit expansion and printing presses.
They have been misled to think that you can initiate violence against others who have done nothing to you.
The more widespread the violation of rights becomes, the worse things are for everyone involved. It's common sense. Cause and effect.

Those that follow God follow God's teachings (not perfectly of course). Those that turn away from God generally turn away from God's teachings (or pervert them, or denounce them, etc), and this means more sin (imperfection, evil, whatever you want to call it) which leads to more suffering.

Good way of explaining 'pulling away from God', gcopenhaver!

The collectivized mind control out there is like walking on eggshells sometimes with people who have this knee-jerk reaction to Christianity. But you can see why they develop such prejudice after watching the films like, 'Jesus Camp' and the many 'ironic' situations that expose hypocrisy, lust, and greed; Pedophile priests, billionaire televangelists caught in a moral indiscretion, pastors rendevous-ing with gay lovers with drugs, etc., Bush saying he is a born again Christian, yet invades a sovereign country and commits our soldiers to murder and terrorizing a people who did nothing to threaten our country in the least.

I would say that is 'pulling away from God'.

I'm not sure I'm

I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly...are you saying absolute morals are bad, suggesting that they should be relative?

Not exactly

I'm not saying absolute morals are bad - I'm saying moral absolutes are bad. There is a difference.

I'm not sure what you mean by relative. Moral codes are essentially developed throughout civilizations and have evolved as the human species changes. In that sense, they are relative. However, things such as murder, especially of your own "tribe" have always been against moral code as it goes against our instinct for survival and our communal nature and has been learned throughout hundreds of thousands of years to be counterproductive. "Killing" on the other hand seems to always be relative, depending on whose being killed - as in war.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

The way I feel about it is...

Religious absolutism in particular is dangerous because it asks us to substitute the judgment of a religious leader for our own. It asks you to stop thinking, and just do what God--or rather the church's interpretation of God--tells you to do.

Amen and thank God for people like von Campe

But his warnings will go unnoticed and unheeded by brainwashed materialists and sinister media hacks. And politicians of course will sweep him under the rug as fast as possible.

Thanks for the post.

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