The streets in Chicago were FILLED with protesters!! They stopped traffic!
they're going crazy!
It's Obama's Army!!! They're chanting YES WE CAN!
It's madness!
it was instantaneous too.... there were thousands of people....
if only we had that kind of power for our cause.
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Update:
I've gathered that this was/is some sort of demonstration for gay/equal rights and Obama supporters.
I've been watching from my window, but here's a link from the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Gay-Marriage.html?hp
it's pretty much cleared up by my building, but I can still hear the protest going on around me.
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I guess I'm indifferent to this protest.... in my view, marriage is not a right. The only rights are life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness + the Bill of Rights. You don't have a right to job- nobody HAS to give you one.... same thing goes for money, house, food, water, etc. While many of those are essential to live, I don't believe the government must provide you for them. That's your job.
I don't think there should be any form of government marriage. I think it's sort of insulting.... marriage shouldn't be a political issue. It's private.... it's a social issue and a religious one (whatever your religious beliefs are...).
If gay people want to be married (and there was no government marriage) all they'd have to do is agree to it between each other. Problem solved. As long as it doesn't effect other people, which it wouldn't if government wasn't involved, because then it'd be more private.
However, since marriage has been thrust into the political sphere, I would say the best solution is to let the states decide. Again, I don't think this should really be an issue for any government.... but, under the Constitution, if a state or local government wanted to make a decision on the issue, then it's in their right to do so.
I don't really have any sort of personal view on gay marriage... but I would say, the people of California and other states where similar gay marriage bans have passed were given a choice. Both sides had the chance to get their views out and campaign. People voted. Their voices were heard.
You might say, "but I don't want the mob/majority to vote my rights away...." Well, I agree, but again, I don't see marriage as a right.
I wonder if me and my GIRLFRIEND could adopt children
I'll bet they'd want us to be married right? I don't care if they get married, I really don't like them raising adopted kids----especially the dudes. That is where I draw the line and think there should be a law.
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Enough Of This Phony Liberty Supportin' Of Homo's
Enough, enough, enough, yeah that's right! Enough!
I'm sure our Forefathers brought forth this Nation for the homosexuals, yeah right, that was their intent! M'mm h'mmm. Sure.
I'm sure as they laid wounded 'n dyin' on the battlefield, blood draining from their bodies upon the earth, they said, they cried "damn", had a do it for the homosexuals.
Y'all wastin' your breathe on 'em, for 'em.
Would'nt want to
to waste your breathe on homophobes either. You never know , Some of the founding fathers might have been gay. They fought for freedom for all. Not for all but gays.
you obviously don't
you obviously don't understand the phrase in the declaration that says all men are created equal
whether they are white, black, red, yellow, gay, straight, have 3 fingers, have no fingers, walk funny, dress like bums, smell like crap, have no teeth, 3 feet tall, 10 feet tall, have 2 legs, have 1 leg, or have no legs
the founding fathers fought for liberty for all .. not liberty for some
as for obama ... no one likes him anyway ... they are using his yes we can crap .... but when fighting for liberty .. it is different ... this would be one of the rare times that they ever get anything right
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Yes we can! (have the status quo)
When I see obama dismantle the patriot act or back up on his FISA vote I might change my mind, but right now I think hes just another liberal puppet for the bankers and israelis.
When the protections of having a republic are gone and we move towards a democracy, the tyranny of the majority will take everything youve got including your freedom.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants
"Both sides had the chance
"Both sides had the chance to get their views out and campaign. People voted. Their voices were heard."
So if 51% of the public decides something that makes it right? 51% decides to burn witches and homos. We live in a Republic not a "Democracy".
But, you are right. Marraige is simply a agreement between two people.
Personally I think Homosexuality in Most cases is a genetic issue with the purpose of not passing down a potentially defective gene sequence. It is self evident that the family unit of a man and woman is for procreation and raising of children. So that it is a morally neutral question and gays should be allowed to be recognized as "married" by the state, allowed to adopt but not procreate.
But this does not detract from the fact that at the heart of the "issue" is the gay communities dire need to get a stamp of approval by society for their lifestyle. Because if one looks at it they already can through other legal channels achieve all the legal rights and even better of a legal partnership called "marraige" through other means and not mess with the accpeted definition of marraige since the beggining of time.
They are only asking to change the definition of a word since that has been the same since the dawn of mankind... Not a huge request at all.
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All discussion of whether it is right or wrong aside----
My first thought upon hearing of the extent of the protest, and the number of protesters- WHY won't people turn out in the same numbers when their Constitutional rights are violated?!
that was my feeling
that was my feeling exactly.... if only we could people to do that for our cause...
they're complaining about a "right" they don't have, yet they're losing all their basic rights every day.
Ron Paul is a Christian
He can't be for and against homosexuality both; unless he is a hypocrite.
As a Christian we are told there is nothing greater than our belief in God and his commandments. Politics is a distant second. I think we know Ron Paul's stance, and it aligns with The Founding Fathers' stance. They did not believe in God and Sin both either.
The Fathers stated that your Freedom and Liberty was a gift from God--that is the only reason you have it. Thus that Freedom does not inherently incorporate perversion against God.
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
There is more than one
There is more than one strain of Christianity, and there are myriad interpretations of every strain. There is far more disagreement than agreement throughout human history.
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Ron Paul is the type of
Ron Paul is the type of christian we should have more of....leaving judgment to the only one who can judge, otherwise he is a Constitutionalist which means that everyone, by the mere fact that they are individuals, deserves the same Rights and Privileges that everyone else deserves.
Most christians I know are nothing more than Whited Sepulchers, all white on the outside, like the hypocritical Pharisees of old, tending the all the trappings of proper religion while inside they are full of dead men's bones, all manner of corruption, death, unforgiveness, hatefulness, vileness. They hate their neighbor and would rather show the judgment of god instead of the love of christ. I am quite sure that there is a huge stench in the nose of god and it is probably coming from christians in their vile hypocrisy. “Hypocrites!”; “wicked and adulterous generation”; “blind guides”; “fools and blind”; “white-washed tombs”; and “serpents, brood of vipers.” I"m sure he uses the same words for those who like to call themselves by his name today.
You should read the words of Jesus again....he dealt with sinners with far more compassion and love then christians do today...today you shun the person because of sin, Jesus never did.
It is not for you to judge the life of another when you do then you only usurp the role of the judge and in that you have not the right nor the ability.
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Just another example
of how totally brain dead these segments of society can be.
We're the "freedom revolution", and these idiots are the "enslavement revolution".
The lessons of History
Yesterday, I was reading the website called "Restoring the Republic... one Citizen at a time"; there was a legal historic overview of citizenship, the 14th Amendment and "Black Codes".
Immediately following the Civil War Southern States used legislative code enforcements that required former slaves to get licensed for everything from holding a job, marriage, gun ownership, hunting and even to purchase food.
Imagine, people rioting for the privilege of license...
The ultimate revolution, Huxley warned: "There will be in the next generation or so a method of making people love their servitude and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it."
As far as I can tell
the whole debate about gay marriage is they want it recognized in order to be treated the same under "laws" and "taxes." Our taxes should not even be the way they are, they are fighting the wrong angle. The laws, there are ways for gays to get around those.
Agreed...somewhat
In order to benefit from the "laws"...government has to be involved. So the gay agenda is not to keep government "out" of marriage...but for government to "control" marriage (to their benefit of course).
Sure, they could address the issue by attacking our current "tax" system...(and as a result help the heterosexuals as well) but they tend to be more selfishly interested in their "gay rights" and figure they will win easier with the "minority" rights approach...that seems to be the hot topic of today.
Exactly
And the Obamabots that aren't gay were out there in numbers as well just because it was another cause to champion.
They are constantly missing the point.
"It's just one big Club - and WE ain't in it"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
That's really the
That's really the thing..and, in our society, if you are not a "member of the family" there are emergency situations in which you have no standing if u are not married, etc.
here is my question...
what exactly IS marriage? who came up with it, who defined it and who cares? after two divorces and alone time well spent, i finally hooked back up with my best friend and lover (i happen to be "straight") and he asked me to marry him. i said "no" and the reason i said no was and is because i DONT BELIEVE IN MARRIAGE. thats right. when i was finally faced with the real question, i realized that marriage is a man made law, enacted for the good of the coffers of the state, the IRS and the churches. Funny how the older i get, the more i want to be left to my own!! screw marriage. it is but a measure for others to judge if you are a "sinner" or not. I prefer to be an individual in love with an individual!
i feel perfect about this whole situation now, and it is only a situation as on my mamas side of the family, there is a christian sister, a penecostal sister and a catholic sister while my mom is more spiritual. cant wait for thanksgiving!! LOL i am taking my individual lover with me!!
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~peace
Excellent
You hit the issue squarely on the head. I believe that anything we do as humans is a human right as long as it does not harm, infringe on other peoples humans rights, kill, or result in theft from others. But, I do not feel we would want to obtain any of these rights from government because government abuses and gets corrupted. We should have the right to have the ability to survive as humans blah blah blah.
Having said that I will NEVER get married because obtaining a marriage license has become a contract with government. Government gives you the "permission" to marry with the license. This is why in order to end the marriage (contract with the state), a person must end this contract in a court of Maritime law. We are no longer under common law as the Constitution created. We are now under Maritime law that was created in 1873 when the "United States Corporation of America" was formed. I believe 48 of the 50 states are also now corporations that use Maritime law. This is why we are required by the state to obtain permits, licenses, registrations, etc. to practically do everything now a days. They are all contracts with the state.
My reasoning for not marrying is obvious. I do not want to be in a binding contract with any form of government. I have seen time after time good people who are impoverished after divorce court. When I tell my family I will probably never get married they have assumed that I am gay. I am not homosexual but I am heterosexual. If I tried to explain this to them that it is nothing more than a legal decision, they would either think I was a kook, gay, or perhaps a threat since I do not kiss the governments ass like they do.
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Marriage is an economic partnership, almost like a corporation. Your products are children and food. Not too terribly long ago, a successful marriage was based on how many kids came out of it. The more kids, the more workers, more workers more food. More food, more friends, more friends more opportunity to grow the family. That's why arranged marriages have been the norm for most of human history. Each new marriage is a new corporation that can cooperate with the others. Marriage for "love" is a very very new concept. Marriage for money or strategic advantage is a very old one.
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There are 2 kinds of Law
There are 2 kinds of Law practiced in this country concrening marraige. Common Law and Statutory Law. Common Law is the Law of old, it is Law of the Constitution. Statutory Law is law written by the Government. It is a Government Privledge, and comes with strings, as do all privledges. Marriage under Common Law does not require a License. Divorce under Common Law requires that one go to a Court of Common Law. Unfortunately, all the Common Law courts have been closed. So the Government has made provisions in the Statutory Court for disolving Common Law marriages. This is why people of Common Law marriage find themselves in Statutory Courts, following Statutory Law for Divorce. And the only way you can demand a Common Law Court for a Common Law marriage is if you've not entered into Contract with the Statutory Jurisdiction (you've claimed your US citizenship).
The Government likes marriage, if you've noted it is a "manufacturing" contract for future workers. That's why you get a tax deduction for marriage. It is the Government's investment in future tax payers. They know that the tax break they give the parents will be returned in the first several years of tax collection on their new tax payer. This is also the reason the Government is against Gay marriage, it provides a tax deduction for people whom are not able to produce new tax payers.
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It is good to see such
It is good to see such honest and reasonable evaluations of the situation. Some churches forbid birth control for the same reason: Lots of new parishoners and contributors.
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BOHICA!!
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BOHICA!!
Probably one of the anti-Prop-8 protests that were nationwide...
...today. I was at my local one. They're expecting 40K in LA.
The Obamatrons were probably just anciliary.
As for marriage being a right, see Loving v. Virginia.
Gays have the same rights the rest of us
have! The right to marry anyone one of the opposite sex. Instead of fighting for their individual rights ( which they let slip right by them ) they want something that deviates from the norm, hell, they will fight for that. Meanwhile the government steals more of their liberties while they fight for something that is not a right. Whats next man boy love marriage? A fifty year old marrying a ten year old? People hooking up with farm animals? Comeon damit, if you chose the lifestyle, understand that you HAD the same rights everyone else had, so deal with it.
More talking points, I see.
And still all wrong. Minors and animals cannot give legal consent or say "I do."
And if it isn't a right, then why do the courts and the First, Fourth, and Ninth Amendments say otherwise?
If it isn't a right, can we ban opposite-gender marriage too?
If it isn't a right, then is marriage NOT a freedom of association, or religion?
Sorry, that argument is a non-starter.
The government
should not even be involved with marriage. We also shouldn't be taxed for being married. One of the articles about prop 8 complained about following the Constitution. Hello, why should we just follow the Constitution for this. We should already be following the Constitution. I believe if government weren't involved this wouldn't even be an issue.
It was on the ballot here in Florida regarding the definition of
marraige being only between a man and a woman and it passed too!
Obama needs all of the gay people to continue to pay in income taxes at the highest level possible so that he can "Spread the wealth"!
I haven't heard ONE WORD about him repealing the FISA, NAFTA, CAFTA, NAU, Patriot Act, and All the other UNCONSTITUTIONAL CRAP that King George has enacted and has made this country LESS SAFE than EVER before in HISTORY! Obama is some real hot-shot Constitutional lawyer, wonder if he's ever read it?
There was a great article in the Reader's Digest about the large increase in the number of level 3 and 4 labs that handle very dangerous pathogens and viruses and how poorly they are monitored and how easy it would be for a terrorist to obtain chemical weapons from them! REAL NICE! And this is how OUR MONEY is being spent!
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During a fund-raiser in Denver,
Obama — a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School — was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.
“I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution,” said Obama
So what is the theory here ?
He isn't talking about that out in the general public. I haven't heard anything about doing away with the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc., etc, etc. Everything that comes out of his mouth has to do with future plans that are un-constitutional. So is he trying to put the idea out that he is just playing along untill he gets into office to correct everything? The duplicity and questions with Obama increase on a daily basis.