Stoves for cooking and heating

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For those of you out there who have experience with different liquid fuel camp stoves, what would you suggest for families...ie, what make/model, which type of fuel, how much fuel to store, fuel storage containers, additives, etc.

Also, what is best to use with these stoves to provide enough boiled water to rehydrate meals, what sized pot, how long do they take to boil, etc?

Anything you can provide as far as experiences, what you find works, etc. I appreciate it.

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Do they still make the Coleman

camp stove? They work great and are fuel efficient.

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Wood Gas Home Made

Very efficient longer burn for less material you can use twigs and bark and stuff,and clean burning no smoke. They actually extract the hydrogen from the wood or material. They were used during WWII to run vehicles during the gasoline shortages

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wc8aqW4XBs

You can also Google gasifier, and producer gas

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Your coffee can as charcoal

Your coffee can as charcoal chimney idea would work fine as long as you had sufficient venting at both bottom and top. Only problem is that it would probably take a LONG time for a few briquets to get hot enough to boil water.

I have had excellent service from a simple Coleman single-burner stove. They're not as small as many of the more expensive backpackers but they're cheap and moderately efficient. Get a two-burner cooktop and you can easily provide a meal for your family. I have friends who really like their MSR stoves, but the fuel for them is comparatively quite expensive.

I know you're looking for a stove, but I would strongly suggest going out and practicing cooking over a fire and avoiding all the tech- and fuel-dependent stuff. Deadfall wood (or charcoal), rocks, a metal grille, and maybe a piece of sheet metal (lighter) or a small flat slab of granite (cleaner) will give you all you need for pot/pan cooking, baking, roasting, even frying eggs right on the stone. It's fairly easy and quick to build a good fire pit/rock oven combo and cook anything you want on it. I've done this on my camping trips for years - haven't used my trusty Coleman stove at all in several years. Sure, have the higher-tech for ease, but learn the low-tech for real self-dependence.

I am totally comfortable

cooking over a fire, and it would ultimately come down to that. However, short term, think SHTF scenario....having something to fire up, quickly boil water or heat it anyway, and then tear it down without having tons of smoke and the scent of the burning to give away that you A) have wood to burn B) are burning it C)you might have food, etc etc....that is why I'd like a small quick boil type stove to feed the family. Not terribly concerned about the heating aspect of a stove, if we can stay dry all we need are good (rated -20 degrees or so) sleeping bags and we'd be fine.

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Old Fashion

My granny used a pot belly stove that burned coal..wood...whatever burned..it kept her entire house warm...and if she started at 8am a pot of homemade soup was ready by 6pm....she kept the fire low during the day..has no idea how but she even made biscuits on that thing...thinks a few need to learn how the cowboys did it on open fires

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Ok...

The propane looks promising, I'm still on the fence between propane and multifuel...I haven't seen a multifuel camp stove that will burn propane, as well as white gas, butane, unleaded, diesel, etc. Any more help, brand names, etc?

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Here's a multi fuel stove.

This guy seems to have researched the idea quite a bit, and other things survival too:
http://www.endtimesreport.com/BF-2412.html

Multi-fuel is always a good

Multi-fuel is always a good idea. However most multi-fuel devices are proprietary in that they are not linkable to the same fuel system. Personally, because multi-fuel is hard to find I would just get the propane set up and if I happened to find a multi-fuel i'd get that too.

For cooking heating and light your gonna be hard pressed to find multi-fuel to cover all these bases. A good multi-fuel generator is a must have though. You can get conversion kits at a significant cost increase but I think it's better to get one made to be multi-fuel.

Even if you got multi-fuel devices i'd be willing to bet that you would end up putting propane threw it 99% of the time.

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Propane

Propane is easily the most widely used camp fuel. Now when we talk of surviving a depression, a natural disaster, or other displacement and having things around for emergencies we must address conservation in the use of propane. It doesn't serve you to take long periods of time heating water. There are some really high tech cooking systems for expedition camping that is designed to boil water rapidly even at high elevation where boiling water is more difficult. This will help to conserve fuel but some of these systems use butane or other derivative. So look for one that you can use with other heat sources for versatility.

As for a brand of grill. That's almost useless because they all suck in one way or another. I will however suggest that when you go shopping. Think modular. Don't get a BBQ that has this that and the other. Get smaller components that are easy to handle, store, carry... A small two burner cook top and a small grill.

Propane has a lot of versatility. The standard tank can be placed in a base to stabilize it and a post can be attached to it which other hoses can be hooked up and you can run a lantern, your grill , your stove, a catalytic heater or two and a bug zapper if your heart desires.

Also, if you get the lantern make sure to get spare parts for the lantern like the little felt that's inside it and don't let this be your only light source. Use it sparingly get some hand crank lights and/or solar rechargeable lights as your primary source lights and a headlamp for personal use.

Battery operated stuff is okay if you have a way to recharge it. A small cheap solar panel would be enough to recharge batteries for small devices.

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"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."

Propane

Would give you the most options in size, you can get camp stoves that run off of lantern canisters, or 20lb,30lb,40lb,100lb and up tanks.
If you have the room you can buy a cheap propane stove for 200-300 bucks, the old kind with a pilot light that way you could bake and have the cook top. Or just a table top single or double burner one.

If you can & have room you can get a stand along tank up to 500 gallons(4.2lbs or so per gallon), and there are tanks made to be buried if your concerned about zoning or theft.

For the small tanks, you can exchange them, or more economically have them refilled. I refill them at my store, a lot of rental yards, and feed stores fill them. Right now it is about 17.60 for me to refill a 20lb tank(about 5 gallons).

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Intense flame and uses dry twigs

Rocket stoves use twigs to cook food quickly, efficiently
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/26/rocket-stoves-use-tw.html

Google "rocket stove" for more
Easy diy and very low cost ( less than $20)
Handy anywhere
And it works.

Free air, free oxygen, free fire = free energy = delicious natural meals
Happy cooking

Sweet...

...I nearly got there with my own little brain!! I was thinking about the most efficient way to cook using the least amount of fuel, maybe burying to direct all of the heat at the pot bottom. Cool design. This might be what I need to do to cook using only 2 or 3 charcoal briquettes at a time.

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When I was over in Iraq..

...I had a Coleman 1 burner that ran on most any flamable liquid. all the troops that brought propane stoves were SOL.

yep this is the best way to

yep this is the best way to go.... get the multy fuel use ones..

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propane.

is my choice. I bought a propane camping stove and 4 bottles of propane [the big ones, like for an RV or outdoor grill] and a hose to run them. got a coffee pot that will fit the stove too. you can run these devices off of a big propane tank if you know how to use a flareing tool and have some copper pipe. the pressure coming off the regulator is really not very high.[11 in wc] [less than 1/2 a PSI] it is a good and plentifull fuel.

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Anyone use the multifuel stoves?

I've seen a few that will burn unleaded, white gas, kerosene and diesel. Anyone?

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Multi Fuel Stoves & Lanterns

Check out Britelyt Petromax Lanterns (with ez-cook top), and Britelyt stoves. Both are multifuel, and can burn just about anything flammable.

http://britelyt.groupee.net/stoves.htm

PS. The lanterns are top notch (very bright), and they also have a heating adapter you can add to convert the lantern into a heater.

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this because I have been wondering the same thing.

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Look into "wood

Look into "wood gasification" stoves, or sometimes called "wood gas" stoves. There's tons of information to be found on google and youtube. These stoves can be easily built DIY and are popular in countries where people are still self-reliant. (sometimes referred to as "3rd world" countries)
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Has anyone tried buiding

Has anyone tried buiding solar ovens?

I haven't, but what I've read is intriguing.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/radabaugh30.html

http://www.solarcooking.org/plans/

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I've been pretty curious to

I've been pretty curious to try one out. I read about one that bragged about how easy it was to cook a turkey.

"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."

I Built One of Those "Backwoods Home" kind.

Cheap, Easy and it worked pretty good.
Lightweight and easy to store.
I put in a few black painted bricks to help hold heat.
Boiled some water, made some rice, cooked some fishsticks,
took temperature measurements, then folded it up and put it in the garage for "later".
I had to readjust it to the sun every 15 minutes or so.
You could scale it up pretty easy with some refrigerator boxes. ;-)
Or make it out of sheet metal for durability?

I lean toward sheet metal

I lean toward sheet metal with a glass box in the middle, but it's way down my list of things to build.

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Parabolic...

Depending upon your latitude, you may not have great results with a box oven.
Parabolas are much more focused and intense heat can be generated.
The govt. has cracked down on the sale of parabolic mirrors because they can be deadly in the wrong hands.
I made an acceptable cooker from a five dollar umbrella and a three dollar 'space' blanket.
I plan to make a bigger one, but I can wait until the sun is more reliable next spring.

Many of the newer wood heating stoves

have part of their surface that can be used for cooking. A barbecue with a side burner can be used outside.
Our pioneer forefathers (and foremothers) cooked meals in a dutch oven in a hole in the ground, and dutch ovens can also be used on top of the ground using barbecue briquets on top.

Cool...

...I should have been more specific....I was really thinking about portable liquid fueled camp stoves, but it is good to cover all of the angles.

Something else I was thinking about is how small of a "stove" you could make from a coffee can to use as a charcoal chimney or something to conserve charcoal or wood while efficiently burning enough to boil a pot of water. Maybe using a hole dug in the ground lined with rocks, or a metal can to keep heat from escaping while directing it straight up at the bottom of the pot you are using to cook/boil water?

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Toilet Paper in a Can Stove

I saw one of these on the web somewhere once.
Stuff a roll of toilet paper in a can, soak it with kerosene? or something, put a grille on it and cook away. (better look it up first.)