***A New Political Party Is Needed***
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Set aside any Obama euphoria you feel. The other important news is that third-party presidential candidates had a miserable showing this year, totaling just over one percent of the grand total with 1.5 million votes nationwide, compared to some 123 million votes for Barack Obama and John McCain.
It couldn’t be clearer that Americans are not willing to voice their political discontent by voting for third-party presidential candidates. The two-party duopoly and plutocracy is completely dominant. The US lacks the political competition that exists in other western democracies. Without real political competition there is insufficient political choice.
A key problem is that for many years, third parties have not offered presidential candidates that capture the attention and commitment of even a modest fraction of Americans, unlike Ross Perot (8.4 percent in 1996 and 18.9 percent in 1992), and John Anderson (6.6 percent in 1980).
This year, among the four most significant third-party presidential candidates, Ralph Nader without a national party did the best with 685,426 votes or 0.54 percent of the grand total (a little better than in 2004 with 0.4 percent but much worse than in 2000 running as a Green Party candidate with 2.7 percent). He was followed by Bob Barr the Libertarian Party candidate with 503,981 votes or 0.4 percent of the total (typical of all Libertarian candidates in recent elections, including Ron Paul in 1988), followed by Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party with just 181,266 votes or 0.1 percent, and then Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party with only 148,546 votes or 0.1 percent.
Showing the problem of ballot access, engineered by the two major parties, is that there were only 15 states where all four were on the ballot. In all but one, Nader received more votes than the other three third-party candidates. In four states only one of the four candidates was on the ballot; in one state none of them were (Oklahoma).
Nader’s best state was California with 81,434 votes, as it was for McKinney’s with 28,624 votes. Baldwin was not on the ballot there. Alan Keyes received 30,787 votes in California. Barr’s best state was Texas with 56,398 votes. None of the other three were on the ballot there. In his home state of Georgia where he had been a Representative Barr received 28,420 votes (and none of the other three were on the ballot). Baldwin’s best state was Michigan with 14, 973 votes. Nader was not on the ballot there.
In round numbers, Barack Obama raised $639 million or about $10 per vote, and John McCain raised $360 million or $6 per vote, compared to Ralph Nader with $4 million and $6 per vote, Bob Barr with about $1 million or $2 per vote, and Cynthia McKinney with only about $118,000 or less than $1 per vote. Money matters, but the ability of the two-party duopoly to keep third-party presidential candidates out of nationally televised debates matters more for media attention, money and votes.
It must also be noted that there were countless congressional races with third-party and independent candidates, but none were able to win office, with only a very few reaching the 20 percent level. That third-party candidates can win local government offices means little because political party affiliation at that level is overshadowed by personal qualifications.
I say that current third-party activists should admit defeat, shut down their unsuccessful parties, and move on. Unlike so much of American history, current third-parties no longer play a significant role in American politics or even in affecting public policies. They have shown their inability to matter.
We need a new, vibrant political party that could bring many millions of American dissidents, progressives and conservatives, and especially chronic non-voters, together behind a relatively simple party platform focused on structural, government system reforms (not merely political change). Examples include: replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote for president, restoring the balance between Congress and the presidency, eliminating the corrupting influence of special interest money from politics, preventing the president to use signing statements to nullify laws passed by Congress.
What would unite people is a shared priority for revitalizing American democracy. It should position itself as a populist alternative and opponent to the two-party plutocracy. It should define itself as against the corporate and other special interests on the left and right that use money to corrupt our political system. Possible names: Patriotic Party, United Party or National Party. With Thomas Jefferson as its spiritual founder it should seek the political revolution he said was needed periodically.
Here is what helps. Despite considerable enthusiasm for Barack Obama, there is widespread unhappiness with both the Democratic and Republican Parties. One indication is that so voters register as independents. Plus there has always been a chorus of negative views about the two-party system. In one pragmatic sense this is the ideal time to create a new party. Why? Because of the incredible loss of stature of the Republican Party. Why not envision a new party that could replace the Republican Party on the national stage and provide a sharp alternative to the Democratic Party? In other words, we don’t need a new third party as much as we need a new major party.





















Posted by Felegund; and I
Posted by Felegund; and I dont feel like signing up over at C4L.
"Yes, it's tru that we shook up the GOP a bit this year. And that with little funding and only a handful of members. But the fact that they broke the rules so easily just shows that the party kingpins will do whatever it takes to keep their interests running, EVEN IF a true conservative is nominated.
Short of putting together a campaign fundraiser to buy up NBC or CNN or some other station, it's not likely that we can break the media/party dictatorship from the inside.
From a military viewpoint, this is when you're supposed to blitz. Hit so fast and so hard, noone in charge can figure out how to respond. We have to be ready, in 2010, under the guise of a new party, to throw so much weight behind our cause that our opponents cannot stop us, and convince the people that LIBERTY is the answer, not BIG GOVERNMENT.
No, the CP and LP are not the best answers. But we can build a new party that properly captures the spirit of the movement, and establish it faster."
New party??!?!?, are you people for real? Of the 99% of the people that voted about half of them are supposedly your base and they validated the system and the party. Where the hell were the millions of you voting for Baldwin? Face it, you have an over inflated sense of your support and backers, evident by that atrocious showing on the votes. Any "grassroots" effort to build a new party will be... Slow, if you go by the votes the most you'll have at startup if they follow suite is what 200k, and thats the most. You'll then face an uphill challenge when the party(I mean the duopoly) wage war against you through ad campaigns, rumor smears(this is private word of mouth), news smears(this is public news hit pieces on your leaders and members) and infiltration. You cant reach the majority of the sheople and will be relegated to 3rd party status, we all know how that works out. Sure you guys were energetic and enthusiastic but you just dont have the numbers and the people you hope to effect are set and institutionalized in their ways for the rest of their miserable lives. It turns out the majority of people are easily programed and follow the status quo. You minority of energetic and resourceful people should be like water and take the path of lest resistance, exploit those sheople, their just there to be sheared, thats what their good for.
You people need to get away from the idea that theres hope, time and time again its demonstrated that the system is bought and payed for and works for their benefit first and foremost above everyone else. Your either locked out of power, or locked up for resisting it. The writing is on the wall, these people arent going away, they are in it for the long haul, forever. This isnt the NEW world order, its the same OLD world order thats been around since its inception. This old world order was only thrown off ONCE at a time when there was enough distance from the power to foment dissent and which restricted the power of that order from being used to its fullest. In our day and age their is no space far enough away from them to build a force against them, they are HERE amongst us everywhere and in everything. It is a hopeless battle that if you engage in know its pointless or suicidal. The BEST one can hope for is to live your life with as little interaction with the unlawful government as possible.
Its time to turtle up, and when they come for you thats when it will get ugly because every attempt will be a fight for them.
You people, you people, you
You people, you people, you people. "You people just don't get it."
What a waste of verbiage, and a waste of electrons being posted here. Sunshine soldiers, there's the door. Buzz off; your posts are wasting valuable space.
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agreed.
agreed.
How about all third parties pool thier resources?
Hell the Republicrats support each other and so should we. Form a consortium that links all 3rd parties and has a primary election so that all once agreed all would back it's winner through November?
What do you think?
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Now there is an idea!!!
Draw it up, spread it around, keep it going and don't let it die.
We need to bypass the party system entirely
Readin through the Consitution, it's specifically orchestrated to be a platform for citizen government - not party government. It's not supposed to be a party system, it's supposed to be about individual leadership qualities.
The way to fix that is money. Pure and simple. That's why the two major parties get the votes - they own the entire voting process from top to bottom and they do that through money. What I'd like to see is a specific monetary limit set on campaign funding. It shouldn't be about how much cash is spent on a campaign, it should be about the content of the campaign and the character and values of the candidate. Why not set up a level playing field, where ballot access rules apply, all corporate and special interest donations are illegal - only individual, private donations allowed - and only up to a certain limit? It's absurd the amount of money that is spent on the election cycle.
I'm curious to know if this is where other people would lean. If so, then the only way to do it would be take the voting process back to its roots. It would mean educating people through the precinct leader program until we had enough informed citizens to push through some true, r3volutionary election reform. It doesn't require something new - it's requires a return to the bedrock principles of the Founders with provisions put in place to ensure that the true spirit of the citizen-leader is upheld.
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
I think
Dr. Paul will go Republican Party and I hope he will announce and campaign with his vice president choice right from the beginning. Then I hope Libertarian Party more closely works with him to have a candidate that works for him and then runs afterwards with his endorsement right from the moment that he doesn't win the Republican nomination, if he doesn't. So they totally back each other up. Then I think we should reach out really hard to the other third parties to join together as the only third candidate. If it is possible to get in all 50 states, that has to be done. If it is not possible, then it needs to be worked out some way legally so that somehow that third party candidate is on all 50 states. But the third party candidate should support Dr. Paul and vote for him and support him through the primary. I know the actual candidate cannot vote for him in the primary if they are running in any other party. But the voters can. And I think we need to get tv come hell or high water. We have to have some tv and we have to have a determination to WIN. If not Libertarian party then Independent, but someone Dr. Paul can totally throw the ball back to to carry it over the finish line.
IF WE MOVE TO IOWA AND NH
we will win.
60000 folks moving to those two states will do it for Ron to win.
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Got any
other ideas?? Could we maybe win some other way? I really think the reason third parties did so badly this year is because the two parties had such polarizing candidates. We have to be really ready and in the know well before the primaries. We were still desprately learning about electorial votes, etc. and conventions, what third parties could and could not do, etc. We were way unprepared. Teaching us probably added 10 years of aging onto some determined patriots. Bless their hearts. Some have really fought the good fight. We have to throw the ball to a great third party candidate in the event we don't make it in the Republican Party. Actually not we, but our candidate needs to throw that ball and get behind a great third party candidate and push it hard, campaign with and for him.
If they'd had strong
If they'd had strong candidates and a strong platform, it would have helped the Third Parties immensely.
I think the world of Chuck Baldwin, and may vote for him again, but he was a virtual unknown, plus the Constitution Party platform drove away libertarians. Plus he had zero experience in government, which wiped out his advantages of being handsome and a good public speaker.
History has shown that the public will not elect people Presidentwithout experience in government ---unless they are Generals. This affected Ralph Nader as well, who is a famous lobbyist, but not an ex-Governor, General, or Senator.
Bob Barr, conversely, benefited from having political experience, although his egotism and lack of charisma still kept him under one percent.
In addition to all this, I do feel Diebold votes are not counted, generally speaking. Any future third party movement needs to have its followers take a "Paper Ballot Pledge".
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great points
also the Baldwin campaign staff where lacking experience and it showed in brutal fundraising effort...
we need perhaps a star well known popular name/s
Jesse Ventura and Lou Dobbs come to mind
Jesse has experience in governing and knows how to win a campaign
and the thing is that next time there has to be more of an effort to campaign on the ground in Iowa for example have a "freedom bus" and go from town to town and not just sit in Congress...
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Mel Gibson's net worth is
Mel Gibson's net worth is around $850 million.
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passion of Christ movie he directed was great
he is smart but MSM tends to put him down after that famous incident.
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I have given this
some thought. I think starting over from scratch would be extremely difficult. Right now the current third parties are in place and in most of the states. What we need to do is get one of the third parties to take on Dr. Paul's platform who ever is willing to go with his platform and message. I will work very hard for them and donate. If we were to go shopping for a third party in mass and whichever party steps up we could try and get them in every state and start getting candidates lined up and promoted to 2010. If we started PR and sound bites now by 2010 our candidate and party would be in a good position to be heard.
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so perhaps Libertarian Party
with Ron Paul and say Naomi Wolf as new leaders?
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Do you think an alliance
Do you think an alliance would be a good idea? You know, keeping the current third parties but running under the same banner? Maybe we could go state to state and look at which party has the most support.
YES
an alliance. Best idea yet. Go for it defe07.
coalition for 2010 Congress elections
is a good idea
after that we will see
perhaps a strong one united party can emerge out of the suffering of the new depression....
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I like the name Coalition 4
I like the name Coalition 4 Liberty. We'd keep the well-known C4L from Campaign 4 Liberty. That way, we don't have to waste unnecessary money on getting new apparel. Plus, maybe we can have T-shirts that say Campaign 4 Liberty on one side and Coalition 4 Liberty on the other side.
terrific idea
Love that name the sound of it
Coalition 4 Liberty
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I agree that we need a new
I agree that we need a new party to compete against the duopoly. There are some points I'd like to point out. We all know that money, ballot access and media coverage are all of the essence. Dr. Paul has proposed a ballot access bill to Congress called the Voter's Freedom Act. It consists of lowering the state's signatures to 1,000 signatures, unless it's less than 1,000 signatures. We need to contact the representatives in DC. We also know that the duopoly uses our taxpayer money to fund their conventions (about $60 million a piece) and we could propose something like letting all taxpayers decide how much money to give to parties, whether it's one or many (as you might recall, taxpayers can choose to give $3 of their money to parties). I'm starting my own website soon that's going to be dedicated to electoral reform and third party/independent candidates.
terrific points
I think the most important would be to get us access to debates.
Jesse Ventura won the governor race mainly because he was allowed into the debates there.
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The name is unimportant.
The name is unimportant. Aside from what it stands for, the only thing that matters, in the case of a new Third Party, is what presidential candidate the party runs in the future. That's the only thing the public will pay any attention to, and his words are the only thing that will carry any weight initially. The standard bearer calls the tune.
Personally I think we should put off starting a new party a few months, until it's clear whether or not Ron Paul will run again.
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agreed
Perhaps this time around Ron will run on LP ticket from the start and say coopt Jesse Ventura?...I think fundraising would not be a problem.
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good party platform ideas,
but how does this avoid the 3rd Party hurdles you mention?
I am not the author of this article
but felt its very important for us here to read it and exchange some ideas...
Personally I think we should get Jesse Ventura to be the leader of LP and with his name recognition we would have a chance in 2012.
Creating a new party~uniting the existing 3rd parties into one is I think an interesting and appealing idea.
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Any third party, be it a new
Any third party, be it a new one or an old one, needs a mountain of money to compete. The hurdles are not insurmountable in that case. But it isn't doable without money.
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a few money bombs
I think 200000 donors gave the total of 35 million $ so I am sure we can do even better next time around say with double the number of donors.
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I would think it would
I would think it would require at least $100 million to break out of the single digit percentages. A half-dozen donors, in the form of very rich libertarians, might not be a bad thing to look for.
The easier alternative would be to just go back to the Libertarian Party and find a good candidate after the Barr mess--or go to the Constitution Party and write a good platform.
Personally, after all I've said about Third Parties, I'm waiting to see what Ron Paul plans to do first.
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another idea
how about a billionaire to run on the freedom ticket?
if we could find him out there...
Ron Paul/Bill Gates 2012?
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