New PBS series exposes Old Testament fairy tales
Bill Maher, on HBO's "Real Time With Bill Maher," frequently refers to the Old Testament of the Bible as the Book of Jewish Fairy Tales. The description might anger the pious and the fundamentalists, but guess what? Maher's close to the truth.
A visually stunning two-hour special edition of "Nova" examines decades of archaeological studies that contradict much of what is in the Bible. The entire Exodus story is debunked, as is the idea that the Israelites were monotheistic following the contract made between God and Abraham. It turns out idol worship was common through the reign of King David and right up to the Babylonian exile.
Is the Bible the word of God? Only if God dictated it to dozens, maybe hundreds, of different writers, each of whom wrote and modified stories using different patterns of language over a period of centuries.
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The title, the topic and this thread...
is divisive to us. Don't do this.
All I see here is more TV Kool-Aid drinking
If you're perhaps bright enough to even be looking at a pro Ron Paul blog site then why on earth are you getting supposed defacto debunking of the very Bible Ron Paul himself believes in from a PBS show?
If you can let Maher and PBS sway you that easily you may want to start chugging that kool-aid and pass out soon buddy.
Better yet, don't do that. Decide from your own hard work and research whether the words of the Torah of YHWH are true or not. I guarantee you'll be VERY surprised at what you find out.
Try the Walk in the Light books for a start.
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May I suggest
spending some time doing your own independent research on the Bible.
Don't let yourself be spoon fed. Examine different viewpoints. There are tons of good sites out there. then make up your own mind.
I have noticed a well placed and defined agenda popping up to discredit Christianity. I will be following some interesting political viewpoint and there it will be, that kind but authoritative voice telling the viewer or the reader that of course the Bible is just a story. Don't even think about it.
I did alot of research because I felt compelled to learn the truth. My self from back then would never believe that I would and did find the Lord Jesus Christ my Saviour, that he found me, and he has wiped every doubt from my skeptical mind.
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For so many at DP who see
For so many at DP who see and know the lies and deception of MSM.... why of all media would PBS get a pass?
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"There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of Old Testament tradition."[1] William F. Albright (1891–1971), one of the world's most respected archaeologists.
"It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a biblical reference." [2] Nelson Glueck, Jewish archaeologist honored even by liberal Time Magazine. (See picture above)
continue ..........
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/archeology.htm
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They shred Cheney & Bush
That gives them a bit of credibility in my book.
Hmmm
will they shred Obama-Biden-Clinton just as well? Somehow I HIGHLY doubt it.
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We are about to go into a MASSIVE world wide depression
and you want to debate the old testament?!?
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one of the reasons we are
one of the reasons we are going into it is because people ignore the bible...
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I don't want to debate
This thread was started and a number of responses were made by people who had not seen the documentary. I simply wanted to offer people the place to see it for themselves. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bible/program.html
Personally, I see a lot of parallels to today's world in various periods of history.
I find it interesting that the archaeological evidence points to an economic collapse as the direct cause of the creation of monotheism that is the heart of today's three major religions.
It is also interesting to note that today's most dangerous region is the region covered in that documentary. That region may thrust itself in a very real way into our present day world that could have a more profound effect on the globe than even a massive economic meltdown.
To understand the history of that region, and our world, is something I feel has value no matter the current economic climate.
I, for one, like to educate myself on a variety of topics. The history of humanity, no matter the time or place, is of great interest to me. I feel that to understand the past helps us understand ourselves. To see the outcomes of various periods of history may help predict the outcomes of current events.
I learned some things in that documentary. I am glad I took the initiative to find it and watch it.
well stated
We share common interests. I am just shocked at how often I am shocked. Learning (whether it's good info or bad) leads to questions. It's an endless search for truth, really.
I used to think (and still do to a point) that the Latter Day Saints religion all came down to whether Joseph Smith could really read stones. I boiled it down to that one point. Millions of people that are LDS members don't seem to ask that question. Could he read the stones? What was he like and what were his habits like before this event? I believe a variation of this question is pertinent in all religions. I just want to explore it from all angles, with an open mind.
Can I find the documentary online?
LOL, yes
That's the link in my two posts!
Here it is again... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bible/program.html
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Watch it here before making comments about it
I'm not going to make a statement about the Nova episode, other than to say to see it for yourselves before making comments.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bible/program.html
I will say I found something interesting in Chapter 6.
They spread the word to the highlanders, who themselves, perhaps, had escaped from the tyranny of the Canaanite city-states. They spread the idea of a god who represented freedom, freedom for people to keep the fruits of their own labor. This was a message that was so powerful that it brought people together and gave them a new kind of identity.
The identity of "Israelites." They are a combination of disenfranchised Canaanites, runaway slaves from Egypt and even nomads, settling down. The Bible calls them a "mixed multitude."
According to the Hebrew Bible, early Israel is a motley crew. And we know that's the case, now. But these people are bound together by a new vision, and I think the revolutionary spirit is probably there from the beginning.
A motley crew of freedom loving revolutionaries? Sounds like Ron Paul supporters!
Exodus has been proven fact!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33168
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PBS is Religious Programming
Any new age nutter with their own fairy tales gets center stage and even the opportunity to sell books and tapes under the guise of "fund raising" on PBS.
Oh yeah, they are also one of the biggest proponents of Globalism on the tube, a government-funded mess of a televison station.
No fairy tales from their favorites:
Deepak Chopra
Marianne Williamson
Dr. Wayne Dyer
Its creepy when the gov't runs their own religious programming, its even creepier when the sheeple buy into it.
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My reasoning sounds pretty reasonable to me.
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And lies don't become truth
And lies don't become truth after you kill the opposition.
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nice!
Since when is everything PBS say the truth?
If they ignore Ron Paul or give a false spin to it, is that also the truth, do they "expose" Ron Paul then?
Also, do you really want to say Bill Maher is the first person with this description? Common man, you gotta be more educated than this. Maher is so overblown and overrated.
Some say there is word of God and word of man in the Old Testament. It should be noted to Christians - I am also one, studied Theology - that there is a discrepancy between the Old and New Testament as well. IMHO the Old Testament is about the word of God in man's language and there are different perspectives, which enrich the message, not water it down. The Bible is NOT a scientific or historical book in the first sense, it deals with belief in God in history. The Old Testament is especially directed at Jews, but both Christianity and Muslims all accept the Old Testament.
You omitted the last sentence among other: "Then again, science and religion have had a long history of conflict until, ultimately, the former prevails".
If science would always win and reject Genesis and the idea of "creatio ex nihilo" by God, tell me how does science explain the origin of the world? The "big bang"? Common, that cannot be explained scientifically at all, regardless how old you think the earth is, it is reconstructions...
The beauty of science is
The beauty of science is that it offers the most up to date explanation for the things we cannot fully understand. When the time comes that we learn more through observation (scientific method) then our hypothesis changes. If you dont believe in big bang, then go out there, disprove it scientifically, and find another theory.
But to say that there isnt proof that big bang happened, but there IS proof that God's Creation happened, is absolutely insane.
You cannot scientifically
proof that God created the earth. You also cannot proof the big bang: it is an assumption, reconstruction etc. And if the "creator" of the big-bang was not God, where did it originate from then?
The issue is not everything in life can be scientifically proven and not only that that is scientifically proven is the truth. How do you explain love between a couple. You surely cannot proof this scienfically. Does this mean the couple does not love each other as their love cannot be scienfically proven and thus not "truthful". I would say it is insane to even think about trying to scientifically proof "love" or any emotion. You should read Aristotle and his meaning of "phronesis"....
And I also have to point out there are differences in scientific theory and methodology: falsification (Popper) or verification (Kuhn) etc.
We cannot say how creation happened, but we can see and experience the results of the creation.
The goal of science
The goal of science isnt to necessarily prove things, although it has alot to do with it. Science, all forms, attempts to explain things. You cannot prove that God created the earth, because there is no proof that God exists. I cannot prove that the big bang occurred either, but I can extrapolate known laws and thus-far solid theories and, using observations, make a hypothesis. Yes, it takes faith to believe that the big bang occurs, but at least in doing so it is only have extensive experiments, calculations, etc, et. al. By saying that God did it, you are performing any tests, proofs, whatever. You are simply reading an old book, and making a claim.
Love can, and has been, explained by psychology and philosophy. And even if science cannot explain 'love' to the fullest, there is always the possibility of future explanation because the scientist can experience love themselves, they can observe and interview people who are in love, and can view the effects of love. You cannot do those things with God or unicorns or fairies.
Can you scientifically proof
that God does not exist? We experience God as love etc. Bill Maher is not an atheist, he is an apeiatheist and leaves open the possibility that God can exist.
There are limits to what scientists can explain and there are always things you have to accept as a given.
Scientists also make claims that are refuted by other scientists. How shortsighted and narrow-minded the scientist that only believe that that he/she can explain as real. Yes you can see the effects of love of God as well...scientist or non-scientist.
Two quick points.
1. The Big Bang Theory is nothing more than a theory, and I invite those who claim such things are "scientific fact" to build a spaceship that exceeds the speed of light, so they can show all of us the evidence up close.
2. If the Big Bang Theory were correct, in line with an expanding universe and cosmos, in no way, shape, or form does that contradict the idea of God.
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The scientific use of the word "theory" and the common use
are not the same thing. They have different meanings.
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Theory
–noun,.
1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
"scientific theory is understood to be a testable model capable of predicting future occurrences or observations and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation."
Theory of Evolution....Theory of Big Bang....Theory of Relativity...Theory of Gravity.
You 2) point tip toes around the issue. You are trying to reconcile the truth, or what is most likely the truth, with your own beliefs. You are right. It is possible that God caused the Big Bang (which is what I assume you were getting at), but there is no proof of that.
So true Cameron
"The beauty of science is that it offers the most up to date explanation for the things we cannot fully understand".....like global warming, advanced crops, 9-11 occurrences, aliens, diseases, vaccinations, A-bombs -chemtrails, etc. etc.
Hurrah for Science - Savior of us all ! ! ! !
Apparently
the scientific community does not speak with one voice, for instance with 9-11.
Can scientific theory explain "blowback"..hmm I don't think so...
So you see science as the new savior. How do you worship your "god" and how does it save us?
Science
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1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
I dont worship science. Science is merely a tool for better understanding. I depend on my eyes, ears, noses, fingers, and tongue to tell me about the world around me, but I don't worship my senses.
I would venture to say that 99% of the scientific community speaks in one voice on 9/11, although I see no reason for them to get together and debate it...because the truth is pretty obvious.
And yes, science can explain blowback. Ever heard of social sciences? Political science, the study of history, economics, sociology.