Does Same-Sex 'Marriage' Affect My Marriage?
Does Same-Sex 'Marriage' Affect My Marriage?
by Bruce Hausknecht, judicial analyst
Let me count the ways.
How many times since the enlightened four-justice majority of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court judicially decreed same-sex "marriage" in 2003 have we heard the activists' challenge: "How does my same-sex 'marriage' affect your heterosexual marriage?" It was intended to be an argument-stopper. The rhetorical question to end all rhetorical questions. Traditional marriage supporters and people of faith offered reasoned answers at the time, only to be sneered at as delusional.
Well, with the benefit of the passage of time, we now know. Real-life examples support our arguments concerning the effect of the homosexual agenda on marriage and families. And the following four, which are representative of similar developments all over the legal and governmental realms, illustrate unacceptable obstacles to getting married, raising kids, going to church, and running a business.
The "bride" and "groom" may now exit stage left. Enter "Party A" and "Party B."
The California marriage license of newlyweds Rachel Bird and Gideon Codding was rejected by a county clerk because they inserted the words "bride" and "groom" to replace "Party A" and Party B."
The May decision by the California Supreme Court redefining marriage to include same-sex pairings effectively deleted "bride" and "groom" from the state's lexicon, demeaning heterosexual couples who recognize marriage as a traditional celebration of the natural and unique differences of male and female.
The Coddings felt strongly against having their marriage reduced to a genderless contract, but their strong feelings would also have meant no entitlement to state marital benefits if they refused to play by the new politically correct rules.
After several weeks of press reports, and a lawsuit filed by the Coddings, California announced on Oct. 3 that it will back down on the "Party A/Party B" requirement and apparently will allow newlyweds the "option" of using "bride" and "groom." The state reports it has received numerous "inquiries" on the subject, which undoubtedly translates to outraged complaints from folks like the Coddings. This dispute, however, highlights the coming battle over words the government will require us to use to describe the "brave new world" of same-sex "marriage."
A church that holds a biblically orthodox view of marriage and sexuality could lose its tax-exempt status as a result of the recognition of special rights for one sexual behavior.
The Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association, a New Jersey United Methodist organization, lost part of its property tax-exemption for refusing to allow a same-sex civil union ceremony to be conducted on its property. Additionally, it is being investigated and charged with violating the state's nondiscrimination statutes. The church is still locked in litigation. And if you thought statutory "religious exemptions" would protect churches, forget it. New Jersey has one, and it hasn't stopped the government persecution of this church.
Parents are losing the right to oversee/direct the sexual education of their children in states like Massachusetts, where same-sex "marriage" is recognized as the moral equivalent to natural marriage.
The Parker and Wirthlin families in Massachusetts lost a federal lawsuit in 2008 when they asked to be informed when the teacher was going to address issues of sex and family. They were rudely informed by not one but two federal courts that any parental rights stopped at the schoolhouse door. Their right to control their children's moral upbringing did not supersede the homosexual agenda in Massachusetts. In the words of the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals: "Given that Massachusetts has recognized gay marriage under its state constitution, it is entirely rational for its schools to educate their students regarding that recognition."
The two children involved in the suit attended kindergarten and first grade. The gist of the state's argument, with which the court agreed, is that the earlier the state can indoctrinate our kids, the less likely that the values (the court called them "attitudes and stereotypes" of course) taught at home can corrupt them. Think about that for a moment.
To add insult to injury, the U.S. Supreme Court just this week refused to hear an appeal by the parents in the case.
Small-business owners cannot operate without agreeing to compromise their deeply held biblical beliefs.
Jon and Elaine Huguenin are a Christian couple who run a small photography studio in Albuquerque, N.M. They declined a request to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony, based on their religious beliefs about the nature of marriage, and were fined $6,600 by the New Mexico Human Rights Commission. The commission refused to even consider the couple's First Amendment arguments.
Mere monetary fines may be passé, however, when it comes to enforcing the new order. In Colorado, a new law known as SB 200 goes a step further and specifies jail time as an additional punishment for religiously minded business owners taking a similar conscience-based position.
It's pretty obvious by now that the old "how will my same-sex 'marriage' harm yours?" canard was more of an illusionist's hand-waving distraction than a serious debating point.
It bought homosexual activists some time, but now the evidence is clear. There is no aspect of family life that is not detrimentally impacted by a state-sanctioned homosexual agenda that is fundamentally at odds with the biblical view of marriage and sexuality.
This part of the culture war is a zero-sum game. Every time the homosexual agenda advances, religious freedom, marriage and family take a hit.





















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"The Coddings felt strongly against having their marriage reduced to a genderless contract, but their strong feelings would also have meant no entitlement to state marital benefits if they refused to play by the new politically correct rules"
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The Ocean Grove Camp meeting association thing is funny. I didn't know they were tax exempt.
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that's why marriage shouldn't be apart government and left mostly to private citizens or peoples personal religions to decide the validity of their marriage. Government is not God.
Dont blame gays
Part of the reason I got really excited about Ron Paul was that he showed us a way to sidestep the "culture war" that we are so easily divided by in our two-party system. That was the enlightened message that government doesn't run anyone's lives.
Your examples are good arguments, but not against gay marriage. They are arguments for why the government needs to stay out of people's affairs and that includes defining marriage one way or another for an entire nation of people. Marriage IS nothing more than a legal contract to the state and that is how it should be, party A and party B. You, your spouse and your personal beilefs turn it into something to be cherished. Gay people want nothing less than you.
I agree, the state, under the constitution, has no right to teach your children something you don't want them to learn, no right to force a church to preach something they don't believe and no right to force a business to accept a customer. But these are not "gay" issues, they are unconstitutional issues and should be treated as such. Don't blame gay people.
It isn't a condemnation of the people
It is a frank assessment of the agenda that some of them have. It is as aggressive, as hostile, and as destructive an invasion by an alien race. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for "live and let live", just leave society intact. Whoever says that it isn't consistent with his "lifestyle" to allow traditional norms to exist, he is declaring war on the family. And we need to call it what it is.
Marriage is not a contract with the state, it is a covenant with God.
I have known some of the most genuinely kind and decent people who weren't straight. But we all have our faults, and I'm sorry, it is wrong to go in that direction. I stand behind your right to do as you decide in private, but public recognition of your deviance is an assault on virtue.
You may see marriage as a
You may see marriage as a covenant with God, but there are other Americans who see it as a social contract, others a public expression of their love to their spouse or a promise of fidelity and commitment. Some see it as a pre-arranged agreement between two families or a political or financial merger. There are some citizens who do not believe in God and would also not agree with your definition as well.
There is one issue on the table. Should gays be treated equally, without bias, to lawfully be joined by the state? The state is not a religious institution, nor is it an enforcer of morality (at least not according to our constitution), it is a system of laws. Hence, a marriage certificate, issued by the state IS a legal document with legal rights given to both parties involved. Plus, we have churches and temples who marry gay couples every year and obviously do not believe that their "deviance is an assault on virtue", otherwise they would not do it. And their marriage is very much a public recognition of their love. Not everyone agrees with your assessment of their threat to society.
Since this is an RP forum, I would challenge you to find a constitutional justification for restricting gays from being married, or where marriage is even mentioned in it. Again, I stand with you in opposition to some of the examples that you listed, I just have a different justification for it. I don't see gay/straight - I see constitutional and not.
Oh, and just for the record, I am straight and I believe in God.
I would agree if you had supported your arguement
First, I think some of the stories dealing with churches and the photographers are disturbing and absolutely disgusting. A church group or a private business should be able to exclude whomever they want. I have a hard time believing stories like this, so I would need some resources as the Christian Authoritarians tend to "mis-state" things at times. However, assuming they are true, I hope this is part of an adjustment period and court cases can be brought to help situations like this. It is the opposite of individual freedom.
Primarily, however, you didn't even come close to supporting the arguement you began with. You still haven't shown any evidence for the claim that homosexual marriage effects my marriage. And, the bulk of your evidence was based on two people who were upset that the (unConstitutional) three-party contract did not have the words "bride" and "groom" on the form. Write your own contract! My wife didn't want to be called a "bride" either, since that denotes a sale of property.
Also, if the "gay agenda" or whatever you born-againers call it these days is about getting equal property rights and the right to share wealth and make contracts between adults - then I'm with them.
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Sorry, I thought I was clear
This isn't my story. I took it off the Focus on the Family website. I for one have verified these stories individually over the past several months and they are authentic. They are easy to verify independently, however. The California Bride/Groom was in the news and a google search would find it. You seem to miss the significance of that point anyway, though. For many of us this is central.
The New Mexico photographer story is here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61342
The church losing tax exemption story is here:
http://fireandhammer.blogspot.com/2007/10/new-jersey-church-...
What is even more troubling to me is the story of the MA family whose 6 year old son was being taught about homosexuality in school. When they tried to opt out they were told they have no right to. This can also easily be searched. Yet, you don't think these matters affect the core of the heterosexual marriage?
The world as we have known it for ALL time is burning down around us. There will be nowhere to go and not be assaulted with perversion. Does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell? If not, this would be a good time to read up on it. You may find it interesting. BTW, I am Catholic, not born again. But I believe all people of good will need to stand together to survive this onslaught. The homosexual community is not content to live and let live. They want nothing less than the destruction of the traditional family.