Abraham Lincoln question
Submitted by gratefulgraft on Sun, 11/23/2008 - 09:41
Forgive me for not having reeducated myself of the truth of Lincoln yet, Dr. Paul's suggested reading is on my list of to do's. I have a question on Lincoln, considering from the information in this video. This video is very good, and it is about the brief (10 min.) history of the Federal Reserve and banking of the Rothschilds in America. It seems that Lincoln was against them and even printed American currency, going around them. Can someone enlighten me as to the evils of Lincoln? thanks.
here is the banking video:
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Assassination...
Of all of the "Conspiracy Theories" that abound, some of which I am a big proponent, I am presently, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary, unwilling to agree to any Rothschild involvement in Lincoln's death. While I will acquiesce to the possibility given the greenback issuance, the glove simply doesn't seem to fit. The "training" of the populace to the use of fiat currency was, in it's own way, of benefit to the future of the machinations of the money interests and the war itself was a windfall to their pockets.
The Conspiracy who's bloody glove does fit (and maybe which should be telegraphing my folly) existed within a cadre of Southern sympathizers taking revenge for Lincoln's crimes...and with good reason. This is supported in documentation taken from Surratt's boarding house and popular understanding that Boothe was hardly a mute in his abject hatred for the "ape".
Of course...I could very well be wrong on this one...
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Republicae...Dude...(or is it Dudette?)...
I've said it before and now I'll say it again...you impress the shit out of me...I look forward to your well researched and thoughtfully ruminated upon opinions on just about every subject that appears here...even when my opinion differs...which I can't seem to remember happening! You have a fan.
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Dude or Dudette?
If you are referring to me it would be dudette to you. I am a woman. chinkadaro is the funny e-mail name one of my sons gave me a long time ago when he set up my first e-mail account. I was always calling jewelery and stuff ,chinkadaros, kind of like thingamajigs and doodads. Don't know why, I just did, so the name stuck. But if you were referring to me, thanks.
chinkadaro
No, I was referring to Republicae...however....
your post and stance taken are respectable, introspective and informed as well.
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"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece
It is "dude" a very old
It is "dude" a very old "dude"....LOL.....Thanks.
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Ditto
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"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece
Abraham Lincoln
I won't tell you my opinion of him because I'm working on trying not to cuss to much and use fool language, plus I don't want to get involved in anything construed as hatred. I will give one good resource for some information from some beautiful people if you are interested. The scv.org is the organization of the Southern Confederate Veterans, people who's families were Confederate patriots that fought in the War between the Sates. It was not a civil war, because the Confederate States of America had already suceeded and had been recognize by many foreign countries. It definitely wasn't about slavery, slavery is what was used, the false flag. Many would argue that this site isn't the place to discuss this but I would suggest you study and learn everything you can because what happened then has some very eerie similarities about what is happening in America today. Unfortunately I wasn't born in the south and I was indoctrinated in school with all the lies about the supposed civil war, but when I read the other side of the story I came away with a much different picture. I respect and honor all those men who died to preserve their way of life and their country. They wanted to remain true to the principals of the Constitution of the our Founding Fathers and for that I honor and respect all Confederates. By the way there were many black men who served in the Confederate Army and they were not segregated into special regiments like in the Union Army.
chinkadaro
The civil war was
at least according to a book I read a few years back was a plot by the British Elite to divide and weaken the US. It names the agitators who were sent from London to put themselves in positions of influence and use slavery as the wedge to start the war. I'll have to dig through some boxes to find the title and author of the book. Given what I have learned about the Rothchilds and the control they attempt to have over both sides in a war it seems possible that Lincoln was fighting more than just against slavery. Actually much of Lincolns campaign speeches were against ending slavery. Although again it is always hard to tell if a politician trying to get elected is telling the truth.
Lincoln = Tyrant
1) He illegally suspended Habeas Corpus
2) He willfully allowed his generals to commit many war crimes against innocent civilians, women, and children.
3) He allowed mass murders of the Indians.
4) He was a racist who believed that blacks were inferior to whites.
5) He orchestrated the start of the Civil War.
6) He arrested newsmen who published editorials that he did not agree with.
7) He promoted corrupting tariff laws and high taxation.
8) He ignored orders from the Supreme Court.
9) He promoted unconstitutional direct taxes and income taxes.
10) He promoted the military draft.
You missed a couple
11) He hated central bankers and affirmed this through his actions.
12) He got shot.
No good guys in the war business is there?
Rothschild wanted the war, do your research. It is easy to uncover European banker support of the south. NY banker non support of the north and the motivation for Russia's support of Lincoln in the civil war.
If you are going to side with Jeff Davis, then you are siding a a bunch of real bad folks,
Folks in the south to whom I am related, got totally screwed. Folks in the north got totally screwed. Sounds like the banksters to me....everyone gets screwed when they call the shots.
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Sorry, but from all I have
Sorry, but from all I have read over the last 60 or so years, I will side with Jeff Davis any day! I have yet to read anything about the Honorable Mr. Davis that would cause me to reject his memory. Even his stance of slavery was one that, based upon what he was attempting, showed that he had a conscience toward their plight and sought to emancipate them into a Liberty that they could succeed within instead of being left to suffer and starve like nearly 400,000 did in the first few years after the War and remain in abject poverty for the next 100 years. We rarely hear of those casualties, but after the so-called Liberators won the War they forgot the slaves.
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People I've told this to.
After personally having found out about the real history most couldn't understand or wouldn't come to grips with it..
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You are right.
I don't agree with WHAT he did, but in a way, I agree with WHY he did it. It was the only way to hold things together. What would you do in similar circumstances? It is really easy to sit here, now, and second guess everything. But when YOU are the one under fire, it makes decisions a whole lot more difficult. It is always hard to know what the right thing to do is. Lincoln gambled and won. He acheived his goals. We don't know what would have happened next, since he was killed.
Why did he do it? Each State
Why did he do it?
Each State under the Constitution was an Independent and Free State. The federal government was delegated authority from the States and The People, not the other way around.
Lincoln himself, earlier in his political career had said:
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."
From the time of the Revolutionary War, it was completely understood that the act of entering into the Constitutional Compact was a voluntary act, an act of accession by the States, the reverse process was an act of secession. Each of the Seceding States went through the exact same process to Secede that they did when the Acceded to join the union. The federal government was not a National government, but one that was a reflection of all the States that agreed to the Compact or Contract; every Founding Father understood that if any part of the Compact was violated by any of the States or the federal government itself, it was their Right and Duty to return to their previous Status as Independent and Free States outside of a union.
Lincoln violated not only the Letter of the Law, but the very Spirit of what it mean to be a part of THESE UNITED STATES (plural), there has never been a Central government except by the illegal and un-Constitutional actions of the criminal Lincoln and his Radical Republicans.
Lincoln violated the Constitution because of MONEY, that is the only reason. The North had imposed heavy tariffs on the South for decades. When Lincoln was asked: “Why not let the South go in peace?” Lincoln replied: “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government.”
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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater
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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
Nonsense
He had NO authority to 'hold' anything 'together'. What do you mean by that? HOW was he under fire? He put the southern states 'under fire' himself by breaking the constitution - it was THEIR RIGHT and OBLIGATION to respond. He illegally told the southern states he would impose illegal taxes on them and then illegally told them he hold hold them accountable for those taxes or kill their citizens. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 'gambling and winning'. No doubt he 'acheived his goals'. His goals were ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Learn about STATES RIGHTS prior to Lincoln and what those meant. You agree with WHY he did things because you have no comprehension of WHY he did things. He did them to collect tax revenues from states that he demanded them from with no authority - taxation without representation, remember that line? He butchered thousands for his tax money he had no right to. Read a book or two.
Your insanity rests in your belief...
that "keeping it together" was a noble cause given the manipulations and taxation of a people who had no way of controlling what was being done to their way of life...never mind that we find that morally repugnant today.. Moral repugnance aside, you need to read the Declaration of Independence again and understand the bedrock of the American experiment.
Lincoln, who had no intention of freeing slaves, acted in direct opposition to the canons established in that document. The United States was a VOLUNTARY alignment brought about through the agreement of like minded states (made up of free individuals) to bind together for protection and the advancement of commerce and freedom.
Lincoln's war was in direct opposition to these canons and the original intent of the alliance of the States and in effect was the first step in our move towards slavery to the money interests that controlled him and have continued to control us today.
If you believe what you are now seeing is a simple mistake in economic planning, your programmed insanity is in full control of your facilities.
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"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece
TSTORY is right
He produced currency backed 100% by trust of the nation. No fractional reserve.
Everything else he did was like George Bush. Starting with the Alien and Sedtion Act (equivilent of our Patriot Act)
For Freedom!
For Freedom!
STUGOTS! To the high and felutent establishment!
Paultian Powerhouse!
Actually, the Alien and
Actually, the Alien and Sedition Act was in 1798 under the Adams Administration.
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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater
http://militantjeffersonian.com
"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
He printed greenbacks in defiance of the Roithschilds
Now it is up to you to research this from numerous angles and return with your conclusions.
Unless this is a set up thread for some other purpose, the key board in front of you will yield the information that will permit you to MAKE YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
I am not sure why people pose questions to this this site.
Get info, make a conclusion, post it here and we will debate based on your perception of the truth.
This is just I "fight over Lincoln" thread now while the this generation of Rothschilds figure out how to ring us up.....get it?
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I did ask for forgiveness for my lack of knowledge in this area
And that is what I am trying to do, ask the people I trust (well, some people I trust) here who are like minded and see what information they will be so kind to lead me to, so I can make my own conclusions. Believe me, this thread is no set up for some nefarious purpose. I was at the End the Fed rally yesterday in Dallas and there was a man I was speaking to and unfortunately I wan not prepared enough in the history of the FED, and when I saw this video this morning, it stirred up some questions.
While Lincoln did some
While Lincoln did some unconstitutional things and was heavy handed I think he really thought many of those actions were needed. the confederate constitution was anti-individual freedom. The southern secession was part of a bigger agenda to break up the united states.
The official u.s. government posistion on lincolns assasination is it was a conspiracy ran by the pope. apparently international bankers did do thier part however. all of that can be found in the e-book link below. It cantains qoutes from the comminion which in its day would be like the warren commision but without the coverup.
http://www.reformation.org/surratt.html
Assassination of Lincoln
A History of the Great Conspiracy
Trial of the Conspirators by a Military Commission
And a review of the Trial of John H. Surratt
By T. M. Harris
Late Brigadier-General U. S. V. and Major General by Brevet
A Member of the Commission
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The Constitution of the
The Constitution of the Confederacy was, word for word, almost exactly the same as the U.S. Constitution. Yes, it did allow for the ownership of slaves however, without saying it so did the U.S. Constitution in a defacto manner. The South, of which only a minor part were slave owners, were aware as far back as the 1840s that slavery was rapidly becoming uneconomical and unprofitable. In fact Jefferson Davis stated that no matter who won the war slavery would end either way. The Southern Abolitionist were far more involved with actual emancipation of the slaves, in fact by the time the War began the South had emancipated more slaves than the North up to that time. The North actually sold off their slaves when abolitionist laws went into effect in the North, but they still maintained the slave trade by kidnapping and selling off 10 slaves in Central and South America to every one they ever sold in America. The first State to outlaw the slave trade was Virgina in 1820, most of the Southern States, in fact had sought to prohibit slavery in the Southern States for decades.
Every State in the South had a plan for emancipation, but they wanted to make sure that the former slave could easily transform himself into society. In fact, what few people know is that all slaves had the right, upon showing proof that they could maintain their lives without support from the State, they would be freed. This became so popular that the States, particularly Virginia, had to craft laws that would allow former slaves to return to slavery and even pick their “master” if they felt freedom was not agreeable to them.
In my town, Charleston, SC, one out of every four freed black women owned slaves. By 1840 there were over 500 black slave owners in South Carolina, some were extremely wealthy plantation owners. As I have said before, the issue of slavery is far from simply and far from what has been taught in public schools.
The Assassination of Lincoln was the worse thing to happen to the defeated South and Southerners were well aware of that fact. Lincoln's conciliatory stance on the South was his death sentence from the Radical Republicans: Stanton and Thad Stevens in particular.
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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater
http://militantjeffersonian.com
"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
I hate Lincoln but I think he was assasinated because
he didnt fully cave to the NWO. I think he woke up after he won the war and realized they were trying to use him for evil purposes and thats why he got killed. It dosent wipe his atrocities just like Jackson but they did some good which caused them to be a target of the NWO
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As I was reading responses,
I thought of how his assination was related and was going to post the question.
It appears his death and it's circumstances were not questioned that much - however, I must admit, I'm not a student of Lincoln.
The NWO must have some network!!!! and for many years it must just continue to grow...
Lincoln-corrupter of the US Constitution
Lincoln, where to start? He ranks as the 2nd most destructive president to freedom and liberty. FDR wins the prize. Lincoln did emit bills of credit called green backs with no constitutional authority. He invaded the South with no congressional approval. He suspended habeas corpus, captured and tore down telegraph lines, commandeered railroads, shut down newspapers, arrested NORTHERNERS who publicly opposed his policies, especially newspaper publishers. He threw in jail Congressman Vallandigham who had the courage to oppose Lincoln's policies. Lincoln murdered 620,000 as a result of the Northern Aggression War that had nothing to do with defending the black man or saving the Union. We were the only country who had a war over "slavery." It was all about centralizing power. Lincoln was the great perverter of the Constitution.
Yes, but even the greenbacks were going against the "FED"
the central bank and monetary system of the Rothschilds, which it seems to me was also unconstitutional. Do you think that since he disregarded the big bankers is why he was eliminated, which that short video suggests? I am not trying to validate all of the things Lincoln did with those greenbacks however, just trying to understand his disobedience to the Rothschilds and that the Czar of Russia was willing to back him on that. Did the South favor more of the Rothschild banking as opposed to the North? thanks.
The South wanted a
The South wanted a Constitutional Republic and wanted to maintain the original structure of a Republic of Republics. I personally wouldn't read to much in the Lincoln and the Greenbacks, he needed fiat money to run his War Machine. It is interesting however, to note that Lincoln was supported in his actions against the South by none other than Karl Marx, indeed, Lincoln went on to appoint many of the failed Marxist Revolutionaries from the 1848 German Revolution to very high military and political posts.
The best thing for you to do is read the writings of the period, the books that were published during that time and immediately afterwards, don't worry about the Rothschilds or the money masters until you get a firm grasp on the real history that surrounds the events of the period. Sometimes we allow ourselves to get sidetracked by every wind of conspiracy that we overlook a history that is right before our eyes. Remember to chew before you simply swallow...no matter who writes or says it. Always verify as much information as you can before you simply believe it to be true.
http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com
I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater
http://militantjeffersonian.com
"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
Here is a place you can
Here is a place you can start, a two part article I wrote for Nolan Chart:
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3465.html
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3466.html
Additionally, you can read about The Bloodline of Tyranny:
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3350.html
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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater
http://militantjeffersonian.com
"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
Gratias tibi ago.
I will read them.