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Submitted by legalizeliberty on Sun, 11/23/2008 - 21:51
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no words can describe this cruelty.
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Hey Legalize Liberty.
I posted this a long time ago. I think it will be of interest to you.
America's Secret War on Wildlife
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/27217
Here is the direct link. Click on -the report.
http://www.evana.org/index.php?id=29635
I'm a member of PETA
people for eating tasty animals that is..
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love your 9/11 posts and all...
also love tasty animals...
was drinking tasty Chinese wine from snakes a few times(greenish organic)...
but would you wish on your pet to be tortured and eaten by your next door buddy?
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
T-Rex practised permaculture for over one million years . .
Tyrannosaurus Rex has more wisdom than NWO. T-Rex could have eaten everything in sight and stepped on everything else . . . . but he did not . . . for the greater part, nature does not annihilate it's food source.
Lions hunt the outside and weak . . even fish allow the "fish ball" to swim away for another day. Something universally cosmic about all living things and creatures.
The backlash for mismanagement of food source by industrialized farming is exteme poisoning to the very DNA of life, it's gentic heritage resulting in sterility.
Choose to eat a plant-centered diet. Eat more organic, locally grown vegetables and grains, less meat, less dairy. Eat as close to vegetarian as you are comfortable with. Make the proper food and exercise choices and you wont be so sick, and can think more clearly and have more energy for this global movement.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
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"Tyrannosaurus Rex has more wisdom than NWO. T-Rex could have eaten everything in sight and stepped on everything else . . . . but he did not . . . for the greater part, nature does not annihilate it's food source.
Lions hunt the outside and weak . . even fish allow the "fish ball" to swim away for another day. Something universally cosmic about all living things and creatures."
So you believe that animals and all life forms make a decision to only eat so much, as a way of preserving their food source? That is not true. 99.9% of all life that has ever existed is extinct. Life forms through evolution develop defensive techniques to aid their survival. Lions only hunt the outside and weak because it is an easier kill, therefore they expend less energy and is will not endanger themselves. It is much harder for lions to take down a big, strong animal running with other big, strong animals. There is a debate in the scientific community whether T-Rex was a predator or a scavenger. Most likely
it was both. T-Rex would eat everything it could. How do you know T-Rex made a decision not to kill or eat everything it could? Any proof to your claim? The reason T-Rex did not kill and eat everything was because it couldn't. The dinosaurs that were not eaten by the T-Rex had evolved defensive techniques, speed, body armor, horns, etc. T-Rex, or any other animal or life form for that matter, does not care if it's food source goes extinct. Prey animals produce much more offspring than predators, as a type of defensive technique so their species could not possibly be killed off by a predator species. Countless prey species have be eaten into extinction by predator species because they did not produce enough offspring. The prey species that are around today do produce enough, therefore they survived.
"The backlash for mismanagement of food source by industrialized farming is extreme poisoning to the very DNA of life, it's gentic heritage resulting in sterility."
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say here. What extreme poisoning to the very DNA of life, it's genetic heritage resulting in sterility are you talking about? Could you be more specific, give a few examples, explain more clearly.
"Choose to eat a plant-centered diet. Eat more organic, locally grown vegetables and grains, less meat, less dairy. Eat as close to vegetarian as you are comfortable with. Make the proper food and exercise choices and you wont be so sick, and can think more clearly and have more energy for this global movement."
What evidence do you have that eating a plant-centered diet will make you less prone to being sick, think more clearly or have more energy? Do you have any proof that eating meat will make you more sick, think less clearly or have less energy? There is some evidence that processed foods make people less healthy, physically and mentally, and have less energy, but meat(fish,beef,chicken,etc.) is not a processed food.
"Processed foods that may not be as healthy as fresh foods include:
canned foods with lots of sodium
white breads and pastas made with refined white flour, which are not as healthy as those made with whole grains
packaged high-calorie snack foods, like chips and cheese snacks
high-fat convenience foods, like cans of ravioli
frozen fish sticks and frozen dinners
packaged cakes and cookies
boxed meal mixes
sugary breakfast cereals
processed meats
Processed meats might be some of the worst of these foods. Eating these meats may increase your risk of colorectal, kidney and stomach cancer. Processed meats include hot dogs, bologna, sausage, ham and other packaged lunch meats."
http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/processe...
"And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
This is a half truth. Humans would not have developed their large, complex brains without meat. Humans are omnivores. Humans did not develop agriculture until 10,000 years ago. Before that, they were hunter-gatherers.
http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-4a.s...
"Still, if humans developed genes to compensate for a meat-rich diet, why do so many now suffer from high cholesterol and vascular disease?
The answer is a lack of exercise and moderation, according to the researchers.
"This shift to a diet rich in meat and fat occurred at a time when the population was dominated by hunters and gatherers," said Finch, a USC University Professor and holder of the ARCO-William F. Kieschnick Chair in the Neurobiology of Aging.
"The level of physical activity among these human ancestors was much higher than most of us have ever known," he said. "Whether humans today, with our sedentary lifestyle, remain highly tolerant to meat eating remains an open question researchers are looking into."
Stanford, co-director of the university's Goodall Research Center, said that modern-day humans "tend to gorge ourselves with meat and fat."
"For example, our ancestors only ate bird eggs in the spring when they were available," he said. "Now we eat them year-round. They may have hunted one deer a season and eaten it over several months. We can go to the supermarket and buy as much meat as we want."
"I think we can learn a lesson from this," Stanford said. "Eating meat is fine, but in moderation and with a lot of exercise."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040322081608.htm
storks throw their babies out when there is not enough food
There has to be a healthy balance.
I am I have to admit to being a dreamer a poet.
My perfected purified earth would include liberated animals living in peace with us.
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I feel that more attention should be given to the environment.
My point is that in under 160 years, near say the last sixty years, the direction of the NWO ideals are rape and pillage, and the people are left with the trash. Environmentalist are given a bumb rap. Disappearance of bees? Oceans 90% depleted of life, and toxins flow everywhere in the air, water and lands . . . . .
First, trace amounts of poison freak out hormones . . . this lower immune system is inviting disease and allergies. Secondly, the second generation could display abnormal growth and behaviour, distorted limbs and even blindness, and by the third generation . . . sterility.
I feel that more attention should be given to degrading the environment. During the early 70's, there were good sustainable ideas to grow the world. Oppression wasn't one of them. Respect for nature and it's ways frame individual sovereignty.
The raw food topic is even more difficult to share, because a person is more likely to change his religion, than to change his diet. I first tried my raw food diet cure when I was 14 years old. I am now 60, and use food as my medicine, and medicine as my food. I am into very nutritious and mineralized foods, and the current industrial farming methods are like growing card board instead of foods. There is better quality protein in fruit than there is in meat. Sure, lots of differing ideas . . but I'm looking for a sustainable planet here, with a population situation.
Thankyou for your in depth comments, and more reply from me later.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
my parents and me
we grew up in Poland and had almost only organic foods
even though my dad as a truck driver drunk hard for 30 years he was and is still healthy now here in Canada...just shows the healing power of organic foods upon body its immune system.
your posts should be converted into threads for all to read.
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Hitler was a Vegetarian.
I personally tire of anmal cruelty/vegan-related nonsense, because we all feed on death. Meat eaters are just more honest with themselves about it.
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Hitler and Himmler loved animals
and abortion was forbidden....
at the same time German soldiers returning from the front where shocked when discovering that their mentally retarded children where killed by the state...
its ok to eat meat.
From my own experience I know of animals coming to me in my dreams and they ask me for liberty.
They say "legalize we also want liberty"
I had a few of those dreams already...
at the same time they said that they "we pray while in slavery to be eaten by good people".
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It's not just about eating the meat . . .
but also about the degrading of the environment resulting from industrialized meat production. A global world based on meat production and not on "orchards" is disasterous. Hey, even eating meat one day in seven would mean a huge reduction in the consumption of meat.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
http://www.truecostoffood.org/
The True Cost of Food
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
http://www.truecostoffood.org/
The True Cost of Food
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
You do understand these
You do understand these animals do not have human feelings or are self cognizant?
Not that they should be abused but I just don't think this is all that serious and something that we should waste energy on. I mean is chopping their heads off and dressing them out any less abusive if you look at it in this vein?
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just a healthy exchange of opinions
this post is just to exchange ideas....about torture amongst them.
would we want Dick Cheney to experience this even though he is supposedly a human being...
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I'd be okay with cheney
experiencing this. He has wrought evil and cruelty on millions of innocents. Those turkeys deserve more respect than he does.
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agree 100%
Animals in Iraq also suffer(not to mention the millions of humans in Iraq)
I would hang the evil ones and feed them to the hungry pets who lost their loving owners in Iraq.
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Could we eat him..
Joking of course.. he would probably be tough and unsavory anyhow.
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I was thinking all morning about this
actually I would not even wish for that bastard Cheney and his pal Bush to suffer this...just get them into court and if convicted hang them for their crimes.
Torture makes both the perpetrator and his victim victimized...
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PETA's beliefs... kill a
PETA's beliefs...
kill a baby save a turkey
"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32
PETA is against torture first and foremost
their members have different views.............
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Societies that have no regard for torture or cruelty
carry these tendencies into other areas of society. It is sick that the almighty dollar and consumerism make way for big agrabiz... and the mass production of living beings for our food and the abuses that seem so natural to the abusers and the rest of us are closing our eyes or are in a state of denial. I never make turkey for Thanksgiving, knowing that the huge push to bring these millions of birds to the table at this time is full of ways to maximize profits through barbarism at the expense of treating the birds humanely.
The futurte is in our hands . . . you are correct . . .
And you down there, don’t laugh at me for hugging a tree. And before you make any choice, the first question is, how does it impact local accessabiltiy to quality foods. You know, like for every oil well, drill a water well for the people. For every suburb, bring back the local truck farms as you paved paradise. This will automatically control excessive population growth. The following paragraph is you’re greatest weapon and you can do it now.
Choose to eat a plant-centered diet. Eat more organic, locally grown vegetables and grains, less meat, less dairy. Eat as close to vegetarian as you are comfortable with. Make the proper food and exercise choices and you wont be so sick, and can think more clearly and have more energy for this global movement.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
Maybe I'm just mean..
but what exactly does liberty have to do with farm animals?
They are food.
just a catchy title
to get your attention.
that's all.
thanks for bumping this thread.
but to think of it these animals when tortured before their slaughter certain toxins develop within their bodies and meat obtained from such suffering senile beings is not as healthy as one from animals living in peace and well cared for.
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I guess we can't be surprised,
when people still treat other humans with horrific cruelty, that many would also be abusive to other animals.
Thank goodness for the internet showing such abuses so people can understand previously hidden costs, not only of their political choices, but also of their private lifestyles.
LOL i'm sorry but I think
LOL i'm sorry but I think it's kind of funny. You know all them turkeys are dead now right? You know that's what they were bred for? You know that the job these guys were doing probably sucks so bad and yet they can't find anything else. They're just competing for labor trying to put food on their own tables. All this so bovine America can take a day to give thanks! I don't think it's beyond words at all. I think it's hilarious in a sick sort of way and predictable also in a sick sort of way. It's like pissing your own bed and being mad or even surprised about sleeping in the wet spot.
What can one expect from industrial mega-farming and subsidizing this, thing? Just because you take out the mega-farming will mishandling animals bred for human consumption go away? I seriously doubt it. Rather, it would just be channeled out to more smaller local farmers abusing animals bred for human consumption in more locations than ever.
I also thinks it's hilarious in a sick sort of way because I know we have bigger fish to fry. Yet here we are, banging our turkeys against a cage door.
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Another point of view
"What can one expect from industrial mega-farming and subsidizing this, thing? Just because you take out the mega-farming will mishandling animals bred for human consumption go away? I seriously doubt it. Rather, it would just be channeled out to more smaller local farmers abusing animals bred for human consumption in more locations than ever."
If you're interested in why this is probably not true, read "Everything I want to do is Illegal" by Joel Salatin (very entertaining read), and Mad Cowboy, by Howard Lyman. There's a huge difference between mass production of meat for the masses (industrial "farming") and real farming.
great point
terrific...........
my thread works.
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Very disturbing.
All life should be treated with respect, even animals destined for the dinner table.
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