ammo confiscation

They'll just have to catch it going 2900 feet per second.

Please do not worry too much. We are on the cusp of having newer guns take over that do not shoot physical bullets but can cause a great deal of damage. These "ray guns" are very powerful and can literally melt a hole in most armored vehicles and only leave a small amount of trace residue. Of course, we should always discourage this legislation to never occur, but these people are far behind the technology curve to have a clue what the future has given us. Soon these newer weapons will be sold on the open market. They are very easy to make that anyone can create this weapon with a few materials. Also, it's very difficult to track these weapons as they can be disguised a number of ways and even current X-Ray imaging devices at airports will be rendered useless. The fuel to these units consists of a commonly grown vegetable which emits a great deal of power. This is the future weapon for revolutionaries in case the government continues its destruction of our laws and I hope that we will never have to utilize this solution as violence is always a horrible means in conflict resolution, but I am also aware that we may not have a choice but to resolve to protecting the future of mankind against enemies of reason.

I'm gonna cut and paste part of a previous post I made on this subject, since apparently a lot of people still don't get it.

These ammo coding bills and lead bans and everything else are not going to fly! Every gun owner and their dog would have a shit fit if this were implemented, and a lot of manufacturers would be boycotted into the toilet.

The bill(s) which would have "shut down" RRA, Armalite, Springfield Armory, and a few others was doomed before it hit the floor- not because it would've taken hardware out of peoples' reach, though. It wouldn't have killed them outright anyway, only certain manufacturing divisions and civilian sales (which by the way is the foundation of their income).

See, RRA, Springfield, Kimber, FN Herstal, Colt, Armalite, DPMS and numerous other mainstream makers also have military defense contracts to manufacture complete systems and maintenance parts for every small arm and HWS in the US arsenal. I don't know if anyone knows this, but the companies don't exactly get a fuck-load of money on these contracts. The companies would be forced to close their doors if they couldn't sell to us.
To get them shut down or prohibitively regulated through expensive coding bills would've effectively killed most manufacture of military hardware to arm the troops. This was the dumbest thing I'd ever seen.
Remember what Ronnie Barrett did when California banned the 50 BMG, then the police sent their Barrett rifles in to be maintenanced? Barrett refused to give them back, citing that it would be illegal to ship them to CA. Ooops.

Now, since they haven't been effective in going after our guns, they have a renewed vigor to go for what feeds them- the ammunition. They want to waste a shit-pot of money to create a massive database that keeps track of proposed 'serialized ammunition.' Meaning, they would laser cut or stamp each slug with a number to track who bought it, etc... This is the second dumbest thing I've ever seen.

I'm just one guy, and I fire about 90,000-100,000 rounds of ammunition per year, I reload and also cast my own slugs and shot in some cases. Now multiply me by about 60,000,000 other shooters who go through various amounts. The proposed system is not viable. There is an average of 250 pellets in the average skeet load. Are they gonna label every pellet too?
That database would NEVER be accurately kept up- a waste of time and money and effort. Firing pin or striker prints? Give me a break. I'm a gunsmith; I'll just fabricate one without the print, and I'm not alone.

Bottom line, these bills that get proposed aren't going to get anywhere no matter who is in office. Passing them on any front is a double edged sword with unintended consequences, and here's why.

Shut down the plants- they get sued and the military loses hardware and resources.
Attack the ammo- the military, police and everyone else loses out BIG time.

As it is now, the police departments AND the feds are hurting... badly. They can barely even get enough ammo to train and issue to their officers. Ask Black Hills, Federal and Winchester how many feds and police departments they've had to turn down due to lack of stock.

There are only 3 major ammunition plants for the military, and right now they are tapped out beyond capacity and having to contract out to the civilian manufacturers to offset the demand for the military. Even they can't keep up with civilian and military demand, so the US has had to buy from Britain and IMI, and that is just barely squeezing them through. To propose attacks on the ammunition at the expense of the manufacturers (the big expensive database and other hair-brained ideas) would essentially be cutting their own throat.

OK, so they can't go after the guns or the ammunition plants, so how about going after the reloading components? Another big problem. Guess who supplies most of the components for the military arsenals to make the ammo? CCI, Federal, Alliant TechSystems, Dillon Aero (I think this is recent) Remington and Winchester. Some of the swaging for the slugs and making the powder is in-house, but again, there's a massive demand and damn near all of the plants (minus the GSA facilities) make the majority of their money on civilian sales. Deny sale to civilians and the plants go belly up.

Even if the confiscation bills get passed, most police would not go door to door and do a sweeping confiscation nationwide. They don't want to get shot trying and they all know damn well that is what will happen. Don't give me the Katrina argument either- that was small in comparison to this idea- no way in hell people would go for it on a national level. There's way too many shooters and gun owners, and especially with times being what they are, no one is going to give up the only means to protect what little they have without a fight.

If they manage to get the ammo bills done, what happens then? The Black market will thrive. People always find a way. Marijuana is illegal here, and I'm willing to bet my right eye there's more than a handful of potheads just here at the DP. The resourceful people will hit up tire shops all over the place because there's an awful lot of lead wheel weights floating around and any machinist or mechanic with a mill would be happy to make you a mold for a little trade on the side.

One gun a month? Amusing. Again, private sales and black market will be happy to take up the slack in lieu of banned commercial sale.

They can play these games all they like, but they won't win. This is one facet of control where WE THE PEOPLE DO have absolute power (perhaps the only place we have full influence). Piss us off on this one, or ban sales to us, and everyone loses.

to Delbert Scott, (R) MO senate. This is his reply:
Jeff,
There is no legislation pending in the State of Missouri as all unpassed legislation has to be reintroduced at the beginning of each session. Prefilling of bills for the 2009 session will begin December 1. Anyone can introduce any bill (regardless of how stupid) but passing it is something else. I will assure you that no bill of this nature will pass in the state of Missouri anytime in the next two years. (given the number of conservatives here).
However, there is no guarantee that the new congress in Washington (overwhelmingly democratic) and our new President Obama will not attempt something like this.
I would suggest that you also contact our federal elected officials, Congressman Ike Skelton and Senators Bond and McCaskill.
Thank you for caring enough to write.
Delbert

"Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011."

Okay, if you say so. But just remember Big Brother, you asked for it.

"Non-negotiable"! You can put a "lien" onto something that is "a-lien-able". You cannot put a "lien" onto something that is "un-a-lien-able".

IF you say the word right you will see its easier to pronounce than the way we were taught to pronounce it in school (which has nothing to do with "aliens"!).

Go ahead try it - start with "Uhn 'Un' - uhh 'a' - leen 'lien' - uhhbble "able" Aka: NON-NEGOTIABLE to any branch of govt., federal, state or otherwise.

I learned that in, "Washington; You're Fired!" IT MAKES SENSE!! It's a great video full of info w/answers and great facts! I bought it, burn it and pass it around.

"Ammunition Accountability is a newly forming group of ammunition coding technology supporters. Our group includes gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more. We are working together to pass legislation to make ammunition coding technology a reality. "

A 'newly' forming group, that has the money/juice to get a law introduced in 18 separate states, and hides behind a domain proxy, remaining totally anonymous.

I smell a Marxist tax free foundation, or the United Nations.