The important and overlooked Ron Paul / Mason question has NOTHING to do with if he is or is not one!
Did you seriously look into it?
EDIT: One more attempt to clarify. The ABOVE question is the important one. Read it again, please. I have been getting blasted over and over by people who miss the entire point. Whether he is or is not is really not that important. Masons CAN be good people, good people CAN be Masons. The IMPORTANT thing for US is that we not turn into SHEEP. Even if Ron Paul is the best shepherd since Jesus, we have to STOP being sheep! If you are only in this movement out of blind faith in Ron Paul... well, I will let that dangle.
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That is the most important aspect of this issue, in my opinion. Did you stop and ask yourself "Did I get hoodwinked again?" and investigate?
Did you? Or did you just trust your "good feelings" about him and refuse to believe he is capable of being part of, or used by, the NWO?
Did you look into Masonic traditions? Or did you just think about good old Jim at the bar, he's a Mason and he's a good guy? Did you find some post on the dailypaul that agreed with your opinion, and consider that good enough?
I did the investigation. It was not easy, not fun. It was in the heat of the campaign, we were still under the illusion we were going to win our state. I was an extremely active figure and did not know what to say to all the people I had asked to become PCPs... but I knew I had to know the truth, whatever it may be. I also understand and accept that there are VERY few things I can reach 100% certainty on, but I strive to use all the resources I have to get as near as possible before I act.
So, after exhaustive research I know what I know, I suspect what I suspect, and I accept what I accept.
Are you just loving Ron Paul so much you refuse to look at him as critically as you look at any other politician? If so, you are on a damn slippery slope, watch your step.
I wanted this seperate from the main thread, but am bringing it here because so many people are missing my point. My point is the VERY FIRST LINE. Did you do your homework? If you did NOT, why? He is a man, if you have decided to put blind faith in him, I suggest you re-examine that. BLIND anything means you are not seeking the TRUTH on a topic.
On November 25th, 2008 paul4won says:
I am pretty sure he is a Mason.
I am certain the Masonic tradition has roots in power-mongers seeking World domination. I feel like I am writing for a friggin' comic book, but that is what I know, and I am at about 98% certainty on this.
I suspect he is a good man, who joined a family tradition. I have Masons in my family. At the local level, it is a "good old boys'" club. The sick thing is that the people who "rise" through the organization are the MOST corruptable, devious ones. These entry level organizations are to let the good people get together, do good things, and give a good reputation to the organization. But the liars, cheats, smarmy bastards that can pull the wool over the eyes of the good men get to rise through the ranks.
And sad to say, I am pretty sure he is a "tool" for them now, albeit an unwilling one. One of their greatest "skills" is in taking whatever they are handed and "making lemonade." While we all rejoice in seeing him at last get taken seriously by the media, we are missing what is going on in the minds of those who are hypnotized. They no longer hear him at all. The bastards did their work early, and now the masses think whatever he says is "kooky." They use him to mock us now.
But they keep forgetting about blowback.
And he continues to speak the truth.
And we have to accept that we ALL are tools, albeit unwilling ones - every FRN we circulate keeps us feeding the beast.




















This is similar to
Ron Paul fighting for term limits that ultimately will force him out of office. Why would he fight for something that would get him out when we need him in? because he does the right thing no matter what. He sees the big picture, he may be out but the rest of the clowns will be out too.
Non-masonic Presidents
I'm pretty sure Kennedy wasn't a Mason.
I see your point but really don't care..
The point is idol worship and objective analysis / fully integrated honesty vs mystical perceptions.
Honestly, His actions for the last 10 terms of congress make your post about as plausible as cats being advanced aliens who are observing the earth to one day conquer it..
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I fully reject your premise
I fully reject your premise that the onus is on each one of us to dig for dirt on the personal associations of political figures whom we choose to support. That is a ridiculous statement. Am I to look at the whole world through the lens of "Is he a Mason?"
Oh, yeah, I forgot...the important question is not if he is a Mason...the important question is why am I not spending my time surfing to conspiratorial websites and flying across the country to interview people and FIND OUT FOR MY OWN DAMNED SELF IF HE'S A FREAKIN' MASON!!!
Don't be such an idiot.
5% of people make things happen
10% of people watch things happen
85% say "What happened?"
Care to revise this statement, after sleeping on it?
"I fully reject your premise that the onus is on each one of us to dig for dirt on the personal associations of political figures whom we choose to support."
If you stand by this statement, could you perhaps clarify the difference between you and the people who liked the idea of "change" and so voted for Obama without ever asking what he intended to change?
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there's a bigger picture
and you're missing it.
i wish i had time write another 10 or 20 paragraphs. but i've realized that i can't fix stupid and i can't fix everyone who's hung up in their collectivist, forest-for-the-trees perspective.
So good of you to humble yourself enough to take time
to tell me (or all of us on the dp?) that you can't be bothered to share your infinite wisdom.
Are you one of those people who takes online polls and votes "undecided" too?
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I have a friend who is a Mason
a good guy.....
one day last year I asked him does he think Ron Paul can become a president he asked back "is he a Mason?" I said no "he will not become a president if he is not a Mason" was his answer.
So based on that I think Obama is a Mason.
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Both men with ties to either Masonry, Alchemy or perhaps the Rosicrucians.
If these are bad men then I aspire to thier beliefs and hopefully one day will gain the source of knowledge these people held. Surely the things they did benefited mankind.
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Its not about good or bad men
The elite and masons believe they are doing what needs to be done. If you see it as "bad men" then that's only your perspective. Did you ever stop to really consider if Ben Franklin really had the time to do all he supposedly did? Or did he receive a little help from his friends.
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still missing the point
The IMPORTANT question is about YOU and what you do when you are given information. Do you accept or reject it based on what you want to be true, or do you dig, even if you are afraid you may not like what you uncover?
It is pretty clear you go off on a tangent without even reading the full text, let alone seeking the intent.
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Good Post
Look we all have monsters in our closets. No one is pure. We all hold different views on stuff.
U anti-zionist people freak me out. I hate your jew hating crap but . . . the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The goal is to kill the bank and bring justice to its minions. Bring liberty to all. You want to have an abortion (I hate it) then pay for it yourself don't use my money.
If Ron is caught up in that goofy shit (handshakes and all) so be it. He probably did it for some kind of political support.
All I know is that as a radical evangelical xian pastor, that alot of people in my church don't hold the views the way I hold them. Some just go for social reasons or to hear me spew inteligent biblical advise to help them with their marriage or finances.
Is Ron beholden to the Illuminati Rosecarian francis Demolay wack jobs?
I truely doubt it.
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I actually got into this
I actually got into this movement because I was going to become a Mason. They came over my house and interviewed me and had me scheduled for entry... but after doing my research I decided to cancel. So I never joined.
There was three of them that came over my apartment one night for the interview. Two were just sme old guys that looked like WW2 vets... very nice people. But the third guy was what caugth my eye. He was a Nuclear Physicist from France that has lived in sevedral different countries. He had his own card and a web-site siting his accompllishments. Yup... the entire site was his resume. I can't find the card now... I think I tossed it.
That got me to thinking that maybe most of the Masons are good people... sheep.. if you will... then they have these career NWO folks that get imported to keep an eye on the rest.
Wether Dr. Paul is a mason or not I do not know. I tend not to be a fanatic follower of anything. Ardent supporter.. yes. But not fanatic. People will always let you down... thus far... the almighty has not!
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
Where is your proof?
I am so infuriated by the constant disregard for facts and that an entire slander operation is based on " I am pretty sure he is a mason." That is bearing false witness. I have personally spoken to his son who said he never has been a mason but his granparents were. I have seen a thread ( I'll look it up later) where a man called the woman Liberty Oak who started the whole masonic rumor, and she clarified that Ron is not a mason. Where are your facts?
The IMPORTANT question was did you do your homework!
DId you read the post?! It does not matter if he is or is not, it does not matter if my "proof" satisfies you or not. All that matters is that you are NOT blindly following anyone - not even Ron Paul! Changing shepherds does NOT make you stop being sheep. Did you stop being a sheep, or just pick a better shepherd?
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
There is only one Shepherd
He is the Creator of the universe and says "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. I am the Good Shepherd and I lay down My life for the sheep."
So yes, I am a sheep and have but one Shepherd. I still think your accusations that Ron Paul is a mason, because you "think" he is slander and unfounded. Yes I have done my homework.
I reject Masonic conspiracy
I reject Masonic conspiracy theory and those who wallow in it. I think it's idiocy.
If this offends anyone--tough shit.
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He can paticipate in illegal cockfighting for all I care
He's got the message I want............
I hope you mean that
If we can't learn to accept people with a foible or two, we just ran out of viable candidates...
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Share your research
As I read your post I kept wondering when you would get to the evidence to support your suspicion instead of simply posting a tease.
If you have something to say please say it, we both might learn something in the discourse.
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Please consider this
I did not "share my research" because the IMPORTANT question is DID YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH?!
MY conclusions are mine. The "evidence" I find most convincing will mean nothing to you: I found people in my family and my neighborhood and earned their trust and got them to talk. If I give you their names and addresses, will you believe me?
The other "evidence" I got on the internet - you are sitting at a keyboard right now, you can find the same things I did.
What is important is this: Did you question yourself, question Ron Paul, or have a knee-jerk reaction and get defensive? Did you DECIDE he was not, and keep on blindly trusting him?
I trust him, I still support him. And, I am far more comfortable with my informed opinion than I was with my precious point of view and nagging suspicion.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
paul4won is a terrible person and worse...
paul4won has done something very, very terrible but I will let you do your own research. You will find the information on the Internet to verify how vile and contemptible this person is!
Of course I'm being facetious - but I think you get the point.
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and I think you are missing mine
but that is the way it goes some days.
Peace anyway.
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My dad is a mason...
And he's just a simple retired Navy Master Chief. I'm thinking about joining myself, and neither one of us are part of any conspiracy.
a situation I found locally, too
Every employee at the bank is not a Rothschild, either.
Some are.
Join up. We need people climbing up the inner circle. Can you stomach it? You will not be able to find the dirt without getting into the muck yourself, so do be careful. And try very hard to go in as an "empty vessel" and find what you find, rather than go in and try to prove yourself right.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
One thing I am certain of:
paul4won is not a troll. She is courageous to post such blasphemy. To the over-caffeinated name-callers that hide behind their keyboards and monitors: Please devote more time to self examination. Remember that we are here to evolve as spiritual beings and support each other in that effort.
thanks so much for that!
I really want people to read the first line carefully, THAT is what is important in this issue. We cannot become sheep, even if Ron Paul is the shepherd!
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Even if Bob Marley was the shepherd
I would not be one of the sheep. And I love Bob Marley, if you know what I mean.
Lots of anger out there. It gets in the way of rational thought. If people can't handle a concept like this, what are they going to do when they realize that their retirement/pension funds are insolvent? As one of my favorite DPers used to say: "Good luck to us all"