I got JUMPED all over for insinuating 9 year-old's suicide linked to antidepressants

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Folks,

I 'll gladly take constructive criticism from fellow daily-paulers on this matter.

A 9 year-old boy has committed suicide here in the Tampa Bay area, and in our newspaper's forums I went ahead and theorized that it was PROBABLY caused by SSRI antidepressants.

The locals here threw a HUGE fit that I would imply such a thing.

Take a look at how it all unfolds - and PLEASE tell me if I'm out of bounds:

9 Year Old Apparently Commits Suicide

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Film Review: GenerationRx

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Film Review: GenerationRx Documents Chemical Abuse of Children by Pharmaceutical Industry, Modern Psychiatry

Filmmaker Kevin Miller has just launched a shocking new documentary that exposes the crimes and deceptions of modern psychiatry and the drug companies that now control the industry. His film, entitled GenerationRx sheds light on the shadowy practices of psychiatric doctors who are increasingly drugging children with mind-altering drugs. Trailers and DVDs are available at www.GenerationRxFilm.com

The film features an impressive collection of interviews with skeptical physicians, industry critics and even the former deputy director of the FDA. Together, their testimony paints a disturbing picture of the deceitful -- even predatory -- behavior of the psychiatry industry, calling into question the very existence of so-called "disorders" that have been used to put tens of millions of children on dangerous mind-altering drugs that have earned billions of dollars in profits for Big Pharma.

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See: The Project Yurko

47 minutes into this film. It happened in Florida. This will be a great reference for you. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2502546838698762400...

"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multicultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat."

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."

That's the FIRST thing...

I thought too! BIG PHARMA!! Every time there is a school shooting, I think the same thing, but I have to also blame the head banging "music" infested with satanism that adds to the problem.

Since 99% of our population doesn't have a clue about this, you shouldn't be suprised at the lack of knowledge of this subject.

Perhaps your comments might make some of them start thinking and questioning.

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom." Patrick Henry

Music... really?

Never mind the issue with freedom of speech / expression.

I wonder what Jack the ripper and Dr. Kevorkian music preference was...

Blaming a certain type of music to a cause is like blaming the weather or the phase of the moon.

I agree with you completely!

The most schocking website that I have found which demonstrates the scope of this problem worldwide is http://www.ssristories.com/index.php.
Also, check out what Ron Paul wrote in 2004 about the issue of drugging children at http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2004/tst091304.htm.

I have researched this problem for about the past 15 years because a family member was on SSRI drugs for about 11 years. I saw first-hand the damage that these drugs can do to people.

With God's help, our family member was able to SLOWLY taper off of the drugs over a period of 12-18 months. One of the supplements that appeared to be most helpful during this time was cod liver oil. I am not a medical doctor, but if I could only take one supplement, it would be high quality CLO.

I sincerely believe that many of our troops, especially those in combat, are deliberately drugged with antidepressants/antipsychotics to desensitize and dehumanize them and that this is one of the factors which complicates their adjustment back to normal civilian life.

You are exactly right

I hate to plug my own blog, but I just did one on this subject.

http://www.healthbyyourself.net/disease/depression.php

antidepressants are the cause of depression. Ironically, depression is the treatment for depression.

Thanks for that

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I listened and found it very informative.

It's an angle I hadn't thought of before.

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They've broken down into huge fits of anger

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Methinks I've blasphemed their pharm-god.

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I haven't read the comments on this thread...

so forgive me if this has been mentioned before...

I am currently working on a story which involves a foster care scenario---In my research I have come across a disturbing number of articles relating the current use of anti-depressants, as well as a litany of other meds to treat our youngest.

It is becoming rampant in the foster care community as a way of control..I can only assume that physicians in the private sector are touting them as well...Here is just one article...there are hundreds more.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/18/eveningnews/main21...

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It seems to me the more drugs they produce

the more people who need/want them. I try to do the natural cures first, then maybe consider taking a pharmaceutical only maybe.

it is difficult to say

Fortune Favors the Bold

"caused" in the isolated sense of the word. However, given the connection between SSRI's and suicidal ideation, especially in young people, is it possible it was a causal factor? I would say that it was highly probable.

By the way, SSRIs are real "dinosaur" drugs, vastly inferior to older drugs like MAOIs and tricylics. Pharmaceutical companies like them because they have a long inactive molecular chain which be tweaked without affecting the drug's action, allowing for multiple iterations of re-patenting (hence the proliferation of drugs with such remarkably similar profiles, each touted as a "revolution" by pre-release studies, and each with the same mediocre results in the field)

Fortune Favors the Bold

the reaction by the posters on the article

Fortune Favors the Bold

is understandable. It seems you are on this board a bit (the news board) and frequently comment on medical issues.

It is possible the kid was not on drugs (if I had to bet, I would say the he was, but it's far from a certainty)

Fortune Favors the Bold

America Loves, I read the linked thread

and I just gotta say I am with you 100%. It was sickening reading their blatant denial of a very very plausible cause for sure, yet a feeling of relief each time you ratcheted up your responses as they insisted with their denial.

Thank you for being there for the spirit of this sad, unfortunate child who did not have anyone on his side while he was still here!

There is also the plausibility that he may have been abused severely and threatened if he spoke, hence his despair and even 'reason' that he was 'drugged' by his perpetrators. When children do not feel loved, they tend to do pretty desperate things.

Anti depressants are so extreme and unnecessary when there are a myriad of other alternatives to try, especially diet and environment first, then all the next 'unintrusive' alternatives.

These folks who expressed such denial are digging their own graves and those of their own families then, sadly. Oh well, they reap what they sow.

In my way of thinking, drugging children and minors is a criminal act unless all non side affect alternatives are tried first. There is definitely something hideously wrong here with this drugging of the children!!!!

You are absolutely correct.

You are absolutely correct. SSRI increase suicide. They tried to hide the study results but they got out anyway.

Wow

They would rather believe their loved one was nuts over being killed by a lethal prescription?

Amazing

Suicide Victim

My father was on anti-depressant drugs. He didn't believe in suicide and even preached against it. He put a gun to his head almost 2 years ago.

I learned that they make you suicidal and even more suicidal if you stop taking them. The withdrawals make you worse and even put you into a dreaming state. My dad was in the withdrawal stage when he died.

These drugs are nothing more than population control.

Visit Dr. Ann Tracy's site:
http://www.drugawareness.org

She's been fighting the drug companies for many years.

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My heart goes out to you

You are absolutely right, once they have you one these poisons it is deadly to stay on and deadly to get off. I survived, but my family was put through the torment of several attempts. I often feel guilty for what I put them through, even though I know it was the drug running my brain at that point. Your story is a sad reminder that it could have been worse.
Thanks for that link, I had never heard of her.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

THANKS !!!!

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The website you included is an AMAZING resource.

I posted several items from that site onto the thread.

It'll probably cause some squawks and and snarls - BUT WHO CARES IF LIVES GET SAVED !?!?!?!?!
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Folks....I appreciate all the constructive criticism AND support

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I feel like most here at the daily paul are more level-headed, and I don't have any baggage here.

I probably shouldn't have INITIALLY come on as strong as I did, but the point still needs to be made.

I wonder if those reporters are actually going to follow-up on this issue as I requested.

Hmmmmmmm.

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I don't think he did anything wrong...

he was just expressing his opinion, it didn't seem offensive.

There's got

to be some other place to to discuss these things.

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Drugs do!

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I would have waited to find

I would have waited to find out if he was actually on medication before making that assertion.

I take the middle ground on this issue

This is a complex issue. Many children who are just having behavior problems are being medicated so they will not disrupt the classroom. Schools should not have any involvement in recommending to a psychiatrist that a child be medicated. A psychiatrist has to rely on the school's description of the child's behavior and also the parents' which can be inaccurate. Many of the symptoms are the same as normal childhood behavior. There are children that suffer from anxiety and depression, however. Both are linked to genetics and environment. These children, who are properly diagnosed, should be treated, with parent's permission, of course. Medication should not be the first option, it should be the last.

Contrary to popular belief, SSRI antidepressants do not take away people's feelings. SSRI antidepressants restore people's mental well being. Of course, a small percentage of people have very negative effects,such as suicidal thoughts,aggressive behavior,suicide,etc, from SSRIs. The majority of people benefit from taking them and regain their lives. When someone is clinically depressed, they do not feel hopeful, happy, or experience joy. People with anxiety feel constantly anxious and fearful of normal life experiences. Their brains have a chemical imbalance, so they are more prone to deep depression and high anxiety. Normal depression experienced through circumstance or negative outcomes(poor, death of loved one, loss of job, relationship ending,etc) does not compare to clinical depression. Those who have never had clinical depression or anxiety disorder should not judge those who do suffer from them. Just because you have not experienced those disorders, does not mean that they are not real. Many people suffer in silence for their whole lives because they do not want the stigma or to be negatively judged by society or the people in their lives.

Now that I have said that, I would recommend to you America Loves RP, that you temper your response. People are more likely to listen to what you have to say if you say it in a more subtle way. Remember the old saying, it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Such an aggressive manner turns people off, and they will shut you out, no matter how right you are. I know from experience.

The issue isn't whether

The issue isn't whether those disorders are real or not, the problem is that the treatment is often worse than the disorder. Antidepressants used to be a last resort option to be used only after extensive therapy and lifestyles changes failed to help the patient. Now all one has to do to go on a SSRI is ask a GP for a prescription. The doctors, whether they are well-meaning or paid off by the drug companies, hand them out like candy without warning the patient about the side effects or stressing the importance of therapy in treating a mental disorder. The result is that we have a lot of people who are receiving improper treatment and end up much worse off than they were before going on the medication.

And this isn't just conjecture or popular belief. Many of the people you see attacking antidepressants have either been on them or have seen a loved on them. They've seen the nasty side effects of antidepressants, they don't want to see any more lives ruined, and are therefore quite passionate about warning other people since the doctors and media won't.

Truth hurts

and many want it to go away.

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The pharmaceutical

companies have their asses covered 0n this one. All they have to say is the deppressed or mentally disturbed individual. was at risk of such actions and it had nothing to do with the drug. Let's put it this way. It is hard to prove. The fact is they prescribe it for other ailments such as migraines ect. and it can cause mental disturbances (I know) and the doctors will try to convince you it's not the drug it's that you are suffering from anxiety and need another antideppressant or anti-anxiety drug. It is endless. I was put on anti- seizure meds and they tried to put me on prozac because I complained of it making me nuts. I did cave in and take xanax. They were pushing anti-deppressants before the seizure meds. Don't you know they cure everything? Even had a nurse practitioner give them to me them for a hurt knee years ago. I looked up what it as and threw it in the trash. Had female problems (they were physical ) Again they prescribed something thats was for pre menstral disorder. Looked it up.It was nothing but prosac under a different name. Hmm Either they really think I am nuts or they push the stuff. All of this was before I found out I had a seizure disorder and needed a hysterectomy. But the knee is what really blows my mind. That ended up being a pulled tendon. All I needed was and ace bandage, muscle relaxers, and anti-inflamitories. I guess her reasoning was since the Xray machine wasn't working she would just give me some anti-deppressants so I would think there was nothing wrong or not care? It's enough to make you crazy. Now when I go to any doctor I either tell them not to dare mention antidepressants to me or walk out if they do. most of all I try not to go unless I have too. Unfortunatley I have to go every so often so I can continue to get refills on my seizure meds. But I won't take any more prescriptions they want to add. They want me on cholesteral medication now and I wo'nt do it. I am trying diet, fish oil ect. No more drugs dammit!

Child abuse

What in the hell would compel a parent and a doctor to put a child on brain candy?

A developing brain flooded with artificial pleasure should not be expected to develop normally.

Any parent who allows their child to take any type of brain altering medication should be viewed as an animal.

What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!

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Perhaps you could have taken time to couch what you had to say a bit more softly.
Obviously you got them thinking.
Was it Thumper's mom who gets credit for " nothing nice to say, say nothing'?
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