All posts advocating violence should be disavowed! (Updated)
Submitted by Ralph Waldo on Tue, 11/25/2008 - 12:34
All posts advocating violence should be disavowed! It is both unrealistic and unrepresentative of RP and his followers. While RP has said at some point civil disobedience might be the only option, he has never advocated initiating violence, only as a means of self-defense.
Indeed the founding fathers put the right to bare arms in there for a reason, and there may come a time for that. However, we have a much better chance of accomplishing and surviving a peaceful revolution using ideas, reason, freedom of speech, the right to assemble, etc.
Considering the resources and odds, I think the neocons fear our ideas and ideals much more than our guns.
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Picking a fight with a
Picking a fight with a vastly superior force is a terrific strategy - for getting killed. On the other hand, everyone should be ready, physically and mentally, to defend their homes and lives, not that a person with a rifle would last long if faced with the military. The only chance for winning a shooting war with the feds would if the military stood with the people and the Constitution against the traitors who have usurped the government. There is a lot of education that will have to happen before that is likely. The threat of an armed uprising among the citizens is probably a more effective tool that actually carrying it out because they would not know the magnitude of the trouble to expect or the consequences of openly killing so many citizens.
The best strategy still appears to be Ron Paul's strategy: Take our government back one precinct at a time. If we can do that, we all just might survive to restore our nation.
Posts discussing violence need to be heard and considered. They are part of what is on people's minds and that makes discussion necessary. How else can one weigh that option against other, peaceful options? Now if someone says, "Let's get a group together, meet at Walmart and shoot some people," that should definitely be disavowed and stopped if possible. Armed revolution though, was called for by the forefathers to be used only in the most extreme situations and discussion about it should not be censored.
Pat
BOHICA!!
Pat
BOHICA!!
I agree
Two wise quotes:
Know thy Enemy!
Be Careful in the battles you choose to Fight!
Although Lincoln defied his
Although Lincoln defied his own words, and you will rarely see me quote him; I take these particular words to heart, we all should:
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."~Abraham Lincoln
Now, I am happy to quote Samuel Adams:
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were once our countrymen."
Or Patrick Henry:
"Fear is the passion of slaves!"
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No violence? I've got three words for you:
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
His is a great discussion...
no doubt it will help pass the time in the FEMA camp.
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Answers
In response -
I've been gone all day, didn't realize this would turn out to be such a touchy topic. Here is the reasoning behind the original post.
"1. Posts that overtly advocate pre-emptive violence, paint all supporters of RP with the broad brush that we are planning some future acts of violence. This in turn leaves of his supporters open to excessive monitoring and arrests via the Patriot Act. (You know they are looking for an excuse anyhow)."
---It is no longer pre-emptive, granted I dont believe is should start as open bloodshed at this point, but armed forces enforcing actual constitutional law I believe should be making the criminals answer for their crimes. Via arrest and legal proceedings that are back by courts who act in a constitutional manner out of fear of the reprocutions of backing the criminals
2. The protests of MLK and Gandi have proven that non-violence works. Why is this? Because if a "less armed" force becomes violent with an "overwhelming force" they are just asking to be slaughtered. Does anyone here really believe a RP army could defeat a national guard unit much less the US Armry - Get Real!!
---Just as other historical events have proven vice versa, nothing is certain. What is proven and set in stone is never in history has an occupiing army ever defeated local army/guarilla forces. That is eactly what would happen here. Iraq in would look like a picnic for our military in comparrison. So i short yes no doubt at all, but you assume it would only be Ron Paul people which is very wrong and a truely commical underestimation as to the forces that our military would be against.
3. Once you initiate violence, not only do you implicitly invite retaliatory violence, you give up your biggest and best weapon which is - REASON!
---Once you punch the bully back he learns his reign as king is over. Once you grow a spine and stand up you earn respect and support. The oppressed are many and wide and when it comes to the time most will support the ones who will fight and will protect what they also believe in but are to scared to fight for.
Now when it come the defensive acts of violence THAT is a whole different ball game!
----A hundred years ago it would have been defense even then. It is long past due.
The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare
Bare arms:)
I, too, support the right of women to bare arms and anything else they wish to bare -- especially if they are good looking.
Drain the swamp!
I endorse this thread 100%
Anyone who tries to tell me violence is good can fuck off
if you want violence be my guest and do so at your own risk but why come advocate it on a website read by tens of thousands a month?
if you want to create chaos and rot in jail or be killed be my guest but why try and involve others? for what purpose?
anyone who cries about violence or armed rebellion is retarded. Rebellion dosent remove tyrants Rebellion installs tyrants. wake up people
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Action is what defines men
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Action is what defines men
Let's take a poll
for this jackass.
1. Who here on the DP advocates a violent revolution ("chaos")?
2. Who here on the DP advocates defending yourself and your family?
There is a huge difference MickeyFuck...most, if not all, the posts in this thread advocate #2.
"We dare not forget that we are heirs of that first revolution" -JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERLtsBIqDg
no deliverance. fuck you. A BIG FUCK YOU TO YOU
did I pee on your pillow last night you little jerkoff
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Action is what defines men
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Action is what defines men
Ahh...what's wrong,
you didn't like my little poll; or did you read all of the responses in this whole thread and realized that most, if not all, of the responses were advocating self-defense; or did you realize that this thread is pointless, and was only posted to cause division?
If you don't like my poll...I will add a #3 just for you and sheeple like you:
3. Who here on the DP would like to just cower in a corner of your house as
THEY come to round you, and your family, up to transport you to one of
the newly refurbished FEMA camps?
Feel better?!
"We dare not forget that we are heirs of that first revolution" -JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERLtsBIqDg
hmmmm?
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Violence is the only answer when you are being loaded
into a truck with your neighbours, friends and family members.
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double post , whoops
double post , whoops :)
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first off STOP A MOMENT AND THINK!!!
are you familiar with the shot heard around the world??
if not THEN GO HERE AND SEE WHAT IT WAS...
http://www.earlyamerica.com/shot_heard.htm
without the ability..to stand up with violence we will not be a free nation!! NOR would we ever had been one. The ability to over through our government is what keeps us somewhat free. (ie not in a fema camp..or in a slave labor camp)
and while I do not think that random acts of violence will get us anywhere...organized and well planned violence will!! That is the problem.. you must be well organized and think through the violent act... THAT IS WHAT THE COLONISTS DID....that is what we must do....
George Washington would advocate violence by now..as he did in the above mini movie(that is why he led the colonists to victory in our Revolutionary war!!)..as would have any of the following people...ALL SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.... SO WHY SHOULD WE???
Confusion?
I wonder if we're not confusing 'violence' as a means of active agression or violence in response to physical self defense. The 'pen' is a usually more effective weapon, don't you think when it comes to changing government? An Idea or Thought , as someone already pointed out, is much more threatening. Is not the main goal of this website to recruit new members and keep in united communication the already existing members? Well it won't be the talk of "Violence" that will draw more people (except maybe the warmongers and psychotics) it will be the strategy of ideas, new and/or old, based on knowledge and truth that will swell the numbers. "Non-obedience" is not violent nor passive. (Gandhi) I don't believe Ron Paul ever advocated the use of force or "armed" Revolution as his aim for dissent.
We should all prepare for
We should all prepare for all possible situations. The times call for it.
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When they come to your house Ralph
don't worry if I am in the area, I will shoot them for you.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
I appreciate that Dude!
I grew up in the country hunting and fishing but have not owned a gun for years. However, I'm fixing to move back to the country and planning on getting a gun as soon as possible.
We Should Disallow Violence
When all governments do.
However, that is not to say that anyone should advocate violence. It would be foolish, however, to swear to not defend family and homeland against the violent.
“Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. Government is force; like fire it is a dangerous servant -- and a fearful master.” —George Washington, 1797
The tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson The United States of America,
Beat the hell out of the violence trolls ;-)
Yes, I know what you're saying. Violence should be a last resort. Buying guns now is responsible because that window could close shut. But grabbing your AR15 and charging the White House or Federal Reserve will only rally Americans *against* our cause.
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This is a troll,
a red herring, a straw man.
Misrepresent what people are saying and then knock it down. A familiar tactic of the propagandist.
I sincerely believe that nobody here is advocating initiating violence. If they are, I part company with them.
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I agree!
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I like that one.
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I guess you are OK with giving up gun rights then?
If you are REALLY serious about disavowing violence, you won't need them anyway, right?
Your Obamessiah loves you!
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Oh no, Since becoming involved with the RP I have come to be a
strong supporter of the right to bear arms.
You were not a supporter
You were not a supporter before?
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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater
http://militantjeffersonian.com
"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
Well I was always a supporter
But never really fully appreciated its importance. The collective wisdom of the founding fathers was indeed amazing.
We'd still be speaking cockney listening to you !
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson