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I can't wait to kick some
ass, it is in my blood, it is what makes me who I am. If the bullets fly, don't look for me hiding in my basement, look for the nearest foxhole with the crazed faced man laying in muddy water up to his neck- that will be me.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
Wow, Cameron
I read the whole thread and it is a very interesting discussion. Not sure that I could add much to it one way or the other. I sure hope we can find some common ground to build a better future. I don't have any answers. I do plead that I am a reactionary. When it comes to illegal wars, questions concerning 9-11, political leaders from both sides who treat the voters as pests. Well, there's a lot of stuff that I react to and I think it is natural to want to be prepared for the unexpected. I guess it is a survival desire. There have always been injustice, poverty, war and death. I guess when I heard Dr. Paul in the debates it was the first time I heard anyone actually tell the truth and it was just so refreshing. Peace Patriot
Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.
Cameron..."These are the times that try men's souls."
These words were written in December 23, 1776 from "The Crisis" by Thomas Paine.
Paine continues:
"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated".
I believe that America is in the crisis for the very freedom, liberties, and independence that was won so long ago and now it seems needs to be won back again. We are not mindless, brain-dead, zombies. We are indeed reacting to what is happening in this country. And so what is the problem with that?
Well said Steve!
Lets help to focus on that which brings us together and solution based dialogue...not that which divides! We ARE in a most serious crisis and must stop our petty squabbling !! FOCUS ON LIBERTY AND SAVING OUR REPUBLIC!!!
"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857.
"Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave fast enough to be a new source of energy independence."~ samthurston
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Cameron_DeHart it is time for you to s...
Freedom is not FREE!!
See that you are your own worst enemy. To look at others before looking within yourself is just a way to hell. Whats more, to look at others before looking within yourself screws your family, extended family(which is the daily paul members), your friends, your country and eventually praising everything wrong in this country.
Take a breather and go outside. Look at the sun/moon. Know that what you have been taught is not in line with the well being of this country or the world. Take a moment and look at your child, nephew, niece, grandchild. Look in thier eyes and tell me YOU are right and they are wrong.
If you can do this I will never make another comment and you will be proven a Savior. Otherwise, you will be known as Cameron_DeHart of no consequences to taking up air on this planet.
It is time to find God, Allah, the Light, Science or whatever you believe and make a differnece.
Bless your soul, and I hope you find the light of your inner being before you give in to all the dark forces that have already lost this battle before the fighting really starts.
PEACE!
Jim
Freedom is not FREE!!
My response down below got too thin, so I will reiterate here.
I am not dividing America into groups. I am merely pointing out those groups.
Cameron, as someone that
Freedom is not FREE!!
subscribes to the individual, I would love to introduce you to an individual in my town that would give you a new outlook on all of your asumptions. Just e-mail me an I will give you a true American that counts in my eyes!
I promise this guy will change yours!
Freedom is not FREE!!
I prefer to be called...
an ACTIONARY. There is a difference. Please define me properly, if you wish to insult me. Assert Your Authority
Assert Your Authority
Sheeptionaries
Output.
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
secularright.org
It seems like Cameron wants to cherry pick from Ron Paul's agenda. I guess we all do this to a certain extent. Still I think it's fairly obnoxios to embrace what you like about Dr. Paul's (our) message. (Peace, civil-liberties, non-intervention). And then not only jetisson the parts you don't like, (the right to life, the right to the fruits of your labor) but also label those who do endorse these ideals "reactionaries".
I didn't support Chuck Baldwin and it's true there is a Bible-thumping element in the Constitution Party. Still as a secular conservative I think you can onlt judge the candidate on his campaign and I never considered it excessively Bible thumping. I thought it was fairly pro-liberty.
Speaking of the secular right. John Derbyshire (Lone Ron Paul supporter at National Review) started a new blog yday. secularright.org.
Of course most people cherry
Of course most people cherry pick from Ron Paul's plate since he crossed both Libertarian and Republican lines, he attracted a wider audience. As a former registered Libertarian, I glommed onto the comments Ron made that fit right into Libertarian philosophy, and I'm sure the same thing happened with Republicans on the fence. Actually, Ron's sharpening and broadcasting his religious opinions forced me to re-register as an Independent and drop my support for him.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
I'm a Reactionary and a Progressive
Progressive towards a more free and peaceful nation and world.
Reactionary against those who work to take away freedoms and initiate force.
The one dimensional political spectrum is FALSE like your mom's teeth.
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I'm tired of the: Chuck
I'm tired of the:
Chuck Baldwin theocrats who believe America is an explicitly Christian nation and that gays and abortionists are evil.
Militiamen who tote their guns in front of their computers but dont have the balls to actually do something.
The reactionary constitutionalists who think the constitution is a living document that is more important than equality and human rights.
The racists who think America is a white nation and think brown people dirty it up.
Anti-immigration protestors who have never seen a map of Texas before 1836.
Historic revisionists.
Anarchists.
If Ameica were an
explicitly Christian nation the argument of Gay marriage and Abortion would not exist. The Government by the Creator is a government of Freedom of Choice. The Creator gives us the Right of Choice, to chose right or wrong, and it is in those choices that we learn right from wrong. This IS how our Constitution was created, unfortunately it is no longer followed. The Majority decides what privileges we each have, and we exchange our rights for these privileges. The Framers intent was to prevent the Majority from dictating the Minority, but this is EXACTLY what Democracy has accomplished. It is these misguided "Christians" that have taken the very thing that the Creator intends us to live by, Freedom.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" Bugs Bunny
"Scwewy Wabbit!" Elmer Fudd
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And they are tired of your
And they are tired of your statist rhetoric. Socialism doesn't work douchebag.
1.Chuck Baldwin theocrats who believe America is an explicitly Christian nation and that gays and abortionists are evil.
Chuck Baldwin would uphold the Constitution. Period. Doesn't like gambling, gays or drugs, but would leave it up to the states to decide.
2.Militiamen who tote their guns in front of their computers but dont have the balls to actually do something.
Just give Obama a little time to cater to douchebags like you policy wise and you'll be begging for the militia men to do something.
3.The reactionary constitutionalists who think the constitution is a living document that is more important than equality and human rights.
All men are created equal. You own your life, and no matter how bad I want to end it, I don't have the right to. No matter how bad i want to beat you down and take your stuff, I don't have the right to. No matter how bad i want to make you my slave that will toil for me as I live off the fruits of your labor, I don't have the right to. So please, don't try to elect people to do those things on your behalf against me douchebag. That's going back to the ways of old.....tyranny....it's been around since the dawn of man. Get with the program bud. The philosophy of Liberty is where it's at.
4.The racists who think America is a white nation and think brown people dirty it up.
About the same as white people full of self loathing rather than recognizing that the individual is the largest minority.
5.Anti-immigration protestors who have never seen a map of Texas before 1836.
Talking about going back to the old....LOL......look who's calling the kettle black. That battle was fought long ago. Time to catch up to modern day times bro.
6.Historic revisionists.
you mean like the ones that say FDR saved us from the Depression, that lincoln fought the civil war over slavery, and that collectivism actually works??? riigggggggggggght.
7.Anarchists.
You talk about how you miss the REAL libertarians..................ummmmm what the F**K do you think the people who started the Libertarian Party WERE douchehole???
Jeez, what a cretinous blob of worthless statist garbage you are.
Didn't sound like a statist to me...
he sounded more like a humanist. What's wrong with that, Neo?
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
Cameron?
Where you been?
It ain't 1836, 1865, 1913, 1960, or even 1984 anymore, quit trying to be a victim and do for yourself, the response to every problem isn't the other guy is racist.
I don't dislike you because of your skin color or ethnicity, I dislike you because you are a nit wit. You may be a white guy like me, you may be a pink skinned green haired antelope with the ability to type for all I know.
But, I will still support your right to be a nit wit as long as your nit witiness doesn't infringe on my rights.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
Haha...
are "pink skinned green haired antelope"(s) in season!!!
"We dare not forget that we are heirs of that first revolution" -JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERLtsBIqDg
Only if they are
Unrepentant nit wits as well.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
I hate dumb poeple...
"We dare not forget that we are heirs of that first revolution" -JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERLtsBIqDg
freedom lovers see no race
freedom lovers see no race or religion.......
If you say that you dont see
If you say that you dont see race, then you ignore that effects of the actions of people that do see race.
Jabberwocky.
That was a real tongue twister of politically correct crapola.
Neither unrepentant racists nor P.C. race-baiters like yourself belong in this movement. Race issues are collectivist issues. Those who obsess over them are collectivists.
As for your hatred of the Tenth Amendment, that voids any possibility that you have anything relevant to say in a largely constitutionalist movement. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments are good, not evil.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Entertain this idea... Group
Entertain this idea...
Group A = people who dont see race, what you call 'individualists'
Group B = people who see race, but not in a negative light, rather they embrace diversity, what you would call 'collectivists'
Group C = Minorities, nonwhites, non-Christians, foreigners, etc.
Group D = People who see race in a negative light, are 'racist', and oppress minorities, and the rest of Group C.
Just because Group A doesnt see race, that doesnt mean that Group D no longer sees race, too. Group D actively oppresses Group C, not because there is an actual difference between races, but because of their perceived differences. Group B, who embraces racial diversity (me), defends Group C from Group D.
Meanwhile, you guys in Group A, who are blind to race, and consequently are blind to the oppression that occurs on the basis of race, refuse to step forward and defend Group C. On the contrary, you ignore Group D, call Group C a bunch of whiners, and shout down Group B for trying to do something. You have all put yourselves in a bubble. And you can't do shit in your bubble when the rest of the world is outside playing.
Camron. this post embarrasses you. Look at your own comments a
above. You posit Groups A, B, and D as actors, good (your declared group) and bad or complicit (your accusation against some here.)
But you declare group C as passive non-actors, defenseless victims. Group C apparently has no bigotry, are not complicit in injustices, are unable to act because they are in the minority. They helplessly await you heroes in Group B to give them justice and equality.
Did you absorb the reality of our recent election? The majority chose to elect a "non-white." many in fact voted for O. simply because he's black, since he had little difference with McCain in policy.
Of all voting groups I am confident the Ron Paul supporters were least concerned with race of all voters in this country. What we care most about is freedom, and anyone of any race or religion who is a true freedom candidate (with the sound depth of understanding and courage to fight consistently for individual rights for all) will get our support.
There are posters on the DP who appear racist and have misundertood the principles of individual liberty. But they are very much in the minority.
Most of us respect individuals of any diverse background and want all people to enjoy the equal opportunities of freedom.
You really need to look at other voting blocks where you'll find flouishing sites of collectivist and racist thinking, whether pro diversity but still viewing group C as inadequate to compete in a free system and needing special helping hands from the Big Government Force patrols, or whether like yourself suspicious of anyone who thinks people of all groups are competent individuals who will be far more successful with legal controls off their backs sol they can get up and fly as high as they choose.
I think the question here
Fortune Favors the Bold
is what you mean by defend. As you know, it is generally thought in libertarian circles that the use of coercive force to correct a problem, know matter how well intentioned, will either result in the problem becoming worse or lead to other unintended negative consequences.
Fortune Favors the Bold
I have tried to fight racism
I have tried to fight racism and defend minorities on this board. I havent used violence.
I would say as far as violence goes, sending troops to Kansas to protect black students from violent white people was justified.
this statement should be true regardless of color.
we dont get our rights by what group or groups we belong to. we get them as individuals from our creator. or something like that.
try this instead:
I would say as far as violence goes, sending troops to Kansas to protect students from violent people was justified.
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Fortune Favors the Bold
I think most of us agree here that if you have to have a government, a legitimate role is to defend against violence.
Fortune Favors the Bold
That is what I have been
That is what I have been trying to justify here, but I am called a collectivist. I want people to realize that we would all love to say that race doesnt matter. But there are people out there who think race does matter, and they want to kill, harm, or oppress people that are not like themselves. Something must be done to protect those other people. As Madison warned in Fed Paper 10, we must have a republican system, so that the majority cannot oppress the minority.