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What is God? Who are We? Will politics ever give us peace of mind? If you don't have peace of mind, are you truly free?

When debating the existence of god, perhaps the most important step is the one that gets overlooked the most often, and by both atheists and theists: defining what is meant by the concept 'god.' You can't debate the existence of something unless everyone is clear what it is they are talking about; otherwise, people might be talking about completely different things.

Most people in this country were raised to believe that God is separate from them, but God is said to be Omnipresent, that means that God is not separate from you. Could it be that God has been living within us this whole time and we weren't even aware of it?

God is much like the breath. Everything begins and ends with the breath. Without our breath we could not be having this conversation. The inhale, retention, and exhale is the simplest thing going on in our lives, so much so that we hardly even pay attention to it most of the time. Perhaps it goes to show us there is a deeper part of ourselves that seems to be operating involuntarily, but yet it is something we can access voluntarily when we want to. If God is Love and Love is giving something without expecting anything in return then God does indeed Love us very much by giving us the breath of life in the first place. Conscious breathing is an option but even still the breath could leave us anytime and we'd be powerless to keep it from going. That's what God is.

Jesus preached that the power of God is within everyone and that we too could become workers of miracles. He wanted to show us that we are indeed more than we think we are. All the time we are thinking who is God, where is God? But the definition of God is all pervading.

Whatever you think about in life you will automatically identify with it or identify against it. When it comes to thinking about God, Unconditional Love, Forgiveness, Non-attachment, Humility, and so forth, those are qualities we can cultivate that inevitably lead us to warmer friendlier more agreeable societies and cultures.

American government and media and anything else tainted by The Bank of England and British Commonwealth have programmed us citizens to stay silent, to stay within our shells and our comfort zones, wrapped up and isolated like in some cocoon. It is up to us to start realizing our potential, to realize that with God's help we can become better persons and live happier lives. Jesus showed us what this life could be like, but who among us can say they are truly walk in his ways.

The apocalypse is not the end of the world via some doomsday type scenario though there certainly exists a danger of that magnitude given our technology. Apocalypse is the death of the Ego. Revelation is God-Realization, full spiritual communion with God, an inner transformation of your self. The revelation of your own Soul which you have covered up with your ignorance.

Finding God is also about Finding your True Self, because who you really are is the Light of God, a manifestation of God. You are God, you are not separate from God, the You that is God is not greater than God and not less. We forget this because of endless thinking going on in our minds and because we are always thinking our identity is solid and real, but it is not, it is just more layers of who you think you are. It is concepts such as these that provide the basis for Socrates' famous encouragement to know thy self.

The journey of Self-realization is the same journey as God-realization. The soul is like electricity powering different light bulbs. We all have the same soul, there's only one soul. The soul is existence, consciousness, bliss absolute, and unconditional ecstatic Love. That is what we are or at least what we could become. How many of us will choose the inward path to Salvation and Realiztion and how many will continue to keep searching for liberation outside somewhere in the external world of duality and politics?

If you want to see a real transformation occur in this country it has to start with You. Transform yourself, remove your negative qualities, lead a disciplined lifestyle, get in touch with your inner self every day. Get in touch with your breath, revere it. Use it as your tool to help control the mind and to cultivate virtuous qualities.

As regards the Ron Paul movement, libertarian ideals, and politics in general, they are all valid things to be active in, but we must understand that politics can't save us, it can't give us the true freedom we seek. We will never be free so long as we are afraid. Fear is slavery. Ignorance is slavery. The opposite of fear is love.

Few people in our culture take the time to meditate, instead most are always consuming more information which will always be relatively true. They want to know the absolute truth about what's going on with their lives and their reality but the absolute truth cannot be understood by the thinking mind alone. It's too tough to break through the layers of ignorance which have clouded their minds.

Many of us have broken free of these artificial models of reality apparent within our minds by good fortune or good graces, but there comes a time when we must continue working to liberate ourselves, to realize that we are more than who we think we are. We can feel Love for others, but can others make us feel Love. Does not Love arise in you? You make your own love, you make your own life. Live a life of virtue, of self-realization, of god-realization.

Revere this life that you have been given. Let your light shine so that others may also be not afraid to shine. Let your virtuous qualities manifest themselves and set a beautiful example. When everyone can begin to live a life of inner transformation, it will be reflected in the external world, in our society, our culture, and our politics. Then and only then.

The problems we have created cannot be solved by the same state of mind that created them, we have to go beyond, we must peel the onion of our minds and our conception of reality and dive deep into the ocean of our inner selves to discover the buried treasure hiding within us all along, our real identity. Then our thirst for knowledge, happiness, and bliss will be realized just like seeing a candle in a dark room. You don't need another candle or a flashlight to see a candle it is self-evident.

Finding God, Finding your deeper non-intellectual non-ego self is akin to that. God is in everyone and everything, revere life, revere your neighbors and love them, God is within them. You and they are breathing the same breath because of God's grace. A higher power, the breath, is in control. Learn to consciously control the breath and control your mind to focus inward . Remember that you are the Ocean not just a little wave. Peace.

Blessings to All on This Happy Thanksgiving. Be thankful for you Life and for Your breath. Life is a gift. Treat it as such and you will be rewarded. It is in giving that we receive. Om Tat Sat Om Amen.




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OK, Dale in Oklahoma

My point is proven further. Who's pushing what agenda?
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Truther?
No, sir!

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we are all Jesus if we want it

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G-d is ...

Many things to many people yet the same..

Judeo Christian...
A complete balance of.
Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omipresent, Immutable, Perfectly Rightous, Just, Love, Truth, Grace. Joy, Bliss

Doaist, Budhist, Naturalist...Energetically..

The flow of electricity with no resistance and no polarity.... Wu Wie..from which came Tai Chi, grand circulation which then diferentiated into Ying / Yang (polarity). (light / dark ..fat / thin...pretty.. ugly.. good..bad...greedy..selfish.)

The Alpha and Omega...Begining and End of Everything.
The Source..One, Indistructable and Self Existent Cause.

G-d Manifest in and through creation; but is not absorbed by it nor does it represent the entirety of G-d ...

G-d is beyond Space / Time..

Beyond Knowing and Comprehension.

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OR..God is a spirit and expressed through nature / plants / animals / man / and the universe... Like Many of our Founders..
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Or God is the Unified Field.

Non-Motion below the hidden symetry of gravity units from which everything flows..

One Voice, One Vision, One Love ~ Liberty.
Good Thoughts, Good Words , Good Deeds.
That is the Ron Paul rEVOLution Creed.

One Louv. ;-)..

One Voice, One Vision, One Love ~ Liberty.
Good Thoughts, Good Words , Good Deeds.
That is the Ron Paul rEVOLution Creed.

One Louv. ;-)..

You are very wise. Let the

Freedom is not FREE!!

masses understand that nothing government can do will solve anything. Only looking inward can achieve what you may want.

Life is a guess and sometime you guess wrong. Then you repeat it!

Freedom is not FREE!!

In Hawaii

Some there believe the breath is the soul. The people noticed something peculiar about the white man, he is a shallow breather. The indigenous peoples fill their lungs completely. This lead some to believe the white man has no soul. Hence the term, haolie. I have read before that eventually all would learn to fill their lungs completely. I have yet learn to do this unconsciously. Perhaps I will be able to do so one day.

God is Truth.

God has always been what man has not understood. The Sun, the elements of the Earth, Celestial bodies, etc, have all been worshipped at one time or another. But as man's knowledge increased, God became one God, which made more sense, so we have a single God. Man's increase in knowledge was an increase in the Truth of our situation.

God is the ultimate Truth. God did create the heaven and the Earth, in seven days? I don't know about that, but I will tell you that I have had a keen interest in science all my life, and the more I learn about the coincidences of science, the more I understand, that God is far greater than we can comprehend.

Our souls, were born of the light of truth which is God, and if we live our lives properly, our souls shall return to the light of truth and be richer for it.

PUT THE GLASSES ON!

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God said he is the GREAT I

God said he is the GREAT I AM. read your bible you will learn all about him.

."When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"Ineptocracy: a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confisc

Sygnus....you state..."

Most people in this country were raised to believe that God is separate from them, but God is said to be Omnipresent, that means that God is not separate from you. Could it be that God has been living within us this whole time and we weren't even aware of it? "

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Yes I agree with your statement above...for scripture says....

" For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. [For all things originate with Him and come from Him; all things live through Him, and all things center in and tend to consummate and to end in Him.] To Him be glory forever! Amen (so be it)." (Romans 11:36 amplified bible).

Where I disagree with you is in this next statement of yours......

"The apocalypse is not the end of the world via some doomsday type scenario though there certainly exists a danger of that magnitude given our technology. Apocalypse is the death of the Ego. Revelation is God-Realization, full spiritual communion with God, an inner transformation of your self. The revelation of your own Soul which you have covered up with your ignorance.

Finding God is also about Finding your True Self, because who you really are is the Light of God, a manifestation of God. You are God, you are not separate from God, the You that is God is not greater than God and not less. We forget this because of endless thinking going on in our minds and because we are always thinking our identity is solid and real, but it is not, it is just more layers of who you think you are. It is concepts such as these that provide the basis for Socrates' famous encouragement to know thy self.

The journey of Self-realization is the same journey as God-realization. "
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Now I will explain why I disagree....the very word Apocalypse in the Greek means to "unveil, or reveal"....and this unveiling has nothing to do with revealing the SOULish realm found within a person but has everything to do with the revealing of Jesus Christ within the person.

Most of what you present is New Age doctrine....and I will agree that there are many new agers that have been enlightened to the truth of the Light that came into the world that lighteth every man (John 1:9).... however those that are followers of Christ have come to understand that the SELF life must be put to death so that the SEED of CHRIST can come forth through the EARTHY GROUND that man be.

Old adam must die....you call this ego/soul.....

The flesh(soul) wages war against the Spirit....and it is the EGO/SOUL/HEART... that is deceitful above all things....and this is why I put no trust in my Soul but only in the Spirit of Christ that liveth in me...and as I follow Him and embrace the cross the old nature of adam dies so that the new nature of the resurrected Christ comes forth and lives through this earthen vessel of which I am....

I want to be so dead to self that only Jesus Christ is seen through my eyes...his voice heard through my words...his presence felt through my touch....

Thank you Sygnus for a sincere honest discussion.

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Jesus is the saviour of the WHOLE WORLD, "As in Adam all die, so too in Christ ALL shall be made alive." (ICor.15:22) All means all. The pagan 'hell' of literal fire & eternal torment is a lie and is SPIRITUAL TERRORISM. http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/blog

I agree with your assessment

But it appears we disagree because we are looking at it from two different relative perspectives. You have had your experiences and I have had mine, they have shaped they way we see things and there's no getting around that when it comes to discussion which can only take place within the confines of words and concepts.

If I understand you correctly you are saying that your definition of Soul is inclusive of Flesh and Ego and Heart. I see the soul as what is known as Sat-Chit-Ananda. It is beyond flesh, beyond ego, beyond heart yet without the soul all three of these things would never be.

What I espouse is nothing that I have come up with on my own. I study the Vedas, The Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, Vedic lifestyles and culture and Yoga: the art and science of merging one's individual consciousness with God consciousness. I am only speaking from a limited perspective of what I think I understand about these subjects.

Awakening to the Soul, in my conception of things is also to awaken to Christ Consciousness. The Self and God are one and always have been one. It is our thinking mind that governs the ego self, the false self, the self of who you think you are.That is the false self, the partial self. That self is like looking at the moon thinking the light is coming from the Moon, but in actuality it is reflecting the light of the Sun.

God is not finished with his creation because he is creating through us as we speak. Every word we utter is the talk of God, every breath we take is the talk of God. Can you see how having this conversation is itself and act of creation? Without God, without the breath, none of this would be possible.

Perhaps noting that there is a distinction between the True Self (the light of God, Christ Consciousness, The Soul) and the Thought Self (The Ego, the individual separate identity, the sinner) might make a little more sense. Perhaps not.

Thank you for your comments and ideas concerning this subject.

Unity through diversity.

Thank you

for your lovely thoughts on this Thanksgiving. For those who believe and those who don't it's ok. Life is a personal journey. If we should meet one day at a stop light smile because there could be security cameras. LOL Just a little silly humor. Peace

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Thank you

for that gentle reminder!

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

I never liked

the idea of anyone looking down on me or over my shoulder, whether it be a loving God or not.

In Taoism, the highest good is *like* water; it loves and nourishes all things without Lording it over them.

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

Love vibration within the pure innermost light within you

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God is...

...a kindly old man, supremely wise, all loving, and perfectly benevolent...

...who commands us to kill heretics, homosexuals, and herbalists ("witches") ...

...murdered the first born of Egypt because of the sin of Pharaoh, and yet left Pharaoh on his throne to commit more depredations against his chosen people...

...lured Pharaoh's army into the Red Sea so he could drown them all, even the lowly boots who "vere chust followink oorders"...

...sends hurricanes and tornadoes to kill innocent men, women, and babies...

...created syphilis, cancer, meningitis, and mosquitoes...

...programs men to reach their sexual peak at the age of seventeen and women to reach theirs at thirty-seven...

...and makes it damned near impossible to scratch my own back satisfactorily...

...because he loves us.

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God never said this! Man whom wrote the Bible said this. How

Freedom is not FREE!!
Prof de la Paz!

How can we as beings of infinite light and goodness believe anything that man has written. All connections to a god or whatever you believe must come from within. God never created any illnesses, plague, war, unjustice, problems in society. Man created these things. What you forget is that God gave free will.

Sometimes I think that I do not want free will but then what would we have. We are given the chance to F things up but it is also our obligation to fix it. If we do not then earth and mankind will stop.

We are on the verge and nothing can stop it other than caring and loving souls. If you are other than that, then you are the problem.. We must listen to the children. Not the college graduates but the little children.

I truly hope that YOUR beliefs bless you but nothig will stop what is coming. Only the light will prevail. It will take patriots, killers, whiz kids, mothers, fathers, and even the light to stop us from going overboard.

Freedom is not FREE!!

Such Cynicism

Your comments are appreciated and they are valid sentiments of a cynic observer but they are also just mere projections of your mind. No one is innocent when it comes to dying. Physical death is like waking up from a dream. Life is eternal, the breath is your life and it will come and go. Every breath is life and death.

You think that these things are bad because you fear death, to fear death is to not understand death. You fear that which you don't understand, without understanding something still you pass judgment upon it making up your mind so to speak. You are passing judgment on what reality is with only a very limited partial understanding. See if you can look at things more than one way, stand from a different place and take a look at it.

You are the one creating your reality from where you stand, try to move around once in awhile and get out of your comfort zone. Take a deep breath, are you not grateful for that?

Claiming someone does not

Claiming someone does not "understand" death or what's after it without having any means of doing so yourself i find rather strange.

With Humility

I will not claim that I solely have the means to completely understand death, but I will claim that we all have the means to understand it, but having the means and utilizing them are two different things. If God is omniscient and God is within you then it is possible to understand what God understands, but first you must clean the mirror of your mind so that it reflects the light of God.

However, this conversation is all just projection of our minds. You are projecting that I am claiming that I do understand death even though I did not specifically lay a claim to that. While I can see how you came to that conclusion given the content of what I stated, you are insinuating.

We are in the same predicament. We are all going to die, but why should we think of death as a disease? It's a natural phenomenon. What's not to understand about that?

"If God is omniscient and

"If God is omniscient and God is within you then it is possible to understand what God understands,"
That's a very big if.

"We are all going to die, but why should we think of death as a disease? It's a natural phenomenon. What's not to understand about that?"
It's perfectly understandable, you are dragging more into it than nature though.

Perhaps

This is a work in progress. This is creation in progress. Anything is possible.

Perhaps you might be interested in watching a movie called "The Fire Yogi." you can get it through netflix. It is a documentary about a Swami who lays down in a roaring fire without getting burned. By all measures of reality especially in a western sense, this should simply not be possible. But the evidence provided by the video will prove to you otherwise, but only if you allow it to, it is still always your choice to make believe what you want to believe.

Perhaps anything yes, but

Perhaps anything yes, but how is this meaningful.

I watched the trailer for the movie, but I'm not that impressed.
I never saw the flames actually 'touching' his body.
It seems to be a combination of walking on hot coal, stuntman type of stuff and magic tricks, which I'm all somewhat familiar with.

Thank you.

Drawing conclusions about something you haven't even watched. Some people just prefer to scratch around on the surface without wanting to go deeper. There's nothing wrong with that but it is what it is.

Do you always make up your mind about movies and documentaries simply by viewing the trailer? Perhaps you've never even watched a movie, just the trailers. Maybe you also don't actually read books either, you just read the back of the book and that's good enough for you to make up your mind.

I am indifferent to whether or not you believe what's in the documentary or whether you view it or not but don't pass judgment on something without viewing it in its entirety and expect me to respect your input on the subject.

I'm not drawing conclusions

I'm not drawing conclusions per se, I'm just giving you an early opinion of what I can watch, as I have no means of watching the entire movie soon.

I simply expect the trailer to show the most impressive video of him in fire, and while more than half of it deals with it, it's quite the opposite, so what am I to think?

If I have the means I always watch or read something before passing judgement, and usually much more about it.

"No one is innocent"

Kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out?

Come the Apocalypse!
Come the Jubilee!
Take us home, massa!

Death by slow torure is just a temporay inconvenience.

"Bring 'em on!"

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Thank you

For such an enlightening response. I can really see that you were listening to what I was saying. You were really reading between the lines there.

Lol

The other possibility is that God created a world

that is not yet complete nor perfect. However, there are evolutionary signs that change is still in progress and he could either be resting after all that work and now getting ready for the fine tuning stage.

"resting"?

So much for omnipotent.

"created a world that is not ... perfect"?

So much for omnibenevolent.

I would caution you against using that "E" word too freely, you could be aligning yourself with the heretics.

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West of 89
a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr

It's a work in progress!

!

Navel Gazing

bores me.

Read your Bible.