Canadian Politics for a minute , interesting stuff here.
Submitted by sentinel on Sat, 11/29/2008 - 07:45
For all the Canadians in here , I just heard that Stephen Harper may be overthrown by the liberals and New democrats on a coalition agreement of the two parties to merge in an overthrow of canadian parliament.
For me this is great news . I would never have voted for Harper he's as bad as Bush.
This is a very pressing issue since they have before december 8th to overturn the vote as a non-confidence vote.
Most Canadians at least the enlightened ones know that Harper is a Bilderberg shill. Dion and Layton will make this happen , I'm sure of it.
He was marginalized just as Dr Paul was for his stance of troop withdrawls.
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Must have done something right.
In the midst of the worst recession since the great depression, Canada has a surplus. Can you seriously see Prime Minister Dion and Layton in charge at this time?
agreed. to a point.
at least he's not spending like a total idiot.
he could do more to cut our costs though.
uh...like stop spending money on foreign countries and bring our troops home.
however, a lot of things have nothing to do with him:
we have a lot of natural resources.
we have a good banking system.
we can thank the bankers
for the conservative banking system. Some banks did make mistakes last year but not so bad...some rough waters...easily forgotten....
others stayed way clear and kept up the profits
but then they are just being typical Canadians, they are afraid to take risks, sometimes it works for us
a very close friend of mine works in risk mangement for one of the big five in Toronto, we keep trying to get him back to BC.... but he's some kind of hero out there these days...
cw
is the waffle party still around?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waffle
waffle party with lots of maple syrup !
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~
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mmmm ...warm organic maple syrup
with fresh butter melting in it...
my senses are overwhelmed
cw
and maybe some grits... & torys
eh
HA!!
cw
cw
To compare Canadian politics
To compare Canadian politics with American politics is faulty. The branding of Americanisms and labeling of Canadian party platforms and policy agenda is a misrepresentation. Comparing Dion and his localized agenda to Ron Paul's love of American constitution and commitment to all Americans is a major stretch and the result of very confused thinking.
Reality Check
The two parties are planning to over throw the Harper government because of the current budget proposal to eliminate the $1.95 per vote subsidy to political parties. It would save $30 000 000 and Canada has an $800 000 000 surplus right now, that is expected to diminish to $100 000 000 next year. So the $30 million is significant in terms of maintaining a surplus instead of a deficit.
Actually Mr. Harper is an economist who has taken effective measures to keep Canada with a surplus because he saw the current recession coming and did something about it long ago. For this reason he is respected in the world. Action speaks louder than words, and his measures have been effective. Canada has a surplus.
He is not in favor of the NWO, and at the recent summits discouraged the move toward a global central banking system. His views are more in line with those of Ron Paul. He believes in free markets. The banks of Canada have some rules and guidelines; unlike the free for all that has taken place in the world with the resultant collapse.
Mr. Harper was elected by the people to be prime minister, wheres Mr. Dion and Mr. Layton were not elected for that job.
Harper's conservatives had under 39% of the vote..
He is only in power because there are so many other parties
A coalition between them would represent the majority of Canadians.
And about Harper being fiscally responsible, HA! He walked into a very good surplus situation and he is spending us into a deficit as fast as he can. He just keeps the tax breaks for the large corps coming, is all.
He is NOTHING like Ron Paul who stands for freedom. Harper stands for secretive government control.
EDIT and if Harper had been our Prime Minister in 2003, he told us we would have been in Iraq right along with your dubbya. Our then Prime Minister Jean Chretien was many things, but he was a patriotic Canadian and he knew what was up with Iraq.
cw
Can you
seriously imagine Prime Minister Dion??
HA! uh..well
now don't you pick on him.. he has a hearing disability..and he is WAY too polite
but no... I am waiting for Ignatieff to take over, at least we will have some fireworks
cw
looks as though the harper government...
....is backing down....http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/11/29/coalition.html
It wouldn't suprise me if had another election some time next year. With Bush out of office Harper will be on a very short leash.
That is actually a good move by Harper
It permits more competition in elections. Small parties like CAP and the Libertarian Party of Canada have been effectively shut out since that $1.95 thing was passed a few years ago.
It would be good to get it repealed.
uh how so?
how is NO funding better than a little?
What Harper is doing is striking at the heart of funding for all the other parties. His party gets the big bucks from corporations (one way or another) who are then richly rewarded. By keeping his October election call a secret then springing it on us, he really was playing a funding game. And who else is he going after at this time?
Well for instance he wants to reduce the amount seniors are allowed to take from their saving plans each year from $10.000 to $7,500. Talk about socialism. Could it be the banks asked him for that little token of his gratitude?
cw
Because
there is a min. amount of votes that a Party needs to receive in order to get the $1.95/vote. I think it is 1 million. So, because the LPC and CAP don't get that number, this law effectively subsidized the big establishment Parties that do (Greens, NDP, Liberals, Conservatives).
And, why are you defending this? Are you for socialized-election funding?
I was not very familiar with this item
until it came up in the conservative financial package.
I am not for socialist programs but as far as I can see the (neo)conservatives are owned by the media and for the masses, media exposure determines elections. Simply, they still believe what they see on TV. Harper gets far more coverage than is proportional and his picture is shown many times more often than pictures of other politicians in media coverage. I kept count.
In the result, Harper's supporters almost always speak in cliches, from the script. Actually Conservative governments have by far the worst record pf managing money in this country both federally and provincially, spending surpluses they inherit and plunging us into debt, time and again. But, they tell Canadians they are ones who are fiscally responsible, no explanation, just "we are the good guys" and way too many people believe them. No facts, just rhetoric.
Of course the conservative governments reward the media corporations with huge tax cuts and hire media cronies on rich government contracts to report "statistics" and trends" .
And of course, it is the media's favourite law firms and others close by who are contracted to draft various pieces of legislation.
I can name names.
So there is an imbalance. No corporation should ever get special benefit from the government coffers. But that is not reality.
Oh and guess who winds up with that 1.95 per voter for advertising?
cw
you're correct except for alberta conservatives.
good ol ralph did wonders. but you may argue alberta has a distinct advantage. but they did manage the money VERY well.
last i heard they are completely debt free and aren't running a deficit and gave money back to the people.
partial reality check coming back at ya.
stephen harper is TOTALLY nwo.
do some more research.
he is VERY pro nau. he is just another puppet. research what his statements were to the canadian public. look for the 'jellybean' comment. if you support liberty you won't find it amusing.
canada already is taking their marching orders from the eu. research: fintrac
agreed:
we have REALLY good banking and lending practices -- not due to the nwo but because as a whole we HATE risk. canadians overall are highly conservative (i don't mean politically) and suspicious by nature.
eg: even during the 'boom', people who wanted no money down mortgages had to PROVE credit and income and there was a limit on the amount that they would be approved for... unlike our neighbors south of the border.
eg: we've had deposit insurance for a very long time.
eg: we don't have the different banking structures like the usa does.
this is due to canadian mentality not nwo.
now if americans could somehow combine their kick ass stomach for risk and with some kick ass rules and guidelines ... they would put the world to shame on what they could accomplish. :)
Totally
That's kind of where we started.
But Harper is NWO and is selling out his own country with every breath.
agreed
Harper is totally NWO
he is using taxpayers money to build roads in Afghanistan so drug traffickers can use them and over 2000 Canadian troops there killing people is a national disgrace...
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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Harper is totally NWO - I second that
He has no respect for the Canadian people and he never did. He is a typical neo con. He is the master at keeping control of the government policies in his own little office and even his own party members dare not disagree with him. He is also the master of secret votes.
He called the last election is such a hurry (31 days I think) and against his own recently passed law of scheduled elections so that no one had the chance to organize a coalition against him. We tried with a vote strategically campaign, and ABC - anyone but conservative movement but a month is not enough time to get anything off the ground. The separatist Quebec party (the Bloc) is the spoiler but it looks like they might go along with this coalition.
Me? I am a member of CAP. Canadian Action Party... they have a website which documents many of Harper's policies for anyone who wants a look.
Finally a coalition of other Canadian parties is being talked about. I hope it is more than talk.
But one thing is true, the NAU was on the books before Harper came to power, and the liberals only response to questions about is "trust us". The real power in Canada is not held by politicians.
cw
That part
about Afghanistan also bothers me, but he was not the one to originally send troops.
As for being NWO he does not want a world central bank or government.
not true.
he only says that because he's politically savy. he would be slaughtered at the polls at the first opportunity and he knows it.
he wants whatever the nwo wants. he's just aware of how it needs to be presented to the public so we'll accept it.
canada is already getting some marching orders on our financial reporting requirements. dig a little deeper.
agreed
it was Paul Martin I think who first send troops to that hell hole...
I am worried that first European Union will create one central bank there in Germany thats what I hear from Europe.
After that it will be easier for NWO to solidify their power.
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57925480@N00/2660779139/sizes/l/
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http://www.libertypoet.com/
Twitter:
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
Maybe our troubling foreign policy
is just a symptom of our being parasitized by a ruling elite who do whatever they think will consolidate more power for themselves. Be wary of those bearing an olive branch in one hand and totalitarianism in the other hand.
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Dion a Libertarian? LOL
You are completely insane if you think that, A libertarian in favor of a Carbon TAX!!!! , Dion is a socialist and the reason they want to overthrow Harper ( who im no fan of) Is because he wont print money to give checks to everyone in Canada ( and run us into deficit) Also Harpers gonna get rid of taxpayer money being funnelled into political parties. Dion is Canada's Al Gore, calling him Libertarian minded is an insult!
Yea, I don't know why Sentinel says
that. I'm well aware of Dion. He is not close to being a libertarian.
I guess I don't know my Canadian politicians as well as american
I've only been here for a year sheesh :) what about celine dion is she libertarian hmmmmm???
I just know that Harper is Bilderberg trash and needs to be ousted.
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !