9/11 Truther Challenge - - Energy Weapons/Scalar Holograms vs. Thermate and REAL planes
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Today I was listening to the Dr. Carley Show on Republic Broadcasting who had as guest on her show, Andrew Johnson, a Brit who believes 9/11 was carried-out with Energy Weapons and Scalar Holograms, in the case of WTC1 and WTC2.
(I was on at the end of Hr 1)
I called in and told my story of actually witnessing the 2nd plane hit the South Tower as my wife, my sis-in-law and I were on the Brooklyn/Queens Expressway on the way to a project we were just beginning in Brooklyn for the area code changes (security systems had to be reprogrammed to dial 10-digits instead of 7)
We basically had a front-row seat of watching that plane bank-in and connect with WTC2.
I asked him point-blank, "Are you claiming this was a hologram we saw"?
He asked me back, "well, did you hear any sound"?........of which I said "no, because our windows were rolled-up".
Anyhow, I'd like to see a "friendly" debate between both sides of this issue.
I have an open mind about it, although I - at this point - do NOT believe the "space beam/hologram" theories over the more conventional explanation.
And what-up with this hurricane Erin that was right off the coast of NY as 9/11 was unfolding? Admittedly when these people bring it up, I don't remember hearing about this hurricane off the coast of NY, although apparently it was.
Anyhow, I would like to see a serious debate on this subject without all the name-calling and accusations of being trolls, etc.
And by the way - NEITHER side of this issue will ever know the full truth until there's a proper investigation and subsequent trials.
september clues points us in
september clues points us in the right direction
No super duper secret weapons on WTC 7...not a one
Just plain ol demo.
Not sure why scalars an lazo beams an disappearing stuff helps the folks who are trying to find out the truth.
Ain't a 47 story steel building falling in on itself on national TV because if some office fires in the middle floors the case you want to take to court?
Like isn't WTC 7 the one where you actually have a video of the guy shooting the other guy and you have the gun and 26 witnesses and fingerprints all over the place?
Ain't WTC 7 the lock?
Aren't all the amazin' ultra secret special never heard of it stuff that might have been there and might be here and might have happened then and might be happenin' now just a COLLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME....BROTHER?
Disappearing effing planes? What!?
Don't you just want to hitch yo pony up to the WTC 7 wagon and ride on down the road?
I interviewed five different leaders of the 9/11 movement years ago.
3000 dead people. Thousands more rescue people sick and dying and
They wanted to fight over plane holes.
They wanted to sell books.
They wanted to do TV interviews.
They wanted to SUE other 9/11 researchers.
Not one of them, sir, not one in five wanted to focus on WTC 7...they all wanted to scream and carry on about impossible to prove theories...when WTC 7 drops to the ground for NO EFFING REASON on national TV. Freakin' Dan freaking Rather says..."gee you know? That looks just like a demolition!" on CBS freaking news....BECAUSE IT WAS.....DUH.
This would explain why that in the last 7 years the 9/11 movement has achieved one thing and only one thing.
The 9/11 movement is owned by the powers that be just like everything else....This explains why the 9/11 movement has achieved NOTHING except make people want to leave the room.
Victory for the status quo....and "amazing magic never heard of before secret stuff that some guy knew about long ago and I know "they" have it and they used it and I am not sure what it is...."
Unify
Ive seen enough crappily done video tricks by the networks
(some that are alleged to be fake videos im not yet convinced are fakes- but Ive seen alot that I have no doubt were fakes) just WHY they had the need to doctor the footage I have no clue. Id need to really get a good look at what was possible with "space beams"or "holograms" in '01 before I could embrace that theory. Id be more inclined to beleive that what hit the 2nd tower was one of those missiles (the name escapes me at the moment) which bears a striking resemblance to a passenger plane, or a hijacked plane was actually used. For me though its smoke and mirrors- Im not so much worried about what hit or didnt hit the buildings as much as what caused them to come down- which I wholeheartedly believe was controlled demo explosives. Im open to any intelligent theory- my only sacred cow is bld 7. I will go to my grave sure that bld 7 was controlled demo.
Maybe it was a hologram
you saw. I find it alarming that CNN recently introduced a hologram technology. I would also contend that it was most likely a missile that hit both towers - watch "September Clues New", especially the NBC coverage of the second hit.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6407548186293238834...
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
For the record, what CNN has
For the record, what CNN has been showing is NOT a hologram. It is a simple (and poorly done) real-time special effect which is only visible to viewers. The interviewer has to look at a monitor off screen to see what is happening. It's dumb.
A real hologram would only be visible by viewing it through a substrate. CNN's effect is a "live" compositing trick.
Truthers are not only getting more paranoid, they are getting less real information into their thick skulls.
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Truther?
No, sir!
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
I also find it alarming
that people only believe what their government or the MSM is telling them and can't see the best proof there is - video evidence.
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
What about the jet I saw hit the South Tower on 9/11?
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Was that a hologram?
Where's the evidence that even REAL-time witnesses saw a hologram?
I'm all ears.
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Some people said
they "thought they saw a missile" - watch september clues.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6407548186293238834...
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
You know nothing
Stepping away from your computer, shunning all "truther" riders on the short bus and getting a real-world education would go a long way in turning your perceptions around. You are manipulated by frustrated trolls (to use a favorite phrase around here) who think they can still win by undermining the commonsense abilities of easily duped paranoiacs. Let the insanity begin.
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Truther?
No, sir!
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
I guess you refuse
to believe your own eyes, or will not even watch september clues. My perceptions have been turned around and I do not believe what the MSM is telling me anymore
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
I refuse to believe second
I refuse to believe second and third hand information from people who haven't a clue in the world. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call the "truther" brand of stupidity.
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Truther?
No, sir!
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
I am not supplying
the information - It was supplied first hand by the MSM.
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
The "MSM" is not a
The "MSM" is not a monolithic entity, just like there is no "government" as a lurking, plotting creature. People act pretty much the same everywhere. It is the collective actions of these organizations that causes problems. This is more or less described by Von Mises.
http://mises.org/humanaction/chap1sec4.asp
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Truther?
No, sir!
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
September Clues
proves otherwise - they are a monolithic entity, especially about 911.
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
No they are not. If this
No they are not. If this rock-solid proof, not opinion, was available the matter would be settled. There is no "proof", you are damned to the unsettling facts of what "is", not what "could be".
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Truther?
No, sir!
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http://libertarianwiki.org/
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
It is available
it is on the the networks archive database - at least it was. Yes the matter would have been settled if the gov was not involved, and actively investigating the video evidence.
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
No matter what you believe,
No matter what you believe, you will not find the answers on the web.
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Truther?
No, sir!
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http://libertarianwiki.org/
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
I just want to state that my
I just want to state that my father and I listened to that radio program earlier today.
I don't know that it is true (obviously), but if you research Nikola Tesla and the incredible things he did you could see how it is possible.
The kind of weapons they speak of are possible. Don't immediately say that it is disinfo, just listen to them and what they have to say.
Bickering over what really happened won't help though, our REAL battle is in the hearts and minds of the American people.
The best tool I have found so far is:
www.commonsenserevisited.org
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I have heard of this guy, Andrew Johnson
And I know someone who knows him personally. He is not a whack-job. I've even emailed himself and have told him that though I understand that what he believes happened that day may in fact be true, he will get nowhere with people with this "no planes theory" when there are people in this country who cannot be convinced that 110-story buildings cannot possibly reach Earth in 15 seconds. I mean, what do you with that kind of brain? You're gonna try to tell 'em they didn't see planes and that other types of secret weapons may have actually been used? Who the hell knows? Maybe, but brains like those I've referenced and the ones we witnessed in Valley Stream, NY this weekend ain't no way, no how, gonna go from ignorance of basic physics to "no planes" directed energy weapons. And I've told Andrew as much...
I agree with you 100%
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I just want to be able to comfortably put their theories to rest AFTER I've seen them soundly debunked.
NOTHING would surprise me in this day-and-age. That's why I haven't FULLY written them off just yet.
But you are correct. There ain't no way in hades that the average person would EVER wrap their heads around holograms or space-beam weapons.
This conversation is just for my own kicks.
If someone doesn't want me talking to others about a topic of which I haven't been convinced - just for the hell of it..........oh well.
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THIS IS A DISINFO
THIS IS A DISINFO DISTRACTION!!! THIS CLOWN IS PROBABLY PAID TO POST THIS GARBAGE HERE!!
Your theory that I am a "disinfo agent" will crumble like WTC7..
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....if you click onto my name and ATTEMPT to find even ONE posting of mine that supports space-beams and holograms.
But the thing is, I know there is some bitchin' technology that DOES exist, and I just want someone to show me compelling evidence that it was used on 9/11.
EDUCATE ME !!!
If they can't bring the goods, then they discredit themselves.
And I will say this - - no one will know for sure exactly what happened on 9/11 regarding the exact technology/techniques used UNTIL there's a full investigation and subsequent trials.
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Wrong.
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Hey look,
We've all been turned-on to unebelievable revelations about a myriad of subjects concerning the New World Order, etc.
We've ALL gone through the 'unbelieving' or 'skeptic' stage on a number of issues - INCLUDING 9/11 being an inside-job.
I do NOT BELIEVE their version of things - but since it's seems to be gaining such popularity, all I'm doing is asking for evidence.
I have seen NONE.
It seems it's impossible for persons with opposing viewpoints to have a grown-up conversation about topics.
If they can show me PROOF that space-beams or holograms were used on 9/11, then I'll listen.
Thus far, none have been given.
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Hologram??? You gotta be kidding me.
Roflmao... If there are people that actually believe that, they are definitely a danger to society. Get a hobby. That's the most absurd conspiracy accusation I have heard yet. If you believe that you'll believe anything.
Hey, I got one for ya....
The Washington Monument is not really a monument. It is actually a one of a kind doomsday missle in deep cover disguise, designed and developed secretly by Northrop Grumman, contracted by the government and the CIA. At the push of a button signed off by executive order, it will extend wings, launch, travel toward the moon at mach 10, turn around, and come back, ejecting a nose cone payload cluster of high velocity projectiles of highly explosive, thermide laden golden monkies shaped like bigfoots to blow the entire earth into smithereens in order to kill us all. They are just waiting untill the space station is big enough so the Bilderbergs and congress can take all the money and move up there first to be out of the way of it. The White House has already been retrofitted to levitate into a safe orbit outside the danger radius.
Haha, the BQE is right
Haha, the BQE is right outside my bedroom window.
Luckily it's triple paned glass, and sounds like ocean waves.
There was a hurricane,
Hurricane Erin was 500 miles out in the Atlantic east of New York, the morning of 9 September 2001.
http://www.stormpulse.com/hurricane-erin-2001
Click on the storm path at nearest point to New York - 9-11-2001, 5:00 AM - 507 miles to storm center - 90 mph wind speed.
As most will remember of that morning, it was a beautiful fall morning in New York City, blue sky, no clouds.
The Naudet Brothers also got the 2nd plane - with sound
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WTC2 South Tower Plane Impact on 9/11 - Naudet
Did the hologram have the sound of an incoming-jet included?
Just trying to understand.
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Kookoo for Cocoa Puffs
everybody knows the holograms sound came from the speakers at the McDonald's drive-thru's surrounding the city.
here's a witness..........
Grandmother arrested at McDonald's drive-thru
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/24/grandmother-arrested.html
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McDonald's may outsource drive-thru order-taking
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2005-03-10-mcd...
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There was an amatuer 9/11 video that came out recently
I'm sorry i can't provide it,but it recorded the second plane hitting with very distinct sound. Seconds after it hit, you could hear the debris from the impact hit the ground after falling from the upper floors.
My first thought was that these "no plane" folks would have a hard time explaining this.
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Also, the Naudet Brothers' documentary.....
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.........shows the ONLY footage of the North Tower being hit by the first plane.
There is definitely sound of an incoming jet AND impact.
WTC1 North Tower Plane Impact on 9/11 - Naudet
So, I must pose a serious question to the no-planers:
Why was there sound of an incoming jet and subsequent impact ?
Again, I have an open-mind.
I'm not here to argue - I'm here to learn.
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