Dollar demise much exagerated
Blast this guy for not knowing what he is talking about!
Perhaps the most surprising development over the last three months has been the surging value of the currency at the heart of the crisis. It is almost as if investors have responded to a fire alarm by running towards the source of the fire.
From a recent low on July 15, the U.S. dollar’s trade-weighted value has risen 19 percent. The dollar has been broadly stable against China’s yuan (+1 percent) while posting massive gains against the Swiss franc (+20 percent), the euro (+26 percent), the British pound (+35 percent) and the Australian dollar (+52 percent). Only against Japan’s yen has the currency slipped marginally (-6 percent).
Since 1997, commentators and policymakers have openly worried about America’s gaping trade deficit, resulting dependence on foreign capital inflows, and the risk of a sharp correction in the value of both U.S. government bonds and the currency if investors started to balk at financing the resulting payments gap.
The economy’s expansion witnessed a large decline in the dollar’s value by almost 40 percent between Feb 2002 and March 2008. As the crisis intensified and the U.S. slipped towards recession, commentators and policymakers raised a renewed alarm about a possible currency collapse.
Instead, the dollar has witnessed its most broad-based and sustained appreciation since the late 1990s. In the last month, the currency has traded at its highest level against the euro for two years.
ADJUSTMENT BY RECESSION
For 10 years, the widening deficit in the current account of the U.S. balance of payments has been the main source of perceived dollar risk. The deficit ballooned from $125 billion in 1996 (1.6 percent of GDP) to $788 billion by 2006 (6.0 percent of GDP).
Persistent deficits in the trade balance could not be covered by a moderately positive net inflow of profits, interest and dividend earnings from abroad. So the United States resorted to massive sales of government and private debt (including U.S. Treasuries and securitized mortgages), corporate equities, whole companies, and other forms of real property to foreigners to fund the import surge.
The financing requirement absorbed more than half of all funds that investors worldwide made available for investing outside their home country. The net external debt of the United States quintupled in just a decade from $456 billion in 1996 (5.8 percent of GDP) to a staggering $2.442 trillion in 2007 (18 percent of GDP).
It is a moot point whether the deficit in the current account spurred the issuance of record quantities of often poor-quality debt (as critics of the Federal Reserve have charged); or whether a global savings glut coupled with strong overseas appetite for U.S. assets created a capital account surplus and forced the United States to run a large trade deficit (as Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke has claimed).
In reality, the balance of payments is an integrated whole and part of the wider international flow of funds. China’s willingness to lend (by accumulating reserve assets) found ready willingness to borrow in the United States (mostly to fund consumption and a massive build out of new homes). The end result is that China has ended up owning a lot of U.S. government paper, and the U.S. has ended up owing a lot of money.
Policymakers have warned for more than a decade that these “global imbalances” were unsustainable and would eventually need to be reversed. The hope was adjustment would come about mainly through a significant but orderly devaluation of the dollar and rise in U.S. exports, rather than a deep recession in the United States that would cut import demand.
In the end, policymakers have been spared the choice.
The unfolding credit crisis is producing a deep recession, cutting U.S. demand for imports, and forcing the long-overdue adjustment in the trade deficit. Because the recession is centered on the United States, U.S. import demand is falling more rapidly than the demand for the country’s exports in Europe, Asia and the rest of the world, producing the necessary current account adjustment.
It is a bitter irony that recession has removed one of the main sources of downward pressure on the U.S. currency.
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"The dollar has been broadly
"The dollar has been broadly stable against China’s yuan (+1 percent) while posting massive gains against the Swiss franc (+20 percent), the euro (+26 percent), the British pound (+35 percent) and the Australian dollar (+52 percent). Only against Japan’s yen has the currency slipped marginally (-6 percent)."
Yeah, that may seem good, but hold the phone - the dollar is not gaining value, the other world currencies are just tanking alongside the dollar and the dollar appears better at exchange. This doesn't help the little man. I'd say the best thing that has happened for the economy is the recent fall in gas prices. I know it will be short lived though.
"Might does not make right"
Why put up a 10-day-old post? What is your point?
Have any of the fundamentals changed with the economy?
Is our debt any lower?
Is the dollar any stronger?
If you think that this is not the beginning of another great depression, then go back to sleep.
Who got the $8 Trillion dollars? I'll answer that one. Foreign governments like China, who holds $1.5 Trillion of our debt and who was threatening to to stop buying our treasury notes. We bought our own bonds back from these countries in exchange for dollars so that they could buy gold/hard assets.
Any perceived strength left in the dollar is all a smoke screen of manipulation, so that we do not buy precious metals, food, guns, etc. Does that make sense?
JZneff Said:"The consumer
JZneff Said:
"The consumer isn't broke, he's frightened. The average Joe has just as much money as he had 2 years ago,"
Haw, Haw, Don't know what Ivory Tower your living in.
"The consumer is notoriously fickle. Watch what happens when they get a smidgeon of good news. I would expect some obvious signs of recovery no later than mid summer 2009."
What exactly do you think will recover. We have no economy, ie. WTO, GAT, NAFTA, CAFTA, etc.
We are a consumer, debt based, service oriented economy, We don't produce anything anymore. (except War)
2 million unemployed this year alone. Mid 2009 recovery? NOT!
Get ready for the old CCC, WPA under OBAMANATION.
We have crossed the Rubicon!
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I agree with the author of article
Sorry Gold Bugs ;)
I'll buy your gold when it hits $100
If you haven't noticed America is the best game in town [world]
Reference: You haven't heard anybody here say they are moving to China or India have you ? But given a chance they would all come here. Right ?
Enjoy our boom and busts and profit.
you will panic and buy for
you will panic and buy for closer to 3000.00 before you will ever buy it for 100.00!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/3703565/Fear-tr...
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People go where the $$ is
It's always been that way. Irish, Italian, Polish, etc... immigrants in the early 1900's came to America where the $$ and promise was. The wealth has now left the US. We used to have the majority of the wealthiest companies in the world, and our final pillars (automakers, US banks...) are bankrupt. People are leaving the US. Look it up.
what ever you say bone head!
what ever you say bone head! as if you have not noticed that the gold and silver markets are at backwardation! LMAO 100.00 GOLD?? that is to funny!
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Point by point.
"I'll buy your gold when it hits $100"
No-one on this forum will sell you any gold for FRNs. Sorry.
"If you haven't noticed America is the best game in town [world]"
McCain supporter huh? This is a Ron Paul forum. You might want to familiarise yourself with his political and economic views, before you post remarks like that.
"You haven't heard anybody here say they are moving to China or India have you?"
In the US? I don't know. In England? Yes I have. Wealthy and educated people are leaving in record numbers.
"Enjoy our boom and busts and profit."
Once again, this is a Ron Paul forum. You really owe it to yourself to familiarise yourself with his assessment of the US economic situation.
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-Hermann Goering.
Brit4RP I see narrow mindedness is not limited to Republocrats
Most of America doesn't have a clue who Ron Paul is or what Libertarian's are other than maybe Liberals, lol.
You could of not of been more wrong accusing me of being a McCainiac, I'm a realist and not a Don Quixote. Which means when the chips are down I'm not on cloud nine wishing for what could of been, but to embrace disappointment and move on.
Not that you or others and me should stop trying, but I think our Republic is very sheeple dead. You and I can beat our gums to hell freezes over and nothing ever will change short of a socialist revolution.
Where is everyone moving to ?
Pacific Rim ? That is funny. BTDT
I persoanlly know 4 differrent families that have moved...
to the Pacific Rim. Poor Pretty Richard is a dolt.
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A very basic question:
You've seen the charts of dollar devaluation since 1914, right? Would it mean anything if it hit zero? or lower? I really don't know and have no opinion on the matter, it just seems to this economic layperson that when the valuation hits zero it's worthless. Or is it one of those walk half the distance of your last move deals where you can come infinitely close but never touch?
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Zero is impossible
For a dollar to have zero value is not possible.
Even if it were dead as a medium for exchange, a dollar can still be burned in a fireplace to provide heat.
Even a penny will always be worth the copper and zinc used to make it.
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
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but thats just it... the
but thats just it... the penny is made of something tangible.. the dollar bill is made out of paper, and all it has behind it is a corrupt, bankrupt Governments promise to pay!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Wow, you couldn't be more wrong
The dollar is not backed by faith in the government's promise to pay. They haven't promised anything in fact.
The dollar bill gets its value from faith that someone else wants that bill enough to give you something in trade for it.
I find it funny how many people claim that money is worthless, yet won't send me any of it.
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maybe in this exact point in
maybe in this exact point in time! again static thinking... someone who cannot think in terms of time in the future..
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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full faith and credit of the
full faith and credit of the united states government?? hmmm
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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I didn't see the kindling column----LOL
The more I think about it, it seems like it can never truly reach zero but can approach it within millionths of a cent (quadrillionths actually)
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Some musings
If we really did begin hyperinflation (I'm not among those who believe so) then a stack of 100 $1.00 bills would be worth more than a single $100 bill, just based on the BTU's of burning paper.
My advise to you...stuff you mattress with singles rather than $10's or $20's, because you'll be warmer with more paper to burn.
Seriously though, pennies are pretty close to $0.01 in true value, so saving pennies is as safe as saving gold or silver...just that you'll have to store a whole hell of a lot more.
Pennies may be the safest investment there is.
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But you'll need to save...
Pennies that are 1981 and older for these are 95% copper.
Pennies from 1982 were a mixed bag. You'll need to weigh these. 3.11 grams are the copper and 2.50 grams are the zinc.
Some 1983 pennies were 95% copper and these are called "wrong stock pennies". These were very rare. Again weighing them to see which ones are 3.11 grams and which are 2.50 grams.
All this is really too much work indeed!
Yeah jzneff If The Pennies Are Pre-1982 Otherwise They Are...
basically worthless since 100 post 1982 pennies are only worth 0.03 cents...
http://www.coinflation.com/coins/basemetal_calculation.php?p...
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Bad math
Even with zinc dropping somewhat recently, the 97.5% zinc pennies (post 1982) are still worth more than that.
The true current melt value of a post 1982 penny is $0.00296, or 0.3 cents.
You're off by a factor of 10.
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There are two different
There are two different values that we need to consider, the one of foreign exchange value and the other, most important is the purchase value of the dollar.
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The value of the dollar
Has anyone else heard this, but I read this somewhere a couple of weeks ago, and they were discussing the increase value of the dollar and this man was saying it was because other countries were buying the US dollar so they could buy up our assets at a deal, that the dollars were now just in a "parking space" until they need them to make their purchases. Not sure of the source but just something I read.
Your Dollar
Your dollar may buy more euros or pounds when you travel abroad than it did a few months ago, but it's a different story when you're filling your grocery cart at the supermarket.
The dollar inflation continues. It just happens that there is a short-term demand for the dollar because so many people are facing financial crises and have to get dollars at any cost to pay off debts denominated in dollars. Right now this is increasing the value of the dollar relative to other currencies. People are having to take losses in stocks, gold, silver, or what have you just to stave off creditors with dollar payments.
This will end soon enough, and gold will soar.
Jim Rogers...
said this in an interview recently.
I think it was Ron Paul who
I think it was Ron Paul who said that in a recent video interview
Anybody notice?
Has anyone noticed that the government and the Fed are creating new money at the fastest rate in history? They are even inventing NEW ways to pour not only credit but cash into the marketplace. And they are just getting started. Of course they started by bailing out the bankers, since they own the government. The bank bailouts will continue as the second wave or mortgage defaults combined with credit card defaults sweeps over the country. But that is just the start. State governments will get $200 billion or more in freshly created bailout bucks next year and local governments will likely present a comparable demand. The year following will be even worse as private sector unemployment continues to increase, causing government revenue to drop at the same time demands for government services continue to escalate.
The inflation machine is just getting going. By the middle of next year it will be in high gear. Two years from now, if not sooner, the dollar will be in a free-fall from which it will never recover. Enjoy your buying power while it lasts.
True, but did you also notice
That money is being destroyed faster than any time in history also. Writedowns in 2008 are going to probably be a total of 1 trillion dollars, and this is likely to be even higher in 2009 as assets start to unfreeze and banks clean up their balance sheets.
It's not real money, nor is most of the money that is being created, but it's as tangible in the economy as real money.
It's a push vs. pull, and recently the writedowns have won the battle because they're more immediately felt. I believe the fed will eventually win the battle and we'll get inflation back...but it's not going to result in hyperinflation any time soon, certainly not in the next 2 years.
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JZ, when you talking write
JZ,
when you talking write downs , you are referring to the derivatives on the balance sheets that are not worth anything correct, so they write them off/
those derivatives had fake values put to them anyway! so how can you say the money has been destroyed? derviatives are not money to begin with!
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-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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A lot of things
A bank's balance sheet is a measure of the amount of money that a bank pretends to have. Whatever is sitting on that balance sheet is immaterial, they could have tons of cat corpses on the balance sheet, what matters is that they're saying their dead cats are worth X amount of dollars.
The bank's balance sheet represents real and tangible money in our economy.
Why is it that you would never argue with me that if I told you a bank created 20 trillion dollars out of thin air...it would cause inflation...yet if I told you the bank destroyed 20 trillion dollars in the same manner that they created the money...it does not cause deflation?
The write downs are as deflationary today as they were inflationary when the money was created.
Whatever assets they used to back that artificial money is irrelevant. They made assumptions based on value, and those assumptions affect the real supply of currency in our economy.
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