Why we may Not Have Inflation-A Theory
Conventional wisdom dictates that a huge increase in the supply of money will produce price inflation. The Fed is on track to doubling the money supply in a short period. While that should lead to inflation, it may not, for one key reason. The Federal Reserve Board can lower interest rates to zero and can pump trillions into the financial system; but it cannot make people spend money. (I know that sounds strange, but hear me out)
The Fed has already “bailed out” Wall St. and pumped billions into banks, where it sits in the vaults, unused, except to shore up balance sheets and pay-off CEO’s. The previous $600 stimulus checks went to pay off personal debt or was put into savings. (Little consumer spending was noted).
Now there’s talk of lowering mortgage rates and other ways to directly inject money into the economy. It may not work. Even if Trillions are pumped into the economy, if little is borrowed or spent, then the velocity doesn’t increase significantly. If money is theoretically abundant, but it’s not changing hands, will there be inflation?
Now this is just an idea. I’m not an economist and am tossing this for critique. The genesis of this theory are the very words of the FED Chairman and the lessons drawn from the Great Depression. Bernanke has admitted that the Fed caused the Depression and vows not to repeat the same mistakes. Where he’s wrong is the conclusion he’s drawn. (the Fed’s easy money policy in the 20's created a stock bubble that burst in ‘29. The Fed then “slammed on the brakes” and the new tight money policy lead to a decade of deflationary depression).
The lesson “Helicopter” Ben has drawn is to head-off a recession with tons of money, dropped from a “helicopter in the sky” if necessary. He believes gobs of money will solve the problem. But that is based on the false assumption that people are willing to borrow and spend that newly abundant money. Problem is: the American consumer is tapped out. House values have plummeted, credit cards are maxed and job security and consumer confidence are at historic lows. Being over-extended is what got the banks and consumers in this mess, the last thing we need is more debt.
The consumer is instinctively doing the right thing. They’ve slammed the wallet shut, are paying off debt and increasing their savings cushion. They may not have, previously, been saving for a rainy day, but they sure as sh*# know it's raining now and it’s time to put on a hat. The Fed can flood the place with paper currency, but we either can’t or won’t take the bait and if we don’t spend it.......we may not get much inflation.
There are several critical differences between the Fed's action during the depression and today, but I'll leave those for discussion w/ anyone interested. Enjoy and look forward to your thoughts.





















M3 ... is your answer.
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M-3 is no longer published for the public, correct? So getting the "answer" is more difficult, now. My contention is that the vast money supply, whether published or not, will not, by itself, cause price inflation. While the money supply is being "inflated", price inflation does not "have to" be the result. If we don't spend those dollars (put them into circulation) could we avoid inflation?
I think most people are waking up to the Keynsian/Fiat currency lie. We cannot "spend" our way out of this. We instinctively know that we need to jettison debt and stash cash. The banks are doing it and families are, too. The Fed can increase the money supply all they want, if we don't spend it...."We May Not Have Inflation."
This could very well be the dying gasp of the global central bank/fiat money system.
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Yes and No
Your reasoning is correct, as far as it goes. But I think the same thing happens in real estate.
Sometimes a particular neighborhood is stable. No one moving in or out. When prices are changing rapidly elsewhere, up or down, this neighborhood will be seen as holding a steady value, because all prices are based on comparable sales, and this neighborhood doesn't have any.
Even if they have one or two sales, these sales may happen somewhere between the old price and what the new price would be if there had been more sales taking place - in other words, the price change is in slow motion in this neighborhood.
So, back to your theory: people may be socking the money away now. It sits in the bank and no one borrows it. This will only last so long before people get used to the bad news, and start spending again. As soon as they start to spend this cheap, free money (and why not; it isn't earning any interest), the prices will start to reflect that the value of the dollar has dropped. And then the race will be on to spend it before it can't buy anything at all.
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Is the collapse of the dollar inevitable?
Note: This is not in HTML - I'll edit it later or you can read it on my website, http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/inevitable_collapse.php
In my [url=http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/montagne.php][i]Critique of Mathematically Perfected Economy[/i][/url], I write:
[i]“The basic flaw in the logic of modern socialists (Montagne, Cook, Zarlenga, etc.) is confusion between motivation and capability. ‘[/i]He’s privately controlled![i]’ the socialist sneers at the Federal Reserve chairman, the unspoken assumption being that, were the socialist put in charge, he would immediately open the floodgates of wealth and prosperity for us all. It would be a veritable socialistic paradise, if only the Benevolent One were given the authority to print money! But, the fact is, the Fed is in a box. If a socialist were put in charge, he would be in the same box.”[/i]
In my [url=http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/critiques.php][i]Critique of Austrian Economics[/i][/url], I write:
[i]“Rothbard discusses an inevitable ‘distortion-reversion process’ but says little about how it actually plays out. Apparently forgetting his master’s regression theorem, he declares ‘the continuance of confidence in the banks is something of a psychological marvel’ (1970, p. 867).
“Garrison (2001, p. 44) redefines the Production Possibilities Frontier, PPF, to be [/i]sustainable[i] combinations of investment and consumption, but says nothing about what is so unsustainable about a credit expansion. Since he defines consumption on the PPF (which is real) to be the same as consumption on the Hayekian triangle (which is nominal), the unsustainability [/i]cannot[i] have anything to do with a devaluation of the currency.
“So we see that Mises, writing in 1949, was really the last Austrian to make much of an effort to explain or predict interest rate spikes. After that, their discussion of this issue, including Mises’ later writings, increasingly took on the tone of a morality play, with the greedy bankers getting their ‘inevitable’ comeuppance.”[/i]
Clearly, the socialists and the Austrians are at opposite ends of the spectrum of views on inevitability. Socialists believe that the Federal Reserve can turn on a dime, veering away from economic collapse towards a socialistic paradise simply by giving the right person the chairmanship. And how would the Benevolent One accomplish this feat? According to the Debt Virus Theory, it is as simple as printing money and spending it directly into the economy, rather than buying Treasury Bills. On the other hand, the Austrians believe that a “distortion-reversion process” is inevitable. Credit expansion is unsustainable and this, apparently, is true no matter how benevolent the chairman of the Fed may be.
Is hyperinflation the inevitable result of inflation? In America we have only had one bout with hyperinflation and, over 200 years later, the phrase “not worth a Continental” is still part of our language. “In conclusion,” I write in my [url=http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/montagne.php][i]Critique of Mathematically Perfected Economy[/i][/url], “to Montagne, Cook, Zarlenga and anyone else who claims that they can open the floodgates of prosperity by spending paper money directly into the economy, I say: [i]‘The Debt Virus Theory is not worth a Continental!’[/i]” Debt Virus Theorists’ followers are mostly laymen (for obvious reasons) and, when I wrote this, I fully expected any American with a passing interest in economics to be familiar with the expression, “not worth a Continental.”
Indeed, the collapse of the Continental [i]was[/i] inevitable because, having spent Continentals directly into the economy (mostly for soldiers’ wages), the Continental Congress had nothing in their portfolio with which they could buy them back. They were, in fact, benevolent men who had no desire to see their newly-won nation racked with hyperinflation, but they could no more recall the paper money that they had printed than Frankenstein could recall his monster.
But surely the Federal Reserve is smarter than the Continental Congress! Until as recently as last year (2007), I would have responded to this question with a begrudging “yes.” As much as I dislike the United States having a central bank (I advocate free banking), I will admit that, by buying only Treasury Bills, the Federal Reserve has given themselves a portfolio with which they can buy back dollars in the event that inflation should threaten to turn into hyperinflation. Unless the Federal Government itself collapses – by losing a war, for instance – there will always be a market for T-Bills. Selling T-Bills for cash and destroying the cash is a painful, recession-inducing process, as evidenced by our experience during Reagan’s first term, but it can be done. Contra Rothbard, hyperinflation is [i]not[/i] inevitable under a central bank.
So what has Ben Bernanke done to make me question his intelligence, if not his benevolence? He polluted the Fed’s portfolio with AAA-rated securities, which I have mocked as being “about as marketable as the chocolate-covered cotton balls that Milo Minderbinder was trying to foist on people in [i]Catch 22[/i].” Everybody knows that, in spite of their impressive-sounding AAA rating, these securities are really just packages of sub-prime loans that nobody wants – what I defined in my [url=http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/devils_dictionary.php][i]Devil’s Dictionary of Economics[/i][/url], as “worthless crap.” If people [i]wanted[/i] them, in the sense of being willing to pay cash for them, then we wouldn’t be having a credit crisis in the first place.
Bernanke’s actions have made the question of hyperinflation a murky one. The Austrian’s depiction of hyperinflation as being the inevitable fate of central banking has always been cartoonishly simplistic, and it remains so. However, economists of all schools must now admit that hyperinflation is at least a [i]possibility[/i]. If the dollar appears to be losing its status as the world’s reserve currency, what will the Fed do about it? Sell their AAA-rated securities for cash and destroy the cash? But what if nobody is impressed with the AAA rating and won’t buy their securities at any price? Then the Fed will be in the same position as the Continental Congress: Benevolent men who have no desire to see their beloved nation racked with hyperinflation, but who have no more ability to recall the paper money that they have printed than Frankenstein had to recall his monster.
Of course, not [i]all[/i] of the Fed’s portfolio is in AAA-rated securities and not [i]everything[/i] with an AAA rating is worthless crap. They still have lots of T-Bills and there is a market for at least [i]some[/i] of their AAA-rated securities. This is why the question of hyperinflation has become so murky. The bottom line is that nobody – not even Ben Bernanke – really knows what the Fed’s portfolio is worth these days. For this reason, I would be very leery of any economist, from any school, who speaks confidently about the future of the dollar. Is the collapse of the dollar inevitable, as the Austrians claim? Or are we at the dawn of a socialistic paradise, provided only that we install the Benevolent One in the Federal Reserve’s chair, as the Debt Virus Theorists claim? The answer is certainly somewhere between these extremes, but where [i]exactly[/i] I cannot tell you.
[b]REFERENCES[/b]
Garrison, Roger. 2001. [i]Time and Money: The Macroeconomics of Capital Structure[/i]. New York, NY: Routledge
Rothbard, Murray N. [1962] 1970. [i]Man, Economy and State[/i]. Los Angeles, CA: Nash Publishing
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Sounds like the Weimar Republic.
Murray Rothbard deals with that concrete example in "The Mystery of Banking". Its a free download. Google "mises institute".
I should point out that the US government is not so much "printing money" as it is "selling bonds". The big problem comes when the bond holders want to "cash out" rather than re-invest. Google "ponzi scheme".
"That Socialism would be immediately practicable if an omnipotent and omniscient Deity were personally to descend to take in hand the government of human affairs is incontestable." - Ludwig Von Mises.
Another shot at an answer.
Over at shadowstats.com a part of the inflation answer is there in the Alternate Data. The M3 supply crashed as the bubble burst and all that fraudulent wealth burst with the bubble. M3 is a measure of those kinds of leveraged assets. Which may be real but in this case they were not.
The M1 shows the FED injection of cash which replaced the phony leveraged assets with fiat money (printing press money) another phony asset. There is no reason for investors to applaud.
According to shadowstat's numbers our economy has been shrinking since 2000 (GNP) and inflation was at 13% but has fallen to 9%. No wonder investors lack confidence. If the exchange of one phony asset for another did work then inflation promises to be at least 9% or higher. (SGS CPI)
If the Federal Reserve were a real bank would they have invested in all those phony assets? If they did they would eventually fail. This would be a good thing since no more investors could be tricked into supporting a losing cause. [commercial break] End the FED.
As SteveMT pointed out, the game is rigged. More war, more welfare and more government all insures that things will only change for the worse.
If I got a stimulus check I would spend it on things that protect my wealth. I would pay off interest bearing loans or make my house and car more energy efficient. Simply because that stimulus check is just making the ditch were falling into a little deeper. Besides if I tried to save that money, dollar debasement would steal back 9% this year at the current “real” rate of inflation.
Keynesians have not considered the possibility that we have all the stuff we need, at least for now. They would try to make us buy stuff we don’t need. They believe in unsubstantiated concepts like velocity of money and paradox of thrift as matters of doctrine. We should not have to suffer for their bilious beliefs or their twisted statistics.
Sunsue, thanks for starting this thread with your pertinent question.
the people do not have to
the people do not have to "spend" the money! the federal government can spend more money then you or I ever could!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Who Spends?
When the "Federal Gov't" spends money, who does the spending? Is it people or an entity? Isn't the intent that "people" driving road graders and paving bridges spend their "gov't funded" pay-checks? What if they only buy food and save the rest?
How does an agency spend money? Is it not thru people?
My contention: It's a massive transfer of wealth, from those that produce to those that "suck the gov't tit"....only this time....the money just stops at the "receiver" level...thus short-circuiting gov't re-inflation attempts.
Last gasp economics!
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true, but the government can
true, but the government can buy up things..
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
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I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
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The key word in your thread is MAY. The Fed rigged....
the numbers, remember? No more M3 available. Who knows, we must estimate now, so checkout this link. Does 17% inflation sound non-existent? The Fed has stacked the deck in their favor, so why take their side?
Money Supply
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data
Not Taking Sides
Thanks. Not taking the Fed's side, here. In fact, inflation seems to hurt the common man and help the Feds. Thus, I'm hopeful for more deflation, even if all economic history says otherwise. I think I can deal with price stability and even deflation, however, price inflation is more difficult to contend with......is it not?
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Here is the rub
Watch the money supply figures. It is true that the Federal Reserve has injected unprecedented reserves into the system to stimulate money supply growth. So far the money supply growth has not responded and the rate of money supply growth is falling even though the absolute numbers are increasing. Obviously the velocity of money movement has slowed out of fear and prices are falling.
Velocity of money is influenced by psychology. If that psychology changes, then the danger is that the effect on prices will be dramatic because the increased rate of money movement will be applied against a much larger supply of money. The danger point for price inflation is when people think the worst is over and start to pick up spending.
True, if the psychology does not change, or if people become even more fearful, then prices may well continue to be soft and things could get out of hand on the down side. Plus different markets have different fundamentals. Real estate got way out of line in relationship to income, so it still needs to wash out more to drop to more normal relationships. Some commodities are actually in short supply situations and likely will go up once the commodity funds are finished liquidating their long positions.
Nobody can really predict how it will end. The free markets always want to correct imbalances. The government manipulation of the economy creates the imbalances. These are opposing forces. The government can only temporarily win because the free market is more powerful, but obviously the government is taking extraordinary means to push up prices one more time. This has been going on since the last depression. The pressure just keeps building and each time the economy tries to correct the imbalances the game is at a higher level. Look at the charts of debt growth or money supply growth going back to the last great depression and you can see the line is now in a very steep (unsustainable) part of the curve.
It certainly is possible that the faulty debt based monetary system collapses here and now and that the money supply (which is bank debt) gets wiped out with the collapse of the banking system. It is also possible that government patches the system one more time and we get yet another surge of economic activity before the next crisis finally takes down the house of cards. We can only watch and try to cover ourselves as best we can as the storm plays out.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley
Thanks
House of cards it is and guess what I'm hoping is that we'll get a little longer to prepare. Think price deflation is less painful, right now, and if it keeps going for a while longer that's good for the avarage guy. Metal and other hard assets seem the best "cover" for inflation, but think we all get hurt if it goes hyper. Well, all except the gov't elites, right?
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Federal bailouts
I agree with Ron's comments above.
The real strength of the U.S. economy lies not in monetary policy as much as in fiscal policy. All companies and especially government units (cities, states and the federal government) must learn to live within their means. This will re-instill a sense of confidence by the consumer. It will stabilize jobs and our economy. Practical, common sense solutions are needed, not politically motivated solutions that drain additional confidence and financial resources from our already shaken economy and the world economy.
Stop with the spending, create tax incentives for saving. It will take some time to settle the enormous debts we have incurred, but when we come out on the other end our economy - and the world's economy - will be stronger for it.
Huge Demand For Treasuries As Banks Refuse To Lend
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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Huge Demand For Treasuries As Banks Refuse To Lend
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BTW, in my view, we already have DEFLATION even though we
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don't have a gold standard. The gold standard was not the reason for the deflation in the 30's, in my opinion. In other words, the view that it was different back in the 30's since the dollar was backed by gold has already been proven to be false, in my opinion.
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So, ya just duplicating your
So, ya just duplicating your post from another thread here even though it doesn't quite fit. Interesting...
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One major point that seems
One major point that seems to be totally missing in Mish's assessment and that is during both the Great Depression and WWII, the dollar was still backed by gold and the economic structure of this country was totally different.
Those are extremely substantial points that seem to be overlooked in Mish's article. The inflation of those periods were indeed very high, but there was a foundation for that inflation at that time, this time there is absolutely no foundation. Additionally, the United States was not only a Creditor at the time, but it also had a substantial manufactuing base, along with a completely different mentality among the people of that time.
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Up to Date
Ok, just finished reading the debate between Mish and Schiff. Had not read it before my posting, so was a little confused about the reference. Suffice to say, they both make good points and I think the jury is still out.
No question that the history of the Fed points to inflating our way out, just not convinced they can pull us out of this deflationary spiral. It's almost a perfect storm with maxed out credit cards, both housing and stock bubbles bursting...and two very expensive wars. Mish is correct that the Fed can print the money, but it still can't force banks to lend or people to borrow and spend.
I think old Ben & Hank may have done too could a job scaring congress with it's dire predictions of collapse. Now, the Amercian consumer is worried about losing his job and has slammed the wallet shut (ref. holiday spending). Less buying, more companies lay off workers...who then spend less. It's a downward spiral that the gov't may be powerless to stop....at least for the near future. When home and stock prices finally descend to their real market-clearing level, then and only then will the potential for inflation re-emerge.
BTW-the great depression was a deflationary event, right?
Anyway, will watch the inflation-deflation debate by the experts and do what I can to understand and protect. I keep hearing, "uncharted waters", "once in a century" and "not following the models" and wonder if this one could be just unusual enough to confound even the economists. We can read, study and make predictions that may be as valid as any. Couldn't housing and stock prices decline, consumer goods hold or increase slightly and still have gold and silver rise in dollar price, out of fear? I know that probably breaks a few historical economic rules, but hey, I'm not a trained economists and therefore don't have to be stuck in the past dogma.
Either way, it sure is interesting to watch.
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US off Gold Standard in 1933
April 3, 1933 Franklin D. Roosevelt make hoarding illegal and gold must be turned into the Federal Reserve member banks for fiat money.
April 19, 1933 FDR announces U.S. will leave gold standard
Inflation then debased the dollar leaving people poorer and the FED richer
Gold standard for International trade enacted in 1946
Gold standard for International trade repealed 1971
If the fed wants to inflate
If the fed wants to inflate badly enough, they can do so, regardless of people's propensity to save.
If they start with 'quantitative easing', i.e. direct purchases of securities with printed money, the only limits to monetary expansion is in BoomBoom & co.'s minds.
The issue is, Bernanke is trying to inflate a little bit, while retaining the ability to reign in 'excessive' inflation, should things be, in his view, getting out of hand.
This is difficult to achieve, since a major factor of deflation is declining velocity of money, which is again partly caused by people expecting prices to continue dropping.
By adding more and more base money, at some point, deflation will turn to inflation. Then, people will start wanting to spend the money before prices rise, and so velocity will rise again, amplifying any existing inflationary tendencies. Which will cause people to spend their money yet faster and so on and so on, in a vicious circle which is hard to break when there is so much base money sloshing around.
In more normal times, the Fed could reasonably expect to quickly mop up excess money by selling off the collateral banks posted to get fed notes in the first place, since this was almost exclusively treasuries, which held up relatively well in price. But now, when more and more of the collateral is worthless junk, the Fed may well end up with nothing to sell in order to get it's fed notes back, leaving it rather impotent at reducing the money supply.
One thing the Fed has going for it, is most of the loans against bad collateral are short term; so should inflation rear up, it can drive it's newly created money in by force, and force the banks to take back their junk whether they want to or not. While knowing this definitely make bank managers vary of 'trusting' these temporary reserves enough to commit to long term lending against them; obviously pissing Barney Frank et al off to no end; it also makes it much easier for the Fed to reverse policy should inflation flare up. And it is likely a key reason for why BoomBoom has had the guts to grow base money as far and as fast as he has in the first place.
But note that this scheme only works if the original bank is still around and operational. If it is bankrupt, and there is a new bank servicing it's old clients, the Fed can't force this new one to turn in it's fed notes for junk. Which is likely a large part of the reason why BoomBoom & co. seem so hellbent on keeping every trashy, mismanaged and insolvent money center bank out there in business, despite knowing full and well that their demise would simply lead to business going elsewhere, not to some universal meltdown.
In this light, all these bailouts are simply part of the cost of doing monetary business the managed, non market, way. Central bankers can lend against trashy collateral, they can let banks they lend to dramatically shrink or go under, but they can't do both, and still retain any hope of maintaining control of the money supply.
stuki, it has already started
as evidenced here.
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yep....they have
yep....they have indeed...get ready for the ride of a life-time.
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Any chance I can refuse to buy a ticket and just skip this ride? Isn't there a hole that's deep enough to hide in? :)
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Catching Up
Outstanding discussion. Thanks DP'rs. Thanks Sunsue for hosting this round robin.
Just Asking a Question-Tossing a Theory
What better place than to query the DP brains.
I'm convinced that the "experts" don't know any more than we do.
It would seem that De-flation is a better event for us than In-flation. Therefore, what can we do to bring on Deflation? Sounds pretty simple but, cutting spending may be the answer.
BTW-My pleasure and thanks for the imput.
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Supply and demand
I think you have a couple concepts mixed in here. First, if people refuse to borrow money, the Fed's efforts to expand the money supply through the usual method of credit expansion will fail. You are correct here. And that is what is causing the economic slowdown right now. If people continue to refuse to borrow no matter how low the interest rates goes, inflation will not result from credit expansion.
However, the government is injecting cash directly into the system through bailouts, stimulus checks, and government payroll. These will all escalate. Your theory is that if people simply save this new money, prices will not be bid up and although the money supply is being expanded, prices will not increase. Essentially you are saying that if there is a sudden increase in the demand for savings, that demand will eat up the money supply increase.
I think what you propose is theoretically possible but practically very unlikely for a couple of reasons. This would require the vast majority to convert from a borrow and spend mentality to a save and invest mentality. I don't believe that kind of value reversal will happen without a wrenching period of deep depression. This would also require the government to give up expanding the money supply at some point even though the desired results of igniting consumer spending had not been achieved. I think every indication is that will not happen either.
It appears to me that the government will continue to pour cash into the economy at an increasing rate. More bailouts of business. More cash payments to consumers via stimulus checks. A huge wave of bailouts for state and local governments. Huge new job programs to absorb the unemployed. And all of it paid for with inflation because revenues will continue to decline, borrowing will become more difficult, and total expenditures will continue to skyrocket. The government will continue to do this until consumers start spending again. At that point, the latent credit the Fed has been pouring into banks will start to move. And then you will have an avalanche of borrowing, spending, and international dumping of the dollar. This tsunami of dollars will overwhelm any pathetic movement toward greater savings. The result will be the collapse of the dollar.
It will Rain Money
I agree. The gov't will continue to pour money into the economy. Bailouts, stimulus checks and "make-work" projects will rain down money on us. But what happens if most folks don't put out their rain buckets and hold out their hands? The raining money doesn't collect, it just runs off into the storm drains, sewers and creeks.
If enough of us will simply live within our means, pay cash and refuse to go into debt; buy only what we need, we just might avoid the gov'ts inflation trap. We may be able to maintain what little value there remains in the dollar and survive this storm.
If we spend like there is no tomorrow...there just might not be one!
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"..shall not be infringed."
Dollars in hand
We won't have to borrow. The government will borrow FOR us and then give us the money. And when the government hands out dollars, people will take them. Plain and simple. If the government sends me a thousand dollar stimulus check in a couple months I will take it and spend it. So will the VAST majority of people, although the first couple waves of stimulus checks may go to pay off debt. I will spend mine to advance my preparations rather than for a big screen tv, but spend it I will. And I will spend it as soon as I get it.
What are your choices? Burn it? That would be foolish. Save it? Equally foolish because it is going to lose its value. Pay off debt? Maybe. But it is better to pay off debt with the cheaper dollars that will come later. There is a limited time left to convert paper into real wealth before paper wealth evaporates. Take advantage of it. Buy food. Buy tools. Buy PMs. Buy ammo.
There is a reason why inflation ALWAYS destroys paper money. Part of the reason is that government can't resist creating it. Another part of the reason is that people can't resist taking it. Yet another part of the reason is that people figure out the drill pretty quickly and realize that the rational thing to do is spend the money they get as soon as they get it on whatever is available for the getting. Hello, Weimar.