Local Currency in Milwaukee!
Submitted by tuscano1 on Thu, 12/04/2008 - 23:28
Alright all, please read this article on a local currency in Milwaukee and check out the comments of all the sheep calling it Unconstitutional and saying the Federal Government only has the power to coin money. It's time to take them to school and put an end to their ignorance.
http://consumerist.com/5102038/neighborhoods-propose-printin...
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Ah there was a thread already..nice
I think it's a great idea..And not really any different than a Gift Card.
Last year, one of the Malls here offered a Gift card, good for any store in the Mall. And if you purchased them in larger denominations, you would get a second card, good for 10 bucks, or 20 bucks depending on the size of your First card..Really the same thing.
I see no problem with this at all.
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Here in CT we had Shore
Here in CT we had Shore Bucks for many years. I don't see em much any more, but a local shopkeeper showed me a 1 buck note in his cashier's drawer that he accepted a few months back. Its local cash, devised by the chambers of commerce in several shore towns (Saybrook, Westbrook, Clinton, Madison, Guilford, Branford, and maybe a few others). When they first designed it, shopkeeps were supposed to put signs in their windows saying they accept "shore bucks" but I actually don't remember seeing any of these. Also, I don't know how many businesses actually signed up to circulate them. But it was (and presumably still is) a reality.
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Have the Berkshare.
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Would they take it for Taxes.
I would love to puchase $12,000 city bucks to pay my $15,000 property tax bill!!!
Why this is a terrible idea
If a local currency is a good idea, why doesn't everyone simply create their own individual currency? Because this defeats the entire point of money - to have a common medium of exchange.
The only global currency at any point was gold and silver. Today, gold mostly retains this quality. Although banks and governments would call weights of gold terms such as pound sterling or dollar, they referred to the same underlying substance, and you could redeem their paper money for the actual thing.
A local currency, on the other hand, is not redeemable for anything. It's dollar value will fluctuate, as well as its purchasing power.
Thus, today, we have a global store of value in gold, which can be converted to national fiat currencies anywhere in the world without losing much purchasing power if any. This local currency idea seems to say that the fiat US dollars should be used to then purchase local currencies. The number of local currencies would be tremendously enormous, and would create friction for trade between different communities. The reason they are there is because unlike gold, they can be inflated. So can local currencies. Why would we want to add another layer of monetary misery in our economy?
Finally, who is administering it? If you'll accept my local currency, I'd love to issue it. There is a large amount of seignorage involved, paying me for doing nothing. Why wouldn't these currencies be inflationary? Do they hold anything in reserve against their issuance? If they hold fiat dollars, then when the fiat dollar is debased, so is the currency.
If they hold gold in reserve, WHY WOULD THEY BE LOCAL ONLY? Gold has global purchasing power. There are already digital gold currencies usable through the web, that allow global usage.
And while corporate US is shady and the stock market is gamed by the FED, there are better ways to beat the corporations than to create these local-products-only schemes. To say that you'd like to use local currencies to restrict trade with the larger economy essentially means you don't want global FREE trade. Consider that if it were constitutional (it isn't), an easier way to achieve these same ends, would be for cities or communities to hike up protectionist tariffs on anything they compete to produce. Judging from how well this worked in 1931, I think we should avoid it.
that's the idea
to keep the money from going to corporatism. it keeps it within the community.
Fiat for Fiat?
I didn't see any mention of hard money for BerkShares or for this new currency proposed in Milwaukee. So I can assume we're just exchanging fiat dollars for fiat dollars. Whats to prevent the new money from being inflated? Granted, merchants will just stop accepting them if they are inflated, but who would know if they were inflated by 2% - 5% per year. Where is the accounting to keep track of this stuff?
From what I have seen, I think the Open Currency guys have a better idea of how to setup a currency than either the Milwaukee or the BerkShare groups.
JOhn
what's the reserve
you buy this with fiat dollars. so are the fiat dollars removed from circulation, held as reserves against these currencies? if not, then the money supply is definitely increasing, because the local currency is additional money on top of the FED notes. if they are held as reserves, the local currency loses purchasing power as its underlying reserves dwindle in purchasing power.
Liberty Dollar at least took the fiat dollars you bought it with and bought silver to hold as reserves. Of course, they never claimed to be a local currency. if your local currency is verifiably fully backed by a precious metal, it probably will not remain local, even if you want it to.
I just love how the main
I just love how the main stream media has trained people to bust out the Constitution only when it's an issue that goes AGAINST the Federal government. It's very troubling indeed.
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Yes, that was the point I
Yes, that was the point I was trying to get across. It wasn't about the local currencies being a good thing or a bad thing, it was about the average American jumping to the aid of the Federal Reserve and using the Constitution to defend the FED. It was very troubling to read, while thinking that if this is the way most Americans think, then we're fighting a losing battle!
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Holding Contempt..
for our fellow Americans lack of understanding is a fundamentally flawed philosophy for promoting liberty.
It comes off as condescending which is not usually the best way to convert people over to a new cause nor have them be receptive to the message.
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I agree we should be kinder
I agree we should be kinder to people when they are awakening from a life-long slumber. These people should be allies.
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I wasn't rude in my comments
I wasn't rude in my comments there at all, I just stated facts about the Constitution and the Federal Reserve, and gave polite rebuttals to comments that were posted with incorrect statements like the one that said "This is unconstitutional, only the Federal Reserve can coin money".
Who I got angry with was the moderators of the site that were deleting all my comments as well as the comments of others that were trying to help these posters see the truth.
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It is my perception...
that the sentiment expressed here:
comes off a bit condescending. I completely agree with you, and totally understand the frustration.
My only hope is that when we do interject our knowledge into outside boards/forums that we do not come off as bitter condescending folks with an axe to grind, even if that may be the case :P
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Drudge just picked up on it
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-talk_moneydec03,0...
http://digg.com/business_finance/Neighborhoods_Prop_Printing...
Read the LAW. Its already been done
Page 9 of "National Banks of the Note Issuing Period" shows the Act of Feb. 25, 1927
“This act provides the all national banks now organized or to be organized would have perpetual corporate existence…..”
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see this thread for
a list that somebody posted a few weeks ago:
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isn't there a place in alaska
that is doing this, too? something to do with labor hours or something?
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i like that
and i see how it will help a local community. but it doesn't give us anything. essentially it is a 10% coupon that still uses USD and is affected by fiat inflation
Local currency resources
Check out this site for some excellent resources:
http://www.transaction.net/money/community/index.html
oh yeah
that was the one. thank you.
Searching the internet I dug this up:
Unlike U.S. dollars, HOURS are physically backed by the real goods and services people buy. The dollar is “backed by a $5.5 trillion national debt,” says Glover.
Can anyone explain the above statement?
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I keep leaving comments to
I keep leaving comments to try and wake those people up, but the admins keep deleting my comments, and I have not said anything rude, just spoke the truth. So much for Freedom of Speech, no wonder most Americans are ignorant.
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Before I hit the hay....
thanks for trying but is it possible it takes a while for the comments to appear as in some forums screen comments?
I didn't look on there and I know you're no idiot so maybe you mean that the comment WAS there and then disappeared huh? In which case, boo and hiss dirty rotten b*astards =(
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When I posted the comments
When I posted the comments they showed up on the site and I saw them in with the others for a few minutes, but then they were gone like 5 minutes later. I guess maybee because I just signed up, maybee they took them down until they are screened, I guess I'll wait until tomorrow to see if they get re-posted.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." -Ron Paul
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YAY Milwaukee starting to get the picture?
Please feel free to make comments to the dumb Milwaukee sheeple.
I need some shut eye but maybe some dp late nighters will put fingers to keyboard..
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I read that article. There's also a poll question there. When
I looked at it, fully 66% of the poll participants had indicated that they would use such a local currency. I seem to recall reading about a small town in the northeast (I think it may have been in Vermont) where local merchants were accepting and using locally issued coupons or currency.
Nice to see another tiny crack developing in the system.
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