What is Libertarianism? This is an introduction thread for the curious
One of the best writers, (in my opinion) is James Bovard.
Check out his books here. http://www.fff.org/aboutUs/bios/jxb.asp
Libertarian Books can be found here: http://www.lfb.org/main.sc;jsessionid=A9BDA523C25A2042087ADB...
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[ Taken from future freedom foundation website: www.fff.org ]
What is Libertarianism?
Libertarianism is a political philosophy that holds that a person should be free to do whatever he wants in life, as long as his conduct is peaceful. Thus, as long a person doesn’t murder, rape, burglarize, defraud, trespass, steal, or inflict any other act of violence against another person’s Life, Liberty, or Property, libertarians hold that the government should leave him alone. In fact, libertarians believe that a primary purpose of government is to prosecute and punish anti-social individuals who initiate force against others.
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What are some policy ramifications of what has become known as the libertarian "non-aggression principle"?
People should be free to engage in any economic enterprise without permission or interference from the state. Thus libertarians oppose all occupational licensure laws and all economic regulations of business activity. Libertarians also believe that people have the right to keep whatever they earn and decide for themselves what to do with their own money–spend it, invest it, save it, hoard it, or donate it.
This then means, necessarily, that libertarians are ardent advocates of the free market, which is simply a process by which people are interacting peacefully with each other for mutual gain.
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What are some specific applications of libertarian principles to real-world problems?
Education: libertarians call for the complete separation of school and state, which means the repeal of school compulsory-attendance laws and school taxes–that is, the complete end of all governmental involvement in education. This would mean a completely free market in education, in which consumers decide the best educational vehicles for their children and entrepreneurs (both for-profit and charitable) are meeting the demands of the consumers.
Social Security: an immediate repeal of Social Security, which is simply a coercive transfer program in which older people are able to steal from young people. Again, people have a right to their own earnings. If a person fails to provide for his retirement, he must rely on the charity and good will of his family, his friends, his church groups, or people in his community. Libertarians believe that it is morally wrong for a person to use the state to take what doesn’t belong to him.
Welfare: immediate repeal of all welfare primarily on moral grounds but also on the terribly destructive aspects of government welfare programs. People have a right to their own earnings and no one has the right to take someone else’s money against his will. Moreover, no one is made a better person because the state is taking money from one person in order to give it to another person. Finally, government welfare creates a sense of hopeless dependency on the welfare recipient.
Drug laws: the decades-long war on drugs is immoral and has proven to be highly destructive. People have a right to engage in peaceful, self-destructive behavior as long as their conduct is peaceful. Drug addiction should be treated as a social, medical, psychological problem, not a criminal one. Legalizing drugs would immediately put an end to drug lords and drug gangs and the violence associated with the drug war–that is, the burglaries, robberies, thefts, etc. associated with the exorbitant black-market prices that drug users must pay to finance their habits.
The IRS and income tax: repeal them and leave people free to keep the fruits of their earnings and decide for themselves how to dispose of their wealth.
Gun Control: People have a right to resist the tyranny of their own government and to protect themselves from the violent acts of private criminals.
Environment: Governments are the great destroyers of the environment. In fact, most environmental problems can be traced to public, not private, ownership of resources. The solution is to privatize public property to the maximum extent possible.
Health Care: the crisis in health care, especially with respect to ever-rising prices, is due to heavy government involvement in health care–Medicare, Medicaid, and licensure laws. These laws and programs should be repealed in favor of a totally free market in health care.
Immigration: Libertarians oppose any controls on the free movements of goods and people, both domestically and internationally. People have the right to move and to improve their lives.
Foreign Policy: Libertarians oppose involvement in foreign wars as well as all foreign aid. The U.S. government should be limited to protecting the nation from invasion but should stay out of the affairs of other nations.
Civil Liberties: Libertarians are firm advocates of the First Amendment and the procedural aspects of due process of law, such as the rights to be protected from unreasonable searches and seizures, and in criminal cases the right to an attorney, notice and hearing, and trial by jury.
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With the tragic exception of slavery and several minor exceptions, the philosophy on which the United States was founded was, by and large, founded on libertarianism, especially with the ideas in the Declaration of Independence and the limitation on powers in the Constitution.
In 1890 America, for example, the following government programs were virtually nonexistent: income taxation, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, economic regulation, occupational licensure, a Federal Reserve System, conscription, immigration controls, and gun control.
In the 20th century, the American people abandoned libertarianism in favor of the socialistic welfare state and the controlled or regulated society.
Thus, the intellectual and moral battle for the third century of our nation’s existence is between those who favor liberty — libertarians — versus those who favor state control of peaceful activity — "statists."
*** I hope that helps***
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg





















Glad you started this thread
I'm sure many people stop by here not having a clue what libertarianism is.
Pretty bad way to explain it imo...
Simplified... it is the non aggression axiom + property rights...
All comes from the principle of self ownership.
cld go on, but that is the summary.. >.<
Interesting thought . . .
Simplified... Liberty is the prohibition of coercion.
Property rights simply extend from being human and having therefore to plan ahead to produce what one believes will be needed for one's survival / pleasure. Coercion against property is still coercion, and not separate from, to be tacked onto, the 'non aggresion axiom', which I specify like so:
Coercion takes one of 3 forms:
1 - initiation of force (direct physical action, aggression)
2 - threat of initiation of force (humans are capable of thought, and threats are a mind game. Can certainly be considered as a warning of initiation of force.)
3 - fraud
Of course I have a more concise definition of 'coercion', but will share that when the time comes. Sorry for not being totally short, but as Einstein said, make it as simple as possible, not simpler.
Thanks for your thoughts, conza88.
In a wordy kind of way, tho, I really liked Treg's post. Even tho I prefer concise definitions, this is FAR, FAR better than a lot of the stuff that appears from some who apparently want to help Liberty, but hopefully will learn what it is, soon, and I think that Treg's explanation is very good, and will help on this. Thank you, Treg!
The "immediate repeal of"
The "immediate repeal of" occurs frequently in your explanation of Libertarianism. And on principle, I have come to agree without exception on most everything. BUT- What about the damage that has been already done by government, whether by regulations or looting?
Ron Paul seems to have taken this into account by admitting that there would have to be a plan put in place over time. Do most libertarians agree?
Another thing that I have wondered about and can probably guess the answer. Since an animal is not a human being, it has no need for any protection by any laws. Is that how a libertarian would see it? Perhaps most people see that as a comment that doesn't deserve a reply. But I believe the widespread abuse of animals is a reflection of a sick society.
Realdeal --
Your last comment, "I believe the widespread abuse of animals is a reflection of a sick society" is a good comment. I can certainly agree with it. Now I invite you to do your best to metephorically speaking, scan slowly back the pages of human history and its treatment of animals. As you slowly turn the pages back, century by century, culture by culture, I believe what will stand out is that treatment of animals gets worse, not better. Sad to say, we treat animals better today...but I do think the direction is getting better and I like that. Now we may ask, ...why? What is making us treat animals better? In the areas and places that we do not treat animals better, what is their legal status in regards to Mankind? By this I mean, are they private property or are they "property of the Nation" or are they simply "non-property"? Lets take a look at the Florida Alligator. It was non-property and was exploited to near extinction, then the State of Florida stepped in through environmentalist action and made the alligator State Property. That slowed down the exploitation SOME, but even as State Property the Alligator did not fair well. It was illegal to private own alligators -- with a few exceptions -- and it is those exceptions of private ownership that saved the Alligator. Private alligator farms produced too many alligators, and they were and still are, released "back into the wild". Today the legal climate "allows" for more private ownership, and things are good for the alligator in Florida. One concept that you may wish to explore is the concept called, "Tragedy of the Commons". The irony is that that concept was made by a Socialist writer and thinker who used it against Adam Smith and his invisible hand of the free market doing good theory . The irony is that it turns out to be a wise underpinning of free market libertarian understanding, not a deadly arrow as the socialist author had hoped. The Tragedy of the Commons is that it is "common", thus bringing nature into man's private property laws is a good thing to do. You may find this book interesting in your quest to answer that one.
http://www.lfb.org/product.sc?categoryId=6&productId=13
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THE IMMEDIATE REPEAL OF..... Well I have been a libertarian since 1980 when I was just 18. I doubt we are in any danger of "acting too quickly". As ideological activists, we know and understand that all things get slowed down, watered down, and planned over time. That is just reality. But as ideological activists, we want to be sure to "steer the bow of the ship" sort to speak. This sets the direction, and it leaves others to make the plan of action, the time tables, the steps, etc. Socialist ideological activists also do the same thing, as in "Nationalization of Health Care Now!" ..... We simply demand its opposite, FULL PRIVATIZATION NOW! The big vast political middle will have to decide which direction it shall go. But by demanding the Immediate Repeal of Medicare, Medicaid, all third Party Pays tax breaks (how it all got started in the first place WWII) then we set the direction.
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Let me ask you a question. What school of thought ... of political thought...is dedicated to discovering more and more ways we can have a more peaceful and free society? Answer, all those inside the libertarian movement. Do all libertarians agree? Certainly not. Many were split on the war issue, some are split over abortion, some are split over other issues. But its the DIRECTION that is key. How to better build a Free and Peaceful society.
I hope that helps.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
I appreciate your thoughtful
I appreciate your thoughtful and polite reply......especially regarding animal abuse. I promise to think about what you had to say about this topic of particular interest to me. I also will check out your link on The Tragedy of the Commons.
As far as your last question, thanks to you and others here on DP, without any reservations, I agree with you.
Thank you.
Ginny in PA
Schnecksville, Lehigh County, Pennsylvania