First Southern National Congress News Release
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This took place in my hometown last weekend! I think they might have something here.... :-)
The communications director told me last week that there are already lots of Campaign for Liberty, Constitutionalist, Libertarians as well as lots of Ron Paul supporters already involved with this effort.
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SOUTHERN NATIONAL CONGRESS
For Immediate Release
First Southern National Congress a Resounding Success
Marion, VA; December 9, 2008 – Over one hundred Southern men and women, from all walks of life and from fourteen States, gathered near Hendersonville, NC December 5 through December 7 to convene the First Southern National Congress (SNC). This historic meeting at the Kanuga Conference Center in the shadow of the Blue Ridge was the first all-South congress since 1861. It was a “resounding success,” according to Thomas Moore of Charlottesville, VA, who was elected Chairman.
Delegates attended from the following States: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.
The SNC is a representative assembly of citizens of the Southern States, providing an alternative, legitimate forum to express Southern grievances and advance Southern interests in a way that is no longer possible through today’s political process or the major political parties.
Eminent historian and South Carolina Delegate Dr. Clyde Wilson said, “The SNC will reclaim the political legacy of great Southerners like Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and John C. Calhoun. That legacy is individual liberty and a small central government limited to its enumerated powers; and which is the creation, the servant, and the agent of the sovereign people acting through their respective States. But these principles enacted in the Constitution of 1789 have been violated. The Federal Government today is engaged in ‘a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evincing a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism,’ to borrow the words of Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence.”
In his opening Charge to the Delegates, Chairman Thomas Moore observed, “We Southerners are well acquainted with the attacks on our symbols, our heroes, our heritage. This is bad enough, but it only highlights the deeper attack on our liberty, our prosperity, and our very identity as a People. An authentic Southern voice is suppressed by a hostile culture, and our elected leaders have either failed us or actively betrayed us. The U.S. Government no longer represents the people’s interests; it represents the interests of the highest bidder, the big corporations and money power. We Southerners have been among the most loyal and patriotic Americans, but in sadness we must acknowledge that Washington, DC has forfeited its moral authority by its folly and its unlawful acts. Now the people of the South who still love liberty and justice have no choice but to withdraw their consent from this corrupt Regime. However, withdrawing our consent is not enough. We must have alternative, legitimate institutions to which we can transfer our consent. This is the principle behind the SNC.”
Chairman Moore explained that when the duly elected or appointed “magistrates” fail in their sworn duty to uphold the law and safeguard liberty, then any People worthy of the name will bring forth new leaders to act on their behalf. Political sovereignty resides in the whole People under a sovereign God. When oppressed, the People have the right to organize the collective means to defend their interests. Such means derive their legitimacy from a commitment to the welfare of the community. This is a constant theme in Western history and a hallowed principle in English common law. Not only does this right have support in history and politics, it also has theological sanction in the Christian doctrine of “interposition of the lesser magistrate.” That is, when then higher magistrates fail or betray their public trust, lesser magistrates must step forward and “interpose” themselves between the People and the abuses of despotism. This is the basis on which the SNC rightfully claims its moral authority.
A proven, historical model for the SNC comes from America’s own history – the First Continental Congress. The Crown-authorized governors and colonial assemblies were still the “legal” governments at the time. But they represented the exploitative interests of the British ruling class, not the interests of the American people. Colonial Committees of Correspondence appointed delegates to an alternative forum, and delegates met in Philadelphia in April 1774 to represent their States’ interests and voice their grievances.
In keeping with its mission to speak for Southern interests, the SNC debated and passed a number of resolutions called “Remonstrances and Petitions for the Redress of Grievances.” These resolutions petitioned the Federal Government to cease its abuses, usurpations, and unlawful acts in the following areas:
· Failure to secure the borders and promoting of mass immigration that threatens to overwhelm our communities;
· Just law, protection of liberty, and the threat of rogue government;
· Just war and lawful defense, including proper (Constitutional) declaration of war;
· Southern agriculture and the rights of smallholders vs. corporate agribusiness;
· Sound money, economic policy, and Government crimes against our livelihoods;
· States’ sovereignty over their natural resources, especially along the Gulf Coast;
· The individual citizen’s unalienable right of armed self-defense.
The debates on these measures were marked by an unusual degree of knowledge, insight, dignity, public-spiritedness, and respect for the views of others. And there were dissenting views.
Internationally respected author and President of the Middlebury Institute, Kirkpatrick Sale, was a South Carolina Delegate. Mr. Sale noted that, “It was an audacious move to try to create a new political voice for the South for the first time in a century-and-a-half, but you brought it off, and with dignity and authority.”
Newly elected Vice-Chairman, Mark Thomey of Louisiana, said, “If you believe what you hear in the popular media today, we Southerners are just too backwards to be able to put together a coherent thought, much less assert our rights and govern ourselves. This Congress, and the Southern men and women who instituted it and participated in its debates, have thoroughly exploded that worn-out mythology.”
The SNC is now exploring ways in which it can operate and conduct business between annual plenary sessions through the creation of a secure Internet forum. Southerners wishing to become Delegates to the “Virtual Congress” or to future plenary sessions should apply via the SNC website, www.southernnationalcongress.org.
Qualifications to become a Delegate are as follows:
· There are no restrictions based on race, creed, or sex.
· A Delegate must be a resident of one of the 14 Southern States cited above.
· A Delegate must be 18 years of age on the date.
· A Delegate must be willing to affirm the following: I believe that I have a duty to my home State. I believe that the Southern people are a distinct people. I believe in the right of voice, the right of preservation, and the right of recognition, for the South and her people.
News media representatives or Southern citizens seeking information about the SNC should direct their queries to Mr. Terry Compton, SNC Director of Communications: communications@southernnationalcongress.org.
SNC Chairman Thomas Moore is available for scheduling radio appearances or other interviews: chairman@southernnationalcongress.org.





















Look The South Should Have Fought Harder
All of you tough talking southerners should have fought way harder back in the day. Maybe there would be a bit more freedom around. The irony is most of the folks nowadays that are so called "southerners" are just transplants from the North.
Regardless, you're either free or not. You would think for all the smack folks in the south talk about freedom, there would be an equivalent to New Hampshire. But there isn't. Why is that? [Rhetorical question, I know the answer]
Worse still Jeff Davis was no libertarian. The Confederate Government sure did many un-libertarian things. Might I add, there was even an income tax. I know there was one up north due to the war. Neither section was in the right. The southern states obviously were in the right to break away. But their hands weren't so clean either. Now pass the corn bread!
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It's Amusing
...how you have just joined the website 1 1/2 days ago and found this several day old post to comment on. Someone need a new identity? I know mine, I am Southern born.
Cornbread? More like pass the bull chips in your case.
Rarely will you find a Southerner that doesn't have roots in the Northern states. For instance, I was born and raised in NC, my direct family line (my surname) was in that area prior to the 1790 census. However, many of my ancestors were settlers that went to NC migrating south on the Great Wagon Road from such places as the Netherlands by way of New Amsterdam & New Jersey. Scotland, Wales & England by way of Mass. and Vermont, Germany & Ireland by way of Pennsylvania.
Of the ancestors mentioned I have these Rev. War Soldiers as 4th, 5th and 6th Great Grandfathers:
Peter Guise (German)
Abraham Kuykendall (high Dutch - Netherlands)
William Capps (English)
Benjamin Merrell (English - he was drawn and quartered)
Boyd McCrary (Irish)
John Case (English)
John Tabor (English)
Thomas Hicks (English)
Born from their lines I had 4 Confederate Great Great Grandfathers:
Joseph Manning Case (dad's side)
John Baker Goodman (mom's side)
John Capps Case (mom's side)
David Calvin Condrey (mom's side)
With many uncles and cousins that joined them. I lost 4 family members in one day at the Battle of Fredricksburg on Dec. 13th, 1862.
All of these men were fighting for their freedom and liberties.
What have you done lately?
Tolerance is the virtue of the man who no longer has anything to believe in....
It is unfortunate that the
It is unfortunate that the South was not allowed to exercise its Constitutional Right as Independent, Sovereign and Free State Republics to leave the union they voluntarily acceded to, with the consent of the People, at the time of the Constitutional Ratification.
Concern New Hampshire, from what I have read it is not as much of a libertarian State as we have come to expect, otherwise they would have elected the only Presidential Candidate that represented true Freedom and libertarian ideals: Dr. Ron Paul.
Jefferson Davis was as close to our own Founding Fathers as a mid-19th Century leader could be; if you read his writings I think you will find a very familiar theme, one that closely relates to those of Jefferson and Madison. The Honorable Jeff Davis was, by far, much better than the Nationalistic tyrant Lincoln and his Radical Republicans. I don’t think anyone is under any more of an illusion as to the humanity of Jefferson Davis then they are to that of Thomas Jefferson, or George Washington.
The Confederate Government was pressed to survive during a time of massive and overwhelmingly superior aggression from an illegitimate regime set on centralization, consolidation and domination. The actions of the Confederate Government were in part due to that pressure. The moral wrongs of the South are without excuse, but no more so than the moral wrongs of the entire country; or even our Founders who should have all addressed issues during the Constitutional Convention.
Had the South been allowed to exercise their Constitutional Right of Secession, the progression of the principles upon which this country was founded would have found a far better expression.
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I don't see CFL on the list.
I don't see CFL on the list.
Tennessee Delegate
I spent some time last night chatting w/ a gentleman from Tennessee who claimed to be a delegate in this Convention. He goes by the name of "Doc" and runs a webcast on the topic of Suthern Independence. So, I accept his involvement in this organisation as legit. As a matter a fact, he said he posted to this site on Friday.
All that said... I must say that I am very disappointed. "Doc" (as he calls himself) didn't seem to be much more than a burned out Old Southern Hippie...His knowledge of cannibis far out weighed his knowledge of the Constitution or the original Southern National Congress of 1681-1865. In fact when I asked the most simple of questions relating to outcomes or decisions advanced at their convention, he was hollow. After roughly 2 hours of chat I came a way with little more than "It's all gonna CRASH", "What exactly do you want US to do ?" and "Why are you so dependedant on Government?" . Hardly the answers I would expect from a group of Southern Patriots preparing to rise again!
For the record, the Orginal Southen National Congress was empowered by their State Leglislatures, (Actual Governments with actual power) and not a group of Hillbillies looking for an excuse to duck town, ditch the "Ole Lady" and blo' smoke near Civil War Battle fields.
For those of you (like myself) who are looking for this type of action from our States as an actual sign that seperation may in fact be a reality. Look to the actual State Leglislatures and Governors. They are in fact starting to make their voices heard, and many are starting to speak openly to press about their powers over the Federal Government. "That which is created can not be more powerful than the creator", I heard from one Governor on Glenn Beck this morning. Meaning, the States created the Federal Government and therefore must have greater power than that of their creation. He went on to quote the 10th Amendment as the Contract Between the States and the Federal Government." The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." When the day comes that a real Southern National Congress holds a Convention..I will be an enthuastic supporter. However that will come from the actual State Governments themselves and not a group Lynard Skynard roadies who captured and old title as a web address....Sorry if this burst your bubble, but wouldn't you rather invest your time in something solid?
Frankly Speaking... you are a liar sir.
The only questions that were not answered in last night's chat session were those posed by a usurper who knew that the questions he was asking were not yet possible to answer. You functioned as nothing more than a sabotuer and you were ejected from the forum as are all sabotuers.
Furthernmore, it seems your knowledge of our Constitution leaves something to be desired.
Did you know that a PROVEN AND HISTORICAL model for the SNC comes from our own United States history? It was called the First Continental Congress. But I guess you didn't bother reading the actual SNC Press Release. Here is the part you seemingly missed, both here and in high school...
"A proven, historical model for the SNC comes from America’s own history – the First Continental Congress. The Crown-authorized governors and colonial assemblies were still the “legal” governments at the time. But they represented the exploitative interests of the British ruling class, not the interests of the American people. (That sounds vaguely familiar) Colonial Committees of Correspondence APPOINTED delegates to an alternative forum, and delegates met in Philadelphia in April 1774 to represent their States’ interests and voice their grievances."
Of course we all know what soon followed, eh? I can assure you of this, the SNC is doing far more to promote the cause of true liberty than you sir, seem willing to do. Apparently, your answer is to wait for your lawmakers to give you back something they have been stealing from you all of your life. Let me know how that works out for you.
When asked about the outcome of our First Southern National Congress, I ALWAYS point out that after a failure to ratify a Constitution and By-Laws two years ago, this session found success. Not only in that measure, but in producing no less than seven "Remonstrances and Petitions for Redress" that are being transmitted to the White House, Capitol Hill, All fourteen legislatures of the SNC member States as well as their State Governors. Those petitions covered areas from Agriculture to Immigration, to the Rght to bear arms. How many such documents have you sent to even one government official sir?
While it is certainly true that my knowledge of cannabis and hemp likely exceeds my knowledge of The Constitution, my understanding of that revered document is certainly sufficient enough for me to press my rights acknowledged by it, as well as those of my fellow Southerners. I am well aware that the tenth amendment clearly provides for our right to do EXACTLY what the SNC is doing RIGHT NOW. I also know that the fourteenth amendment was ratified illegally using coercive threats against dissenting States (which were not exclusively Southern). Do you know how the Fourteenth Amendment attempts to remove State soveriegnty?
Tell you what friend; you sit back and pour yourself a nice cold beer, lay back in your favorite easy chair and leave the heavy lifting to us hillbillies.
Oh, did you know that Dr. Ron Paul supports the decriminalization of cannabis? Hmmm. Guess he knows something about what I like to call "Heaven's Lettuce" too. But hey, what does Ron Paul know, right?
Ron Paul also believes in States Rights!
He also thinks that the War of Northern Aggression was an unnecessary war, and I tend to agree.
The horrible institution of Slavery would have ended here on the North American continent just as it did every where else in the world.
620,000 people did not have to die to end it.
Lincoln said and did anything he could to preserve the Union.
Reminds me of what Ron Paul says about the unconstitutional war in Iraq and how the US trys to spread democracy by force & through the barrel of a gun.
Tolerance is the virtue of the man who no longer has anything to believe in....
The War of Northern
The War of Northern Aggression was not only not necessary, it was an Un-Constitutional, illegal, criminal military action by a despot power intent of Nationalization.
We forget that the cost in human lives were far more than just 620,000, after the War, after the "liberators" left their conquered land, scorched and torn, plundered, the deaths of many more occurred, including around 400,000 former slave Southerners and white Southerners who died of disease and starvation.
Then the actions of the Radical Republicans, Traitors to the Constitution, during The so-called Reconstruction of the South heaped insult upon injury. A shameful blight upon our land and our history.
So much for good intentions!
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Amen!
Yes, those lovely good intentions, ie. Lincoln's puppets, Grant and his do gooders Sherman and Sheridan.
Funny how people rave about the ending of slavery only to forget that 3 months after the end of the UN-Civil War, in July of 1865, Grant gave Sherman another assignment, the Federal troops turned their attention onto the Plains Indians.
I am completely confused by this. The Federals had just spent years trying to "free the slaves" only to turn around and completely wipe out another colored race, the red skinned American Indians. It was nearly complete genocide of the Plains Indians, moving them off of their lands to make way for the Government subsidized railroads, those that survived suffered the inhumanity of a concentration camp existence on "reservations" and the fact that hundreds of ex-slaves, "the Buffalo Soldiers" joined this massacre is even more confusing to me.
Again, why didn't we just pay them for the land?
In a nutshell here is what took place between 1861 and 1865:
"Both the Southern Confederates and the Plains Indians stood in the way of the Whig/Republican dream of a North American economic empire, complete with a subsidized transcontinental railroad, a nationalized banking system, and protectionist tariffs. And both groups were conquered and subjugated by the most violent means." Thomas Di Lorenzo from "The Real Lincoln"
Doesn't this all sound kinda spooky? I mean, look at all of the things that have been talked about here on this site with regards to the things that the US Government have up their sleeves now!
We've talked about martial law, uncontitutional war, monetary changes like the talk of the Amero, the loss of our National Sovereignty, the taking of private lands to create this Trans-Texas Corridor, the NAFTA super highway from Laredo, Tx to Canada, the unconstitutional IRS and Income Tax, the FED, the Council on Foreign Relations, the shady election system, the corrupt politicians.....etc and etc....
Do we honestly believe that history won't repeat itself, and that things couldn't get even worse than they were in the 1860's? With the modern weaponry it could and would be WAY worse.
That's my two cents!
Tolerance is the virtue of the man who no longer has anything to believe in....
Tolerance is the virtue of the man who no longer has anything to believe in....
Lincoln didn't give a Damn about black folks or ending slavery
He wanted to and actively pursued sending them all out of the country, ether to Africa, the Caribbean, or South American colonies. Lincoln was in it to centralize power and like you quoted above, to get all of the former whig and at that time, current republican policies enacted.
Can you imagine the accolades and how wonderful the history books will make Bush, Clinton, Bush, & Obama out to be, if they continue and some how pull off this, the last transformation of our government over to socialism and communism that Lincoln started?
Folks are doomed to repeat history because they don't care to research it themselves and accept at face value the states version of events.
Remember the flak that Dr. Paul caught on meet the press, when he stated true history instead of state propaganda.
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Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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Speaking of Marxists and the
Speaking of Marxists and the Lincoln Administration. Among the Marxists from the failed 1848 Marxist Revolution, Socialists and Communists appointed by Lincoln or supporters of Lincoln were:
Friedrich Anneke
Mathilde Franziska Anneke
Edward Bellamy
Francis Bellamy
William Birney
Gustave Cluseret
Charles Dana
John Devoy
Adolph Douai
Horace Greely
Rachel Foster-Avery
George Harney
Friedrich Kapp
Florence Kelly
Otto Luning
J.P. McDonell
Meyer Siegfried
Johann Most
William Rosenburg
Lucien Sanial
Carl Schurz
Sebastian Seiler
Franz Sigel
John Swinton
Phillip Van Patten
August Vogt
Otto Walter
Wilhelm Weitling
Edgar Westphalen
Joseph Weydemeyer
August Willich
The Root Stock of the Republican Party is RED, corrupt and was strongly influenced by numerous Marxist, including Marx himself who happened to be a pen pal of Lincoln.
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That's why the Cherokee,
That's why the Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Choctaw Indians joined the Confederacy. Not only that, but there were thousands of slaves and former slaves that fought in the Glorious Gray!
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Regarding these comments....
After reading the above thoughts on this topic, I found that it contained some legitimate information, however, I could not & will not respect anything posted above or any information that was provided because it is tainted with a very disrespectful diatribe aimed at the Southern populace.
Comments such as:
"a group of Southern Patriots preparing to rise again!"
"a group of Hillbillies looking for an excuse to duck town, ditch the "Ole Lady" and blo' smoke near Civil War Battle fields"
"a group Lynard Skynard roadies"
were totally unnecessary to comment on this topic and is exactly how the Southern Populace continues to be seen in thanks to many folks with the incapacity to see that a Southern accent doesn't make you an idiot, uneducated, or any of the colorful & creative, yet insulting, adjectives used here in the above post.
The example above just proves yet another instance of the Southerners plight of being labeled by those, who by their own ignorance, chose to be truly distasteful and offensive to their fellow man.
Tolerance is the virtue of the man who no longer has anything to believe in....
I Am Very Southern and Proud
I was born and raised in Louisiana and have made my home in Tx for aproximately 18 yrs. And To Be A Part Of "The Ron Paul R3VoLuTiOn is a truly historical time for me as well as for ALL of us who remain true to the U.S. Constitution.
There are definate
cultural differences between the South and the rest of the country. That is what lead to the original revolution, the "civil" war, and the next revolution. Speaking in generalities the average southerner is much more inclined toward individual liberty for all than the average person in the rest of the country. And, I too tend to discount any information that is tainted with stereotypical rhetoric like the above comment. We want to be left alone and be free to live our lives, and have been looked down on for that for the last 300 years.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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I am a Tennessee Delegate for the SNC...
and I want to help you all understand some things that, judging from a few comments may not be clear.
Let me first say that as a Registered and Certified SNC Delegate I am thrilled to see the Ron Paul community voicing such strong support for this Southern Nationalist Movement. Having spent this last week since the SNC sessions in NC talking with newspapers and radio stations here in Tennessee, the reponse is incredibly positive. Some guarded optimism, but overall very supportive and speaking for THE PEOPLE of Tennessee, we thank you for your support and your prayers.
As for the questions of; "Why the South?" or "Can Northern States Join?"
You must understand that THE PEOPLE of Dixie are undeniably a unique and distinct culture. While Americans from all fifty States are feeling the same angst and anger that we in the South have felt for generations, and while we do share commonality in our desire to preserve a true Republic that honors and defends its Constitution, there are many, many ways in which Southerners are distinctly different than any other region of the U.S. Not better, not worse, just distinctly different. We are certainly not being "snobbish" in this. We simply recognize that Southerners are truly a "soveriegn people" with our own unique culture, one that has been under unrelenting assault for over 150 years. What pleases us in our way of life often times may not suit someone from say, Nebraska or Wyoming. I have two sisters and a brother who are all natives and residents of Wyoming. And yes, I recognize that they embrace liberty and justice and the pursuit of happiness just as I do. I know that they despise the tyrannical regime we are currently all enslaved by. However, some of the things we Southerners want from our leaders will not represent the desires of many Northerners or Westerners, though we all want the same essentials. The details will differ, which is one of the reasons why our current system of government fails us. If they appease the South, the North will revolt. If they appease the West, the South is not at all happy. Our hope is that our actions here in the South will embolden our brothers and sisters to the North and West to take similar stands for THE PEOPLE of your State and/or Region and/or Culture.
Finally, to the gentleman who was disappointed that all these "100 plus pissed off lovers of liberty" did was produce a letter. Sir, it would do you well to consider how our Nation was founded. It began with grienvances. It began with letters. Let us not forget that the pen is indeed mightier than the sword. We know full well our letters and petitions will be ignored. You are right, they always are, by movements far larger than ours is (than ours is yet anyway). But it remains LEGALLY necessary and morally so too I am sure, to provide the U.S. government the opportunity to respond. The mistake others have made is in thinking that if the letters and appeals are ignored (as they are) then the fight is lost. By ignoring or failing to act on our grievances, this government provides the legal foundation for our argument that we are no longer represented, and it isn't just a statement, we have the proof. We are then morally and legally within our rights to move forward, using the same prescription provided by our forefathers in securing our independence from the despotic regime that ignores its citizens.
One other thing. For those who think that the U.S. will never allow us to succeed in our secessionist movement, consider this; When the U.S. infrastructure has collapsed as it is sure to do in 2009, when it can no longer function as a "going concern" how will they prevent our founding of this new nation. If instead of responding with chaos and anarchy as the enemy of THE PEOPLE expect us to respond to the coming collpase, what if we band together as communities, towns, counties, states and yes, even new nations to solve our own problems and simply cut them out, what then will they do? Can they invade and force their brand of freedom down our throats as they sucessfully did in the 1860's? In today's geopolitical environment, I just can't see it.
In a short time, sadly we are going to see millions of Americans asking "What now?" Here in the South, we are preparing an answer for THE PEOPLE of The South. For those who think we cannot bring about a new nation... I can only use the words of Barack Hussein Obama...
YES WE CAN!
Obama may fashion himself "the New Lincoln". Let us hope he does a better job than the old one did!
P.S. Mr. Paul, I would definitely enjoy the opportunity to speak with you Sir, regarding this issue. At your convenience and pleasure.
God Bless Dixie!
D. R. "Doc" Smith, Sr.
SNC Registered Delegate
State of Tennessee
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Amen
Doc -
Great reply - I especially like
"By ignoring or failing to act on our grievances, this government provides the legal foundation for our argument that we are no longer represented, and it isn't just a statement, we have the proof. We are then morally and legally within our rights to move forward, using the same prescription provided by our forefathers in securing our independence from the despotic regime that ignores its citizens."
Where do I sign up - I want to get involved -
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Let them know Doc Smith sent you. After all... it is politics. ;-)
With Warmest Southern Regards...
BRAVO,
BRAVO, BRAVO!!!!
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Thank you! Bold and Inspiring Move!
So very heartened that liberty lives in so many battle fronts! Will the south lead the way?! I am in NC and signing up for this in any way I can help! Bravo!
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The Best Way To Get Involved...
if you live in the South, is to contact your local SNC Delegate as your represetative and cease contacting those in Washington or even at your State level. The power that the regime has comes from our consent to be governed by them, to allow them to "represent us" and speak as though they do. Of course, we all know that it has been decades, nay even generations since this was the general practice in Washington. I do believe that we are blessed to have men like Ron Paul who do speak boldly for THE PEOPLE and Dr. Paul isn't alone, but we all know that he is of a depressingly rare breed inside the Beltway.
When you write to your Congressman, what do you think happens to that letter? I won't insult your intelligence by explaining it in detail, but suffice it to say we all know our so-called representatives rarely see them. How many times have you ever been able to get your "representative" on the phone, for even 5 minutes to hear your grievances. Phone banks were jammed in Washington as lawmakers worked to produce the (wink wink) $700B Bailout for Wall Street. THE PEOPLE were calling from around the country saying "NO! Do not rob my grandchildren!" Did our "representatives" listen to us? I have to say that by and large, they did here in the South, but unfortunately our Southern voices were once more, as so often before, ignored and the bailout went through "in order to free up the credit markets and keep Americans working." How is that going in your State? My businesses have seen an overall 60-70% reduction in sales in the last 45 days, which means in about 45 more, my family will begin to feel the weight of that loss just as so many more already are and will. Ah, but what do we rednecks down South know? I will tell you what we know... solving a debt crisis by adding more debt will never work! Of course our politicians know that, but are they as willing to take it on the chin as we are to avoid kicking this can down the road for our grandchildren to pick up? Doesn't seem as many of them are.
So, the point is, contact your local SNC delegate today. You can email communications@southernnationalcongress.org and request a contact list for your State Delegates. You can also BE a delegate for your State. That's right, you too can be a working delegate representing THE PEOPLE in your State. The pay stinks, the hours are many and the risk is indeed great. But the prize! Oh, if we can once more reach the prize as our Forefathers did, perhaps we can correct our path as a PEOPLE, as Americans. Hard times lie in store for all of us, do not be deceived. Our only hope lies in banding together and speaking and acting for ourselves, promoting new leaders to replace those who have failed or betrayed us, and create a new system to replace this one that served our Nation so well for a time, as our Forefathers knew it would, but today stands in utter corruption and near ruin. From its Constitutional foundations however, we can begin anew, if we are among what I call "The Willing". These are the men and women who are ready to take a courageous stand against this regime. We are those who are willing to boldy withdraw our consent to be governed by those who serve only themselves and the ones who make them rich and powerful. We instead give our consent to a new legislative apparatus, founded upon the very same Constitutional Rights and Liberties that our ancestors fought so valiantly to win for us. We will do the same for our descendants and we cannot let down those who would not let us down.
Please contact the SNC TODAY and Join The League of The South (www.Dixienet.org) (chapters in all fifty States) and support this move for Southern Independence. Your grandchildren will thank you, and be sure that mine will too!
With Warmest Southern Regards,
D. R. "Doc" Smith, Sr.
Registered SNC Delegate
State of Tennessee
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I like the movement. But why the south?
"Now the people of the South who still love liberty and justice have no choice but to withdraw their consent from this corrupt Regime."
I have to say, I've never understood this attitude from Southerners. I know there are many issues about the Civil War that support the view, but many states were not part of the union yet. I'm originally from Nebraska, an underground railroad free-state. But I don't think people in states like Nebraska, Wyoming and Montana are any less lovers of liberty and justice. This point of view comes across to me as a sort of snobbery.
But, I like what they are doing and they did take the initiative to do something. Perhaps, there just needs to be 4 of these, one in each area for the "Free States"? Then, they can all get together. I just would hate to have a division based on an old confederacy instead of ideas and philosophy.
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I support any secession movement.
I'm eager to see what happens along similar lines in New Hampshire. Alaska, or Montana. All have potential, in my opinion.
Southerners simply have historical grievances. No one has the right to enslave another human being--but the US also had no right to act as imperial mother country to a seceded sovereign country. The so-called "Revolutionary War" was a war of secession. So was the so-called "Civil War". Historians and statists have truly twisted reality in support of Unionist aggression.
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A history lesson... First,
A history lesson...
First, please don't misunderstand what I am about to say; I make absolutely no excuses whatsoever for the institution of Slavery. I view it as a vile institution and a crime against the Constitutional Principles we are working to restore, but I am also aware that there are facts that have been intentionally hidden for political purposes.
Most people in the South, including the leadership of the Confederacy, realized that the institution of slavery was rapidly dying and would be extinct within a decade or so due to the fact that it was becoming an unprofitable form of agricultural production. By 1840, the institution of slavery was becoming unprofitable, it was ending. That eventuality was being planned for and if you read many of the writings of the period there was a Southern plan for emancipation that didn’t include the Northern idea for complete and total deportation of any freed slaves, but sought to educate and prepare the slave population for a productive freedom and integration into society. Jefferson Davis stated that no matter who won the War, that Slavery would eventually become a defunct institution.
The concern of many in the South was the method of emancipation. In the writings of Jefferson Davis you will find he was of the opinion that the slaves should be well prepared for freedom; that they should be educated and made aware of the responsibility of freedom. Instead, the War of Northern Aggression released the slaves into a life filled with generational poverty, hatred and hardship. If you read the Slave Narratives you will see that many former slaves felt that they were recklessly thrown into a freedom that was far from free. Another interesting fact is that while the North supposedly freed their slaves, the fact is that they simply sold them to Planters in the South and in South America.
By the time of the War, the South had freed almost 300,000 slaves and had assisted them in transistioning into Southern Society. In the larger cities of the South, many freed Slaves became very wealthy business men and women. Another shocking fact is that most Southern States had laws which would allow any Slave to gain freedom if it could be proved he/she would not be a burden on the State. More than any other people in the South, the slave population were highly skilled in all manor of agriculture, architecture, building, iron works, brickworks. Great strides had been made in the Southern Emancipation effort, indeed there were more Southern Abolitionists than there were Northern.
It would surprise those who, as we have seen, ardently supports the commonly held and accept view of history to find that Virginia and several other Southern States found it necessary to pass legislation to allow freed slaves to return to slavery. Virginia had so many freed slaves requesting to return to that institution that the legislature had to craft a law that would allow such a conversion. The passed a law that would not only allow a freed slave to return to the life of slavery but that the freed slave could actually choose the master he wished to own him.
The reason for this is that some Slaves who received freedom found life in free society too hard and sought to return, many did, but most did not. It is also never mentioned in accepted history that there were laws that prescribed the treatment of Slaves in the South. Owners were bound by law, some were indeed lawbreakers and harsh taskmasters, of that there is no doubt, but on the whole the owners of Slaves abided by these laws.
In reading the accounts of both slaves and slave owners you will find that the vast majority of them did follow a very strict code of what they considered stewardship over their slaves.
Few know that Slaves were entitled to payment for any overtime they worked beyond their normal work schedule, they were also alloted private plots to grow their own crops, which they could sell at market. Owners were required to feed, attend to the health of their Slaves, properly clothe their Slaves. There were laws against harsh treatment of Slaves. Once again, there were those who were cruel, but the majority of Slave owners viewed Slaves under a Paternal Order.
Perhaps one of the most damning collections of documents can be found in what is called the Slave Narratives, but they are damning not to the South as much as of the North. Certainly slavery was a hideous institution, but the impression of that institution by our current “accepted and approved” history doesn’t quite stack up to the facts of reality. In many of the narratives of former slaves you will find a very, very different story not only about the institution of slavery, but about the South and how those former slaves viewed their Northern “liberators”. The truth is far more damning of the North than slavery itself was to the South. Another shocker is to read just how Unionist armies treated Slaves in conquered territories of the South it was, to be restrained, despicable, to say the least. Not to mention the general atrocities committed by Union armies on the general population of the South.
Read the Census data of 1860, the North repelled the possibility of free black immigration. In that year the black population in the North was 1.7%, strange that there was so little migration allowed into the North if the North was so concerned with the plight of Slaves. Do some research and find out just how the freed Slave were treated in the North, then read the Slave Chronicles and see how they were treated, for the most part, in the South.
To the surprise of many Northerners, especially the radical Northern Abolitionists and radical Republicans, there was no slave uprising when the War began. Not only that, but proportionally, there were a miniscule number of slaves, perhaps 10,000 at most, who ran away from the plantations. On the contrary, even when the majority of white plantation owners and managers left to join the Confederacy, the slaves remained without compulsion. What was even more surprising was the number of slaves who volunteered for service in the Confederate Army.
Read a booklet written by a Slave named Harrison Berry in 1861 called: Slavery and Abolitionism, as Viewed by a Georgia Slave, an amazing little book that completely contradicts and flies in the face of the accepted history of the South, the Union and Slavery. Read the 1864 report called: The Conduct of Federal Troops in Louisiana it will make you sick. A British observer, Captain Fremantle witnessed an unusual site in a captured Northern town, he states that he saw a Confederate soldier leading a captured Union soldier down the street all alone, but the strange part of it was that the Confederate soldier was black. He went on to say: "This little episode of a Southern slave leading a white Yankee soldier through a Northern village, alone and on his own accord, would not have been gratifying to an abolitionist, nor would the sympathizers both in England and in the North feel encouraged if they could hear the language of detestation and contempt with which the numerous Negroes with Southern armies speak of their [Northern] liberators."
Former Slave and Legislator Richard Harris elected to the Mississippi House of Representatives in 1890. On February 23, 1890 he delivered a speech on the floor:
"Mr. Speaker! I have arisen here in my place to offer a few words on the bill [raising funds for a Confederate Monument]. I have come from a sick bed, perhaps it was not prudent for me to come, but Sir, I could not rest quietly in my room without contributing a few remarks of my own. I was sorry to hear the speech of the young gentleman from Marshall County. I am sorry that any son of a soldier should go on record as opposed to the erection of a monument in honor of the brave dead. And, Sir, I am convinced that had he seen what I saw at Seven Pines and in the Seven Days' of fighting around Richmond, the battlefield covered with the mangled forms of those who fought for their country and for their country's honor, he would not have made that speech.
When the news came that the South had been invaded, those men went forth to fight for what they believed, and they made no requests for monuments. But they died, and their virtues should be remembered. Sir, I went with them. I too, wore the Gray, the same color my master wore. We stayed four long years, and if that war had gone on till now I would have been there yet. I want to honor those brave men who died for their convictions. When my mother died I was a boy. Who, Sir, then acted the part of a mother to the orphaned slave boy, but my "old missus"? Were she living now, or could speak to me from those high realms where are gathered the sainted dead, she would tell me to vote for this bill. And, Sir, I shall vote for it. I want it known to all the world that my vote is given in favor of the bill to erect a monument in honor of the Confederate dead."
On the day of the vote, former Slave John Harris was joined in equaled zeal by 6 other Black Representatives in the Mississippi Legislature to pass the bill for the Confederate Memorial. It is amazing how much history has been deliberately buried and suppressed.
I make no excuses what so every for slavery, nor racism, but when history is twisted for political means, by anyone, it is nothing more than a social construction intent on a particular type of control, primarily lending more power into the hands of politicians who are only too happy to legislate, regulate and ban any type of freedom they possibility can. Falsehoods about the actual history of the period are widespread and generally accepted, but in face of the facts those falsehoods are revealed for what they really are and no more.
Had the South wanted to "save" slavery they could have easily done so by simply taking Lincoln up on his offer and remaining in the Union with a lot less hardship, death and destruction. If slavery had been the issue then why would Lincoln ever try to make such a deal with the South?
So too, if slavery had been the cause of the North, then why on earth did Lincoln's "emancipation" only effect those slaves in the Confederacy and not in those areas under the control of the Union. All slaves within the areas that the Union Army controlled were not included in the "emancipation". Lincoln had not only the power, but the authority to free those within Union Occupied areas of the South, but he did not extend freedom to them...WHY?
Also, why, in the Slave Narratives, did a majority of slaves HATE and CONDEMN their Northern Union "liberators", calling them "blue devils"? Why, when the war began, did the vast majority, perhaps as many as 99% of the slaves choose to remain on the plantations instead of running away to the North, they were certain at liberty to leave since the majority of white plantation owners and white males had volunteered to serve in the Confederate Army? The slaves could have easily overrun the plantations in the absence of the white male owners, they could have plundered those plantations and simply ran away, but they choose to stay en masse.
If the North really cared about slavery or slaves then why did the Federal Union government and the Northern states allow nearly 1/4 of freed slaves to die within the first decade after the War? Why did the Northern States prevent, with "black code" laws, the freed slaves from entering their borders or settle in their States?
Slavery was horrible, of that there is no doubt, but the facts of that period have been so distorted by revisionist/unionist history that few are willing to scratch the "accepted history" to dig beyond the lies into the truth. Ignorance seems far more easy to swallow than the truth of history.
Alexis de Tocqueville stated upon his visit to the United States during the early 1800s that: “the prejudice of the race appears to be stronger in the States that have abolished slaves than in the States where slavery still exists. White carpenters, white bricklayers and white painters will not work side by side with the blacks in the North but do in almost every Southern State.”
A famous Abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, concerning the treatment of freed blacks in the North: “the free colored people were looked upon as an inferior caste to whom their liberty was a curse, and their lot worse than that of the slaves.”
The Northern historian Frederick Law Olmsted was shocked to find the closeness of the relationships between slave and slave owner when he visited the South. He was surprised to see blacks and whites sitting together, not only in church, but also on trains and horse trolleys. Another Northern visitor to the South was equally surprised to find that the babes of white plantation owners were suckled at the breast of black nursemaids, he expressed his revulsion and contempt at the practice, but it was commonplace in the South to see such inter-racial practices.
In “The Peculiar Institution: Slavery in the Antebellum South, Stampp states: “ Visitors often registered surprise at the social intimacy that existed between masters and slaves in certain situations. A Northerner saw a group near Natchez after hauling their cotton to market. Here they assumed a “cheek by jowl” familiarity with perfect good will and a mutual contempt for the nicer distinctions of color. This type of relationship could not be enforced with a whip, but it existed and was based on respect and love. Not only Northern historians but also Yankee soldiers spoke with contempt about the closeness of the relationship between slave and master.”
Union Pvt. John Haley of Maine, in his diary stated: “Two-hundred years of slavery have not elevated the nigger or his master. The only advancement has been in the way of unnatural selection; the line of demarcation between white and black in not as positive as true virtue demands, but is dimmed by a kind of neutral tint that cannot but be regarded with suspicion”. Indeed, whites in the North viewed the close relationships between slaves and their masters as something to be reviled and held in contempt. In the North, the whites kept the line of separation very clear and hard, there was no such intermingling in Northern society as there was found in the South.
I suppose a good place to start is to ask yourself how freed slaves were treated in the South as opposed to how they were treated in the North? I think you will be very surprised to find that in the South, freed blacks were welcomed as a part, a productive part of the comities in which they lived, while in the North they were ostracized and their presence was criminalized with some of the harshest penalties imaginable.
Another interesting fact is the actual physical health conditions of slaves and freed blacks in the South opposed to the North. Among whites in the North and South, 1 in 1000 was deaf, dumb, blind, suffering from various diseases. For the few freed blacks in the North that number was 1 out of 500 while, in comparison, slaves in the South only suffered such conditions in the number of 1 out of every 1464 persons. Now, if the slaves in the South were treated so badly, so cruelly, and then why was their health even better than those of the white population?
Now, I am sure that people would find it shocking to find that over 70% of those former slaves in the Slave Narratives presented not only favorable statements, but even very loving statements concerning their treatment by their owners and about their owners themselves. That should be shocking, especially since we have build our understanding of slavery and the South around a book [Uncle Toms Cabin] written by a woman who have never been in the South or even had contact with a slave.
Many of the slaves in those two massive volumes stated that they felt they were much better off in slavery than many, in fact the vast majority of poor white Southerners. In fact many of them expressed the regret that they were freed in the manner in which they were emancipated. The South, as I stated, had been preparing for emancipation for years, but the leadership in the South recognized that if such liberation was not done properly that the freed slave would only suffer horribly, which they did, in massive, unbelievable numbers. The fact is that the black population of America today still suffers from the effects of a poorly thought-out and poorly executed emancipation. Yes, there is no doubt that there was evidence of mistreatment, cruelty and yes murder, but the evidence state that such actions were the exception, not the rule.
The radical Northern Abolitionists were horrified when they learned that not only did the slave population not rise up in rebellion against their Southern white owners, but that they remained and even volunteered to assist the Confederacy against what they considered invaders of their own country. Another interesting fact is that among the hundreds of thousands of freed slaves living in the South prior to the War, that most of them remained in the South and supported the Confederate cause. Those free slaves were free, they could have easily left the South when the War began and went North, but they remained and followed their conscience by supporting the Confederacy.
Remember, the white male population [age 16 and above] of the South left the plantations, small farms and the cities to serve in the War. The fact is that the Confederate government sought to limit the number of volunteers entering the Army during the first year, the countryside was bear of white men, and they all went to fight the War. There was so little oversight on the plantations that if the slave population wanted to revolt or leave it would have been relatively easy to leave without resistance at that point. The only white people left in vast tracts of the South were small children, women and the elderly. The only problem with leaving was not found in the South, but in the North. Have you ever wondered why the “underground railroad” didn’t stop in the North, but actually ended in Canada? The fact of the matter is that fewer than 10,000 slaves ever sought to escape by the “underground railroad” that was less than 1% of the entire slave population of the South. Even during the invasion of the deep South, with Union lines close at hand, few slaves choose to run-away to the Union Army even though it would have proved very easy and safe to do so.
If you read the 1850 U.S. Census, you will find that many of the former slaves were some of the wealthiest people in major Southern cities, including New Orleans, Mobile, Charleston, Atlanta, Richmond, and Baltimore. In fact, in my own city of Charleston, SC during the 1850s, former freed black women were not only some of the wealthiest, but one out of four freed slave women in the city were also slave owners themselves. I have met and interviewed the descendents of many of those freed slaves, read their letters and journals, and the plantation records of those owned by former slaves in this State, it is an eye-opener, to say the least. By 1840, there were over 500 former slaves that owned huge plantations in South Carolina and also engaged in slave ownership themselves. Not only were the freed slaves in the South much better educated, in fact you will find that most of the slaves in captivity were well trained in numerous trades. As a class, freed slaves in the South were not only much better off, but better treated and educated than those in the North.
Yes, there were laws, passed not only by the South concerning slaves fighting for the North but vice-versa. If you read the Congressional Official Records: War of the Rebellion, you will find that there were numerous cases of Union Soldiers invading plantations, not liberating the slaves, but raping, plundering, sodomizing and pressing black males into service. Any slave that was caught “deserting” the Union was summarily hung or beaten to death. Another good read on the abuses and crimes committed by the Union is “Union Army and Navy Excesses in the Official Record.”
In Virginia, Union General Innis Palmer wrote to General Butler in 1864, in the letter he states: “The negroes will not go voluntarily, so I am obliged to force them. The matter of collecting the colored men for laborers [slaves] has been of some difficulty. They must be forced to go. This may be considered a harsh measure, but we must not stop at trifles”
The truth of the matter is that the slaves feared their Union “liberators”; they had heard the stories of those slaves who escaped the grips of the Union Army. There was so little respect shown to the slave population by the Union personnel and the treatment, on whole was so despicable that few slaves considered such a freedom as an option. The reports, in the Official Record, describe the Union Army and Navy’s treatment of those slaves they pressed into service as fare more harsh and cruel than anything the slaves face on the plantations.
There is a very good little book written by Harrison Berry in 1861 entitled “Slavery and Abolitionism as Viewed by a Georgia Slave”. The mere fact that a slave could actually read and write smacks in the face of the commonly held belief that slaves were prohibited from such education. Sure, there were laws against it, but you will find that not only were slaves educated, many times with the plantation owners children, but that they also attended Southern churches with whites, of course the Reconstruction period put an end to that with the Union League’s attempt to spawn extreme racial strife in the South. A Special Senate Committee later, in the 1890s, found that the KKK would have never been formed in the South had it not been for the horrendous acts of burning, murder and racial conflict that the Union League committed in the South after the War.
There were thousands of black Confederates, estimates are nearly 200,000 by the end of the War. They were armed, yet instead of turning on their Confederate compatriots, they fought bravely against the invading hoard of Union soldiers. Indeed, there is ample evidence that Union morale was severely lowered by the fact that blacks were fighting against them. It is common to find such stories in the letters of Union soldiers and the impact black Confederates had on the Union soldier.
There is, in fact, so much testimony that totally contradicts the accepted history that we should wonder why that accepted history continues to be propagated in this country? That is a question that every American, especially every black American should be asking.
You state that the idea of mutiny and revolt among the slaves was not a realistic idea; well it was not my idea, but that of the Northern Radical Republicans and Abolitionists. They thought the slaves would rise up in a similar manner as those did in Jamaica and Haiti. The fact is that the Northern Abolitionists fully expected such a “mutiny” among the Southern slaves and when it didn’t materialize, even when the Union Army “liberated” vast areas of the Confederacy, they were not only perplexed, but also extremely angry. While you are under the impression that the South was a massive “police” state, especially during the War, preventing slaves from leaving en masse, then you are gravely mistaken, the vast majority of white males, as I stated, were fighting the War, mainly in the Northern part of Virginia.
I think you have bought into a painted story, your people, as well as my wife’s people, were not as uneducated as you have been led to believe. Many were much more highly trained in trades than 92% of Southerners who were extremely poor, uneducated and scraping to eek out a living. Many slaves were highly skilled, not only at agriculture, but also in masonry, carpentry; they were metal smiths, potters, plasterers, artisans and even engineers in bridge construction, water-works and iron-works. Proportionally, the slave population was far more educated and skilled than the majority of whites in the South. Come to Charleston, I will show you some of the most wondrous works of skilled hands in the world, and those creations were made by slave hands, who, from every account that I found, not only enjoyed their crafts, but were highly sought after in this city. You really have been spoon-fed a crock concerning your own people’s history and their contributions, not only to the South, but also to civilization. I am sorry to bust your bubble, but without the black population, even in the horrible grasp of slavery, this country would be nothing today.
I could go on and on, there are volumes of real history to be found if we would only look.
the argument is not whether slavery was evil, we know that fact, but if we are to understand the intricacies of that institution and the social structure built upon it then would it not behoove us to investigate the facts regardless of the emotions we may have on the subject? Are we to blind ourselves to the reality of the period because we hold a deep repulsive emotional response to the subject? I prefer to delve into the facts regardless of my own personal feelings on the subject and let the fact speak for themselves, not regarding a moral judgment on the subject, but to actually find out what that life was like.
Oh, there is no other judgment of the institution of slavery but condemnation, of that we agree, but that is not what I am seeking to explore. I think you also have the wrong impression of what I am saying. I am not making excuses for the institution of slavery, I am however, saying that the picture we have been taught over the years has been distorted and it has painted to show the North as heroic while portraying the South as totally cruel. After all, the whole intent of the original article was about the Confederate Battle Flag and the generalization that it is a symbol of hate.
My points have been in response to the original article, which sought to condemn a piece of heritage, the Confederate Battle Flag while it seemed to ignore the rest of history that surrounds that period. Particularly the acts of the federal government under Radical Republican rule. The vast majority of history takes a view that the North was heroic in its actions when just the opposite was true, and that is what I find offensive.
Yes, Africans were kidnapped from their land, tortured, murdered by Northern slave traders. Africans were also involved with the slave trade in Africa, raiding neighboring tribes, kidnapping people not only to enslave them but also to sell them to slavers. There were no innocents involved in the slave trade, whether that trade was trans-Atlantic or internal in Africa itself. There were very few hands without the guilt of slave blood during that period and centuries before.
I am not seeking to make a moral judgment about slavery, there is absolutely no room for a moral judgment for it was completely and absolutely immoral, that is not the argument that I have sought to impart. I have sought to explore the facts behind the institution, behind the social structures of the period, the reality of that life without bringing the need to judge it on its morality because it is already condemned. The point is to understand the attitudes of that period, the way those attitudes expressed themselves in that society.
Slave owners were people, some good some very bad. On a whole however, I have found that even though they were engaged in that horrible act of slavery, which was an economic institution, there were those who followed a very specific code of stewardship over their slaves. I have read the codes of stewardship and it contradicts the impression that every slave owner was cruel and harsh in their treatment of their slaves. I mean I grew up thinking that every slave was whipped, starved, sold off when they came of age being separated from their families, but when I began to research the issues of slavery I found a very different story.
Around the world, poor free people starved, even in the South, nearly 92% of the white population bordered, at times, on starvation. As I stated, nearly 70% of the Slave Narratives portray a positive view of their time in slavery, this doesn’t imply that slavery was good, but that they viewed their captivity in ways that we simply can’t understand today. Today, we can’t understand how a slave could volunteer to fight along side his master, or to simply volunteer to fight with the Confederacy, but it happened and there was a reason behind such volunteerism that we simply fail to grasp in our modern minds. We view slavery from a very different point of view today than it was viewed then, by both slave and free.
The code of duties of slave owners was very specific, while there were, as I said, exceptions to the rule; those duties compelled the slave owner to provide for the slaves under his responsibility. I was very surprised to learn about the social duties and responsibilities that slave owners were expected to maintain regarding their slaves. The duties included hours of labor, holidays, leisure time, the “Sabbath”, housing, clothing, payment for any overtime worked, the care for the sick and elderly and even the responsibility for those who were hired as overseers. While there has been a widely held view, a stereotypical view, of the inhumanity of the slave owners, the truth is far from that. I mean I held that view for decades until I began to read more on the subject. As I stated, I do not excuse the fact that there were acts of cruelty, but as a whole the picture that I see is totally different. This in now way excuses the horrible institution of slavery, but it should not exclude delving into the issue for factual information.
Slavery was a reality, that fact cannot be avoided or changed despite our emotional feelings on the subject, but we should not avoid the reality of that period just to mollify our emotional outrage on the subject. Once again, I have never said that slavery was a good thing, but that the picture that has been painted of it is erroneous. The subject, once again, is not the defense of slavery as an institution, nor is it that those who engaged in the institution were better or worse, the subject is whether the issue has been explored beyond the stereotypical understanding in this country.
By the way, in South Carolina, in 1830, the proportional percentage of white ownership of slaves was only about 1.4% of the white population, while the population of freed slaves who owned slaves was around 25%. Such facts underscore that even former slaves of the period viewed slavery in a very different way then we do today. I mean it boggles my mind that someone who was enslaved could turn around and enslave others. Certainly, some of those former slaves purchased relatives, of that there is no doubt, but here in South Carolina it was a practice that went beyond protecting those who were relatives, it was an economic system that they not only accepted, but many highly profited from during that time.
Of course, it is easy to forget that slavery was not just a white institution; it was also a long practice in Africa itself, whether it be by the North African Arabs or Africans Tribes themselves. In fact, slavery was practiced in Africa long before a white man set foot on its shores. The African kingdom of Ashanti was actually very upset when the British outlawed the slave trade because much of the wealth of that kingdom came from the trade of slaves. There is evidence as far back as the middle ages that West African kingdoms sold their own people to Muslim traders in exchange for goods. Slavery was a particular institution that had roots far deeper than those found in this country. By the time slavery was abolished in this country there were many more slaves owned by blacks in Africa then in the United States. This is a hard fact, one that is horrifying and astounding, but it wasn’t that whites or even Arabs of the period between the 1600s and the 1800s thought that blacks were a race to be singled out to be slaves, it was the fact that Africans were the only ones around the world who were selling their own people. That is a horrible and disturbing fact of that period. It is estimated that over 12 million Africans were sold by Africans, whether from competing tribes or inter-tribal trade.
Concerning the “happiness” of slaves, you state that you can guarantee that none were happy or none wanted to be slaves, how can you do that? Most slaves knew nothing else but the life they were born in, that was “normal” to them therefore they really had no relative concept of what freedom meant or how it would affect them one way or another. Once again, in the Slave Narratives, many expressed the attitude that they were better off under the slave system then under harsh circumstances of the emancipation. The knew nothing else, that is not an excuse for slavery, but fact of their lives at that point. They didn’t know what it meant to be free so it would have been relatively impossible for them to crave that which they had never had.
The question is what did freedom mean to those who were enslaved? While I condemn the institution of slavery, that does not mean that I must neglect the reality of the facts that history presents to us concerning that time and the institution of slavery itself.
It was common for elderly and dying plantation owners to include his slaves in his will, in most cases his slaves were freed upon his death. Not only was that common, but it was not uncommon for the will of the dead master to will his slaves land and money to start a new life in freedom.
Hannah Irwin, a former slave stated: “I suppose the Yankees was all right in their place, but they never belonged in the South. As for them setting me free! We on the Bennett place were free as soon as we were born. I’ve always been free!”
Aunt Adeline, a former slave said: “After the war many soldiers came to my mistress, Mrs Blakely, trying to make her free me. I told them I was free but I didn’t want to go anywhere, that I wanted to stay in the only home I ever known. Sometimes I was threaten for not leaving but I stayed on.”
Betty Curlett said: “When Mars Daniel come home he went to my papa’s house and said ‘John, you free’ Papa said: ‘I been free as I want to be what I is’.”
Cora Gilliam, said: “I tell you lady, if the rough element from the North had stayed out of the South the trouble of reconstruction would not have happened. They tried to excite the colored against their white friends. The white folks was still kind to them what had been their slaves. The would have helped them get started. I know that. I always say that if the South could have been left to adjust itself both white and colored would have been better off.”
Now it is interesting to consider that in the North there were very militant, very radical abolitionists. The only problem is that those Northern Abolitionists had tunnel vision toward the South while ignoring the North. They were paid contributions by the very people, the Northern Industrialists, who bought, for their textile mills, Southern cotton picked by slaves and the Abolitionist also seemed to have a rather close relationship to the actual Shipping companies who traded in slave flesh up to the later part of the 1850s.
The problem about that was the Northern Industrialist and Shippers knew that the Abolitionists would never be able to emancipate the slaves in the South, but they knew that the Abolitionists could agitate politics to the point of war, and that is what the Northern Industrialists wanted, it would be the perfect time to plunder the wealth of the South.
Another heinous hypocrisy of the Northern Abolitionists was their attitude toward the child labor in the Northern Mills, why ignore one form of slavery while condemning another? Well, the answer to that is: “follow the money”. The horrible conditions that children, of both black and white, in the Northern Mills had to endure was far worse than the majority of Southern slaves had to endure. Children were whipped, maimed, killed in those mills, but the Abolitionists turned a blind eye, the same blind eye that they turned from the slave traders in the North.
By the way, it is estimated that there were close to 800 slave ships in Northern Ports, even up to the time of the War, the Northern Slave trade continued. Why would the Abolitionist focus on the South while conditions in the North were probably worse in terms of conditions, and was the main culprit in the slave trade? For every slave the Northern slaver ships brought into America, they sold 10 in the Caribbean and South America, but that fact was ignored the Northern Abolitionist and politicians.
It is a stance of intellectual bankruptcy to conclude the feelings of those who were held in the captivity of the institution of slavery when there are thousands of examples of testimony to the contrary. This does not presuppose that there were not horrendous examples of cruelty, but from my readings of existing documentation, there were far more examples of a reciprocal relationship between slaves and slave owners, between their families and the social structure of the period.
I am not a Southern Apologist for the institution of slavery, I am however a very proud Son of Confederate Veterans. The vast majority of Southerners were not slave owners, who cared less about fighting for the survival of slavery in the South, but fought for their country, under their flag, for the same reasons the Revolutionary War was fought.
By the way, there are also black Sons of Confederate Veterans who are just as proud of their heritage under the banner of the Confederacy. The South recognized as far back as the 1840s that slavery was a dying institution; it was an even heavy moral millstone around the necks of even slave owners of the period. It is hard to realize today that the South contained far more Abolitionists than were found in the North.
As I stated, there was a plan in place for the eventual elimination of the institution in the South, one which would ensure not only that the lives of former slaves would be secure in their freedom, but that they would be given every opportunity to succeed in that freedom and adjust to it as they integrated into the various communities. That plan however was preempted by Lincoln’s War machine, which was purely political and economical at its inception and had nothing to do with the plight of the slaves in the South.
There are also numerous, perhaps hundreds of freed Slave songs that give a very different view of slave life than the one we have been accustom to about the institution and the life of the slave.
For instance:
“I’ve hoed in fields of cotton,
I’ve worked upon the river
And I always thought if I got away
I would go back, no never!
But times have changed the old man
My head is bending low
My heart turns back to Dixie
And to Dixie I must go!”
What does all of this mean, well from my reading and research it shows that it is impossible for us in our modern mentality to impose out attitudes on factual history. We have absolutely no concept of the feelings, the attitudes and the reasoning of those who were held in slavery and those who held those people in slavery. We are quick to accept a history that has been carefully varnished over, but that polished history is not always in concert with the facts of the period.
It is, or at least it should be, obvious that slavery was not the only moral wrong that was committed in this country. The fact that the South was engaged in the dying institution of slavery, a moral wrong introduced into this country during the 1600s does not automatically make all other actions taken by the South morally wrong.
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Numero 15 dugg
now, keep digging.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
tog! how ya doin?
Isn't this great news? First I have heard of this but am very heartened that this will reach many hearts in the south that we have not reached yet!! Liberty!! Its spreading far and wide!! All efforts on many fronts are to be recognized as a means to waking the sleeping American!
Check this out!
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/AlterRight.html
and these folks too!
http://appleseedinfo.org/blog/http://www.appleseedinfo.org/smf/
also... email me...there is a group that are non violent but action/solution oriented as opposed to news/ theoriziing that you may be interested in!
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Now all we need is a northern one
and we can combine with the southern one, and start kicking our current one's ass. Way to go, lets get on this.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!