Roadmap to Energy Independance
Many people have demanded that our leaders deliver us energy independence. The truth is, they have no control over it, and it will be a reality within decades.
The following is how we will deliver ourselves, via the free market, to energy independence.
1) Develop an automobile (at any price) and deliver it to market that runs entirely on battery power with comparable performance to a gas powered car.
This was done, read about the Tesla Roadster. www.teslamotors.com 244 miles per overnight charge, 100% electric, 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. They’ve only made a few, and they cost more than $100,000, but it’s technically feasible. - 2008
2) Develop and sell a market competitive car, within price range of the average consumer, which runs on electric power, with batteries that are recharged by a gas engine.
Done again, the Chevrolet Volt seems to be on track for production in the next 12-18 months. 42 miles on an overnight charge, a small gas engine to recharge the batteries. Total range 400+ miles. - 2010
3) Develop lithium ion using silicone nanowire technology for initial use in small batteries, laptops, iPods, etc. It will store roughly 10X the amount of power of a lithium ion battery of comparable size and weight. (2012?)
Read about the silicone nanowire experiments by Yi Cui at Stanford. It’s not a simple improvement; it’s a quantum leap in power storage. This will start a competitive industry for batteries smaller and more powerful. 2012? http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/nanowire...
4) Develop a fully electric automobile that has a total ownership cost of 100,000 miles significantly less than a gas powered car.
They’ll cost more initially, but when you consider the cost of gasoline vs. electricity, it won’t be long before owning a full electric car will be dramatically cheaper than a gasoline. 2015?
5) Develop a fast charging mechanism that will provide a full charge in less than 10 minutes.
This will probably take a little longer…but once we have all of the above, the market in the US will shift very fast. It may happen so sudden and severe that we could be a net oil exporter in under a decade. 2020?
This race to energy independence will also do another thing for us. It will ensure that the US leads the world to developing a marketable industry using nano-technology. The lead in this race is crucial, and we must not let the Japanese, Germans, Chinese, or Indians beat us to this technology.
Nano-technology is going to be more life changing than the silicone revolution in the past 50 years. This is a materials paradigm shift; it’s going to allow people to make materials stronger than tool steel and lighter than aluminum. You’ll see cell phones with months of battery life, and airplanes running on electricity. You’re going to see amazing things.
Who will be the next Bill Gates? That’s why freedom is so important…because if Bill Gates was born in the USSR, he would have probably never left the farm.
Road to energy independence
begins at coal.
All the steps you have given will not reduce our foreign energy reliance at all. The energy has to come from somewhere, be it nuclear, oil, coal, etc...
CHA-CHING!
It already is
The majority of our electricity is already generated by coal.
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solar. solar. solar.
or salt water. we're not gonna run out of either for a LONG time. :)
Diesel
All of this fancy talk about "electric" cars (let's see you plow snow with an electric pickup truck).
Folks, I drive a 1981 VW Diesel pickup truck (i.e. long Rabbit) and get 45 mpg. That's a typical mileage for the VW Diesels. 1.6 L. Yes, it's a small engine but it sure does get me around.
So all of the high tech talk about some new "zap-zap" mobile powered by nano tube flop-gas really is nonsense.
electric cars are for city slickers- not the real world.
lol. ummm... i'm in canada.
and its not a problem!!!!! lol.
I doubt we will do away with gas altogether
Some vehicles will need some horsepower that batteries can't bring yet, so there will be a place for a ICE engine.
All I really need a car for is to get me to work and back, and that goes the same for most Americans. 45 mpg is excellent, but that's still paying about $0.06 per mile (at today's diesel prices). A comparable electric car would cost less than a third of that amount.
Luckily for you, if you stick to diesel and we do manage to attain energy independence, your diesel will have a stable cost and won't be subject to the whims of a handful of sheiks.
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Try this on for size
http://www.sigmaautomotive.com/electrocharger/electrocharger...
Hybrid retrofit kit for most motor vehicles.
Solar electricity
In the U.S., electricity generated from solar power has doubled every year for the past eight years. If it continues doubling then in another eight years solar power will generate enough electricity to supply the electricity needs of the entire country.
The end is near for the oil cartels.
Now if you charge that Tesla...
With windpower and photovoltaic energy, now that would take care of the "coal problem".
Building electric cars and improving
the energy storage capacity of batteries does not translate into energy independence. It may be good for the environment because of improved efficiency but...independent from what? Canadian oil? Coal? Electricity is needed to charge the batteries and electricity in this country is mostly generated by burning coal. So how do we gain "independence"?
Let free markets determine the winners.
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Coal, nuclear, wind, whatever
The infastructure is already there to deliver the electricity to charge the batteries...it's just a matter of increased generation.
Let the market decide what's the most cost effective way to deliver the electricity.
Besides, power generated at a central location is many factors of magnitude more efficient than gas burning automobiles. It would take a fraction of the energy...be it coal, diesel, or whatever...compared to burning the fuel in each car.
How do we gain independence? We have enough coal to sustain us for many many years to come without importing an ounce. We are therefore, energy independent.
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Actually
the infrastructure needs a lot of capital investment. For example, the capacity of the electrical grid in northern New England cannot accomodate wind farms coming online.
Certainly burning fossil fuels is more efficient in large centralized power plants but it only a fraction more not magnitudes greater. If co-generation is realized then that helps. But given burning coal in a centralized plant to produce electricty to charge batteries versus burning gasoline in a car...I would choose the gasoline!
Burn a ton of coal and you get 2 tons of CO2. Probably not a good idea.
Hybrid cars are awesome. Add solar or wind charging and they are even better. Add improved battery technology and well...we got it.
Except, the USA burns a LOT of imported oil to heat buildings. Solar thermal, anyone?
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Sure
Yes, we're going to have to sink money into updating our electrical system. We need more reliable and more efficient means of sending power. As the price of electicity goes up due to increased usage, it makes it more profitable to generate electicity at home, which will produce new power to the grid without installing a new power plant.
Burning coal in a central power plant that sends power to batteries will produce far far less CO2 than all of the individual cars burning their own tank of gasoline.
A single large generation is more efficient than many small generations.
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More efficient but not less
pollution. Coal burning power plants are notoriously "dirty". CO2 and lots of other crap.
With so many other options available why even bother with coal? The best step we can take is exactly what the free markets always turn to...conservation.
h-daddy
Agreed.
But I can actually see a glimmer of hope dealing with nanotechnology and battery life and usage. Now if they only applied it to the most abundant element in the known universe that powers nearly every star.
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Perhaps eventually
Perhaps eventually, you may be able to fit a fuel cell recharger engine aboard a electric powered car.
I don't think it'll be necessary. If the car can have a range of about 500 miles and a quick recharge of 10 minutes or so, the expense of a range extending engine isn't justifyable.
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A history of hiding free energy.
and I don't mean in the sense of completely free but super cheap and uber efficient as to truly free all people.
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cough..
not true.. Technology has been suppressed well before it ever had a chance to get to market.
If a profit cannot be made off it nor does it control a person to where they have to be dependent upon it then it will never get the free market treatment.
This sounds like a green thread poised to get people accepting running on less energy and more controlled systems..
Far from what I consider energy independent.
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Electricity is coal
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New Energy technology
will not come because some scum sucking politician wants to be seen as something he/she is not. New Energy will come because of the new hearts, minds and souls of the people who want and can put it to proper use. (More efficient killing machines is not proper use.) In other words as humanity wakes up from their slumbers they will "naturally" begin using new methods, new understandings and new applications. The old systems will simply be left behind - just as Ford came along and swept away thousands of years of animal use and abuse. He didn't fight against the old - he simply built something NEW. Same for Edison's light bulb, Telsa's alternating current and radio and the personal computer.
I think
I think you're giving people credit. Things like this don't develop out of a greater sense of helping, or proper use.
Ford, Tesla, and Edison has one thing in common. It wasn't a desire to do good and see a better world. It was a desire to be wealthier.
The greatest people in the history of the world, also tend to be the most selfish.
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Your wrong about Tesla he
Your wrong about Tesla he did have a greater sense of helping but he needed money to finance his R&D he would have given the world free electricity and ended all wars, healed people for free etc. He built and demonstrated the technology to do just that.
But our future was stolen from us by bankers and profiteers JP Morgan and Edison among them who tried to discredit him and bankrupted him.
If Westinghouse did not believe in him the technology we see today would not even be here. But there was so much more. Tesla gave up his royalty rights to save Westinghouse from bankruptcy (because of JP Morgans designs against Westinghouse) and died penniless because of it. He was the greatest genius of our times an his goal was to help humanity. he was thwarted from it by theses evil bastards. yet he managed to give us what we see today in technology anyway.
These same evil people are trying to steal the rest of our future today they need to be eradicated!
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Yes
Seeking wealth is the epitome of selfishness.
Are you assuming I consider selfish to be a bad thing? A 4 letter word?
Far from it. Selfishness is one of the most honest and true virtues that a person has, and it's the one trait that has yielded the majority of man's successes in history.
We've been trained that the only virtue is thinking about "We". I find collectivist thinking to be a disease that we must cure before we are to truly advance. If every person was preoccupied with serving the interests of theirself and their children, rather than serving or relying on society and mankind.
"Before you can say I love you, you must be able to say I" - Ayn Rand
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i think
that could be debated per person / case / invention..
but at any rate - they earned their wealth... well Tesla kinda got gypt i think...
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Not really
You may have gotten some of them speaking public comments to the contrary, but great men are always in it for themselves.
Tesla did get gypt, but for every Bill Gates, there is a Tim Paterson.
Tesla was a genius of an inexplainable order, but he was foolish enough to believe that Edison valued his word over his pocket.
Tim Paterson was the man who invented what became to be MS DOS, and it was bought by Bill Gates who spent 25K and became the wealthiest man in the world.
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No no! Don't develop energy
No no! Don't develop energy independence based on electric power and rechargeable batteries - that would harm the oil industry!!
In my opinion, this technology would not only have been available long ago, but it exists now but being kept out of the market. Technology is more profitable if released gradually. It is being "saved for a rainy day", so to speak.
Otherwise, the technology is ready to be developed, but isn't being funded.
I have a feeling that there will be a technological revolution in the next four years. It will be necessary if our economy is going to recover from the depression, and Obama will need this to happen to retain his image as the messiah.
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I think
I think you're assuming a nefarious plan to hold down certain technologies, you don't have to see it that way.
Battery technology has very much been on this path for a long time, but was stifled in the 1990's largely because of <$1.00 for a gallon of gasoline.
Our ability to store power in a battery is really quite limited because oil is easy and cheap...so there hasn't been a necessity. Really, what we have to thank for new battery technology is cell phones and laptops, because there was a consumer need for more power, less weight, less space...and a gasoline engine just would not cut it. So we get today's NiCad and Li ion batteries.
Yes, I agree. I think the true technological revolution will be a 20-30 year thing, and driven by nanotech. I'm a true science geek, and i'm just giddy at the ability to build materials molecule by molecule.
It will blow the computer age out of the water.
Any credit given to Obama is foolish...it's like giving Clinton credit for the economy of the 1990's. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates deserve the lion's share.
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Time for REAL change
These arguments are based on known technologies and will only have limited use in the future. There are new technologies "out there" that will RADICALLY transform science, engineering and society as we know it. These will come about when the Bad Guys are defeated and their constant interference to a better future for humanity is eliminated - and not before. Electricity in its current form, development and use will be superseded much as the horse and buggy went the way of the dinosaurs. These new energy developments are in the embryonic stages right now. Some are proving more successful than others but most are indeed coming along.
Some references
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http://peswiki.com/energy/News