Colonial Scrip popular and proven to stave off hunger in a depression
This article links End the Fed to popularity of Scrip in USA
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/end_the_fed_160.html
THE 39 END THE FED RALLIES held across America recently inspired
two Milwaukee neighborhoods to create their own local currency....This money is scrip, which has a long and noble history.
This article is a great history of scrip saving Argentina from starvation (among other things)
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1865467,00....
Alternative Currencies Grow in Popularity
By Judith D. Schwartz Sunday, Dec. 14,
Most of us take for granted that those rectangular green slips of paper we keep in our wallets are inviolable: the physical embodiment of value. But alternative forms of money have a long history, and appear to be growing in popularity....
(for you metalbugs out there, there's hope for that system to save our country too: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/45182)





















A current advocate of Greenback fiat money
is Ellen Brown. Her Web of Debt argues that public fiat like Lincoln greenbacks and Pennsylvania scrip could be a quick fix to the impending depression. Also there is much history of money worth learning about there.
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
There's a big usable system of scrip already in place and it's
There's a big usable system of scrip already in place and it is not the FED.
Please read this blog and go to the links in it and read it for yourself in the scanned pages of "National Banks of the Note Issuing Period" and SEE the scanned $ NOTES.
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Resistance is not futile, what's futile is non-resistance.
Live Free or Die! Because if you are not free you’re dead already!
FEDERAL USURPATION BY
FEDERAL USURPATION BY FRANKLIN PIERCE - copyright 1908
USURPATION IN THE CIVIL WAR AND RECONSTRUCTION PERIOD,pages 41-75
Everyone acquainted with the Civil War who has carefully watched events since that time must have seen a gradually accelerated movement of the centralization of government commencing at that time. This was brought about by the government's issue of legal-tender notes, by the creation of our national banking system, (Dunning, Essays on the Civil War and Reconstruction, pp. 30, 31.)
and especially by the protective tariff then instituted and since continued.Hamilton, in his masterly statement on the currency, said that bills of credit and paper emissions were expressly forbidden to the states by our present Constitution, and that the spirit of that prohibition extended to the National Government. Notwithstanding that it was the intent of the framers of the Constitution to prohibit the National Government, as well as the states, from making paper money legal tender, Congress, in 1862, declared such paper lawful money and a legal tender in payment of public and private debts, and authorized the issue of $150,000,000 in notes, our present greenbacks. Never before had a statute of the United States made anything but gold and silver coin a legal tender in payment of debts. The United States Supreme Court, at a later date, in a suit where these notes had been tendered and rejected in payment of a debt existing before the war, held that the act making them legal tender was unconstitutional; but afterwards, when the court was differently constituted,reversed its own decision. Without discussing further at the present time the constitutionality of this issue, all will acknowledge that the exercise of the power has made the government all powerful in banking and commercial affairs. When a government issues the money of the country and has the tempting power to increase the amount for use in aiding private bankers, such power makes the government almost omnipotent.
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"Evil for evil, a good despotism in a country at all advanced in civilization is more noxious than a bad one, for it is more relaxing and enervating to the thoughts, feelings, and energies of the people." - John Stuart Mill
"A government of reason is better than one of force." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1820
That is a great book Jeff
That is a great book Jeff and so few people have read it or even heard of it.
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"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent...to put shackles upon sleeping men.
— Voltairine de Cleyre (1886-1912)
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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
I'm currently in the middle
I'm currently in the middle of reading it.It's amazing to me how The Reconstruction Act was carried out.
"This act recited that no legal state government or adequate protection of life and property existed in the states of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Texas, and Arkansas, and it provided that these states should be divided into five military districts under the command of officers of the army, assigned thereto by the President."
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"Evil for evil, a good despotism in a country at all advanced in civilization is more noxious than a bad one, for it is more relaxing and enervating to the thoughts, feelings, and energies of the people." - John Stuart Mill
"A government of reason is better than one of force." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1820
If you are interested in The
If you are interested in The Reconstruction I would highly recommend these older volumes:
Dixie After the War: Eyewitness Accounts of Reconstruction
by Myrta Lockett Avary 1906
Hampton and His Redshirts
by Alfred B. Williams 1935
Ousting the Carpetbagger From South Carolina
by Henry T. Thompson 1927
The Prostrate State: South Carolina Under Negro Government
by James Shepherd Pike 1871
They are truly amazing histories, eye-openers that definitely begs many questions. They are not, of course, politically correct in regards to accepted history.
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— Voltairine de Cleyre (1886-1912)
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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
I’ve been a little confused…
For a long long time I have wondered why in the world more societies across the nation haven't "taken the bull by the horns. Other American societies have done what the people in Wisconsin have.
For most folks this is probably much easier said than done. But defying the federal mob doesn't even really take guts; take it from one who knows. They might outgun us, but we outnumber them. Besides, we're much much much smarter those self-centered egomaniacs. Anyone who is driven by the love of money as well as a completely unquenchable thirst for domination isn't too bright. They're simply educated morons busy about the business of foolishness and self destruction in the name of temporal comfort. Their stupidity is beyond understanding.
--Cliff, Sioux City, Iowa
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We not only out number them, but we out gun them too!!!
In 1996 when they past the Brady Bill Gun ownership went from 70 mil to over 100 mil and they lost count after that. Many of the gun bought were military weapons with tons of ammo. Don't kind yourself the they may not fear us, but they fear those guns!!!
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Resistance is not futile, what's futile is non-resistance.
Live Free or Die! Because if you are not free you’re dead already!
thank you.
your truth is refreshing.
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Compare Counterfeiting Potential
As to the ease of counterfeiting, the Fed can counterfeit trillions of dollars with a few key strokes (as been amply demonstrated lately). You would have to chew and shave a lot of coins to achieve that. The difference of “ease of counterfeiting” of the two systems is astronomical.
That’s why the banksters HATE the gold standard. It binds their hands.
And who said that you have to carry coins anyway. You can have electronic money, or paper money backed by gold and silver just as well.
Parenthetically. Did you realize that the amount of gold in the world is immaterial. One pound of gold (if we were limited to that) could support the entire world economy as the means of exchange. The medium of exchange must be:
1) Stable.
2) Infinitely divisible.
3) Impossible to counterfeit.
ANY amount of gold satisfies these requirements.
This currency was born when a lack of gold and silver made trade
difficult. Colonial scrip was not backed by gold or silver and therefore the colonies could control its purchasing power. This was similar to the "tally stick" system used by the British Empire for over 700 years. It was different from the conventional European mercantilist system of money which required governments to borrow from banks and pay interest for those loans, as gold and silver were the only regarded forms of money. Colonial scrip, were "bills of credit" created by the government, based on the credit of that government, and this meant that there was no interest to pay for the introduction of money. This went a considerable way towards defraying the expense of the Colonial governments and in maintaining prosperity. The Governments charged low interest when it loaned out this paper money to its citizens, with land as collateral, and this interest income lowered the tax burden on the people, contributing to prosperity.
The currency was born when a lack of gold and silver in the Colonies made trade hard to conduct, and a barter system prevailed. One by one, the Colonies began to issue their own paper money to serve as a medium of exchange to make trade vibrant. The Governments could then retire excess notes out of circulation by taxing the people, helping some colonies generally avoid inflation. Each colony had its own currency and some were better managed than others. It was banned by English Parliament in the Currency Act after Benjamin Franklin had explained the benefits of this currency to the British Board of Trade. Outlawing the circulating medium caused a depression in the colonies, and Franklin and many others believed it to be the true cause of the American Revolution.
The Pennsylvania version of this currency was said to be the most effective, because they controlled the money supply and issued only enough notes so as to satisfy the demands of trade, preventing inflation. In 1938, Dr. Richard A. Lester, an economist at Princeton University, wrote that “The price level during the 52 years prior to the American Revolution and while Pennsylvania was on a paper standard was more stable than the American price level has been during any succeeding fifty-year period.” Pennsylvania established a "land bank" that allowed landowners to borrow scrip with their land as collateral. They could borrow twice the value of their land, half of it representing actual land value, and the other half representing production potential of the land. The loan was to be retired over a set period of years, with the land ownership being restored to the citizen upon payment. When the loan was fully retired, another loan could be taken out.
Benjamin Franklin helped create the Pennsylvania Scrip, and in his autobiography he wrote of this currency: "The utility of this currency became by time and experience so evident as never afterwards to be much disputed."
Franklin believed the shutting down of this paper money by Parliament in 1764 was the principal cause of the American Revolution, as did many other prominent Americans. Peter Cooper, founder of Cooper Union College, Vice-President of the New York Board of Currency, US Presidential Candidate in 1876, and one-time colleague of Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin said in his 1883 book Ideas for a Science of Good Government:
After Franklin had explained…to the British Government as the real cause of prosperity, they immediately passed laws, forbidding the payment of taxes in that money. This produced such great inconvenience and misery to the people, that it was the principal cause of the Revolution. A far greater reason for a general uprising, than the Tea and Stamp Act, was the taking away of the paper money.
(from Wikipedia)
Ah yes, the source of all
Ah yes, the source of all knowledge WIKI....
I suggest you read the writings of Franklin...I have all 50 volumes and I think you would be enlighted by what he later said regarding paper scrip.
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— Voltairine de Cleyre (1886-1912)
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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
why don't you just tell us
why don't you just tell us here?
What I do know is what Franklin wrote in his autobiography, where he said the utility of Pennsylvania scrip was "so evident as never afterwards to be much disputed"
First, it is important to
First, it is important to understand that paper money began in this country around 1690. The various legislatures of the colonies directly issued paper money in earnest beginning around 1720, mainly in the New England Colonies. Most were used as war time measures in the beginning but quickly became a prominent part of the colonial economy until massive inflation began to take its toll in the 1750s. Pennsylvania was the most successful in the paper money system because, unlike the other colonies, Pennsylvania backed its paper money with land assets of the colonial subjects who borrowed the paper money from the Pennsylvania legislature which in turn backed it by future earnings of tax revenues. We must however, remember that in the colonies there were foreign gold, silver, copper coinage in circulation. Now it was also typical that, even in Pennsylvania, paper money would have an expiration date based on when certain taxes were due on the land-backed paper money and it was then removed from circulation with new money issued in its stead. The reason the Pennsylvania did this was to avoid what had taken place in other colonies, which was hyperinflation.
Now, you will easily find that the vast majority of Franklin’s lauding of paper money was in his younger years. One of his first pamphlet’s was called “A Modest Enquiry into the Nature and Necessity of a Paper Currency” at the age of 23.
Franklin states the nature of the Pennsylvania paper money system:
“coined land” or a properly run land bank will automatically stabilize the quantity of paper money issued — never too much and never too little to carry on the province’s internal trade. If there is too little paper money, the barter cost of trade will be high, and people will borrow more money on their landed security to reap the gains of the lowered costs that result when money is used to make transactions. A properly run land bank will never loan more paper money than the landed security available to back it, and so the value of paper money,
through this limit on its quantity, will never fall below that of land. If, by chance, too much paper money were issued relative to what was necessary to carry on internal trade such that the paper money started to lose its value, people would snap up this depreciated paper money to pay off their mortgaged lands in order to clear away the mortgage lender’s legal claims to the land. So people could potentially sell the land to capture its real value. This process of paying paper money back into the government would reduce the quantity of paper money in circulation and so return paper money’s value to its
former level. are accommodated by a flexible internal money supply
directly tuned to that demand. This in turn controls and stabilizes the value of money and the price level within the province.”
Now, problems arose and Franklin was well aware of these problems. As always when there is the ability to issue paper money there must be care that the power of issuance is restrained. The Colonial Legislature of Pennsylvania didn’t always follow the strict design of the Land-Bank paper money system. In fact, as usual, they issued large amounts of paper money beyond the land-tax base. This was not just a one-time occurrence, but it happened often. Now remember, these Pennsylvania Scrip was to be redeemed at the time of tax collection, but since the legislature issued more Scrip than future taxes many people were left holding worthless paper with no redemption value what-so-ever. So, this was a problem and it was a problem that Franklin never really solved.
Now Franklin proposed such a system for the entirety of the British Colonies and in 1765 he sought to solve Lord Grenville’s desire to raise British Taxes on the colonists; remember Franklin was still very much Loyal to the Crown. He wrote the proposal that a universal paper system similar to that of Pennsylvania be imposed on the Colonies. The British would run the land-banks, collect interest and taxes from the colonists.
In 1765, in response to Lord
Grenville’s challenge to come up with some palatable way
for the British to increase taxes on the colonists to help pay
for the Seven Years War, Franklin writes up a proposal for
a North-America-wide universal paper currency modeled
on Pennsylvania’s land bank system. The British would
run the colonial land bank and collect the interest on the
paper money loaned out to colonists in place of any new
direct taxes placed on the colonists. During the early1770s, it appears that the Crown began to institute Franklin’s system over the colonies in various ways, including the Stamp Act. At that point Franklin abandoned his proposal for such paper money system and he even distance himself from his authorship of the system.
By 1775 however, Franklin had drastically changed his tune on the subject of paper money. Although he suggested a better paper money system to Congress, it was rejected because of the experience of the colonies and later the Continental Scrip. In 1781, in a pamphlet entitled “Of the Paper Money of America” Franklin states that the depreciation of the Continental Dollar operated, as we now know, a tax on the money itself, or inflation. He states that such a tax unfairly fell on those who could afford it the least and that every man who held on to the Continental Scrip too long between the time of issue and the time he spent it would pay a higher rate of tax because of inflation.
In 1785, Franklin, 79 years old, returns to American and is elected Governor of Pennsylvania. Right before he arrived and assumed office, the Pennsylvania Legislature issued 150,000.00 in new paper money. Two years later, in 1787, in several letters he mentioned that:
“It [the paper money issue] was made before my arrival, and not being a legal tender can do no injustice to anybody, nor does any one here complain of it, though many are justly averse to an increase of the quantity at this time.” This gives an indication of his later view of paper money. He also said: “Paper money in moderate quantities has been found beneficial; when more than the occasions of commerce
require, it depreciated and was mischievous; and the populace
are apt to demand more than is necessary.”
Franklin was however, far more pleased with the new bank-based money after the Revolution, because he said: “…the bank’s management is so prudent, that I have no doubt of it continuing to go on well. Their notes are always instantly paid on demand in gold and silver, and pass on all occasions as readily as silver.”
It appears that with age comes wisdom, even in a man of such stature as the Honorable Benjamin Franklin.
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yeah, you know why Franklin
yeah, you know why Franklin favored the Bank of North America?
war profiteer Robert Morris lent him the gold to be an investor in it. Despite Franklin's words, the bank was a complete and utter failure.
Meanwhile, in the years after the Revolution, the Pennsylvania scrip outperformed the Bank of North America's gold-backed notes! This was demonstrated by Dr. Farley Grubb of the National Bureau of Economic Research.
It goes to show that gold/fiat doesn't matter as much as who has the issuing power: the people or the banks
Thus we have the
Thus we have the Constitutional mandate...now if we could get back to it.
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I think it's imperative
at this time to return to the gold standard to cure the economy and to reel in government spending. But we would also have to phase out the Fed, end usury, and scrap Keynes.
All the things RP talks about come into play when working on a plan to save the country from bankruptcy.
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
1775 - A Democratic Currency?
"Although he suggested a better paper money system to Congress, it was rejected because of the experience of the colonies and later the Continental Scrip."
Franklin still thought bills of credit were a better system! Now that the Revolution was underway perhaps he was thinking correctly of a currency not counterfeited by British agents.
Something similar to this
Something similar to this person's plan might work quite well (gold/silver backed): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=171697
I've started a [dead] thread for this here: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/75768
Ok. Let’s define counterfeiting.
Ok. Let’s define counterfeiting.
Counterfeiting is conjuring purchasing power out of nothing. By this definition the government now is the greatest counterfeiter of all.
By what moral right can a bureaucrat or a bankster, with a stroke of a pen claim fruits of the labors of someone who actually worked and produced goods and services? None. There is no such moral right. It is THEFT through counterfeiting, no matter who is engaged in it, be it government, private bankster, or a criminal.
That’s why I said, the ONLY honest monetary system, is commodity based one, the one that CANNOT be counterfeited. And nothing served as well and for so long as gold and silver, which is precisely what the Constitution demands.
Ok. Let’s define counterfeiting.
Ok. Let’s define counterfeiting.
Counterfeiting is conjuring purchasing power out of nothing. By this definition the government now is the greatest counterfeiter of all.
By what moral right can a bureaucrat or a bankster, with a stroke of a pan claim fruits of the labors of someone who actually worked and produced goods and services? None. There is no such moral right. It is THEFT through counterfeiting, no matter who is engaged in it, be it government, private bankster, or a criminal.
That’s why I said, the ONLY honest monetary system, is commodity based one, the one that CANNOT be counterfeited. And nothing served as well and for so long as gold and silver, which is precisely what the Constitution demands.
I'll not argue in favor of fiat
But even gold can be counterfeited. Ever wondered why people used to bite gold coins? Then there's pressing, shaving, hording...
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
What does hoarding have to do with counterfeit gold?
When did saving become hoarding? Many of us here are "hoarders". Problem?
Also, there are images and ridges on the edge of coins to ensure the coin hasn't been physically altered.
Having said that, the Chinese have created a fake Morgan dollar that takes an expert to spot. Be careful.
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I was referring to mass hoarding
something more along the lines of cornering the market.
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
In a sound monetary system
In a sound monetary system mass hoarders would cut their own throats by such hoarding. Since gold and silver are mediums of exchange, the money does little good to anyone sitting in a vault, including the hoarder. Outside of prudent savings, mass hoarding does the hoarder little good and gives ultimately provides him with little benefit. That is one of the wonders of a sound monetary system, it doesn't reward mass hoarding and if a mass hoarder were so concerned with profiting it would not be through hoarding in a sound monetary system.
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"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent...to put shackles upon sleeping men.
— Voltairine de Cleyre (1886-1912)
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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
True
But if someone was holding the gold they could dictate wages to the people who have none.
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
There should be a law against that.
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I know
There should also be a law against usury. I think if you pinned our economic problems down to one thing then the charging of interest would be it.
I wish someone could tell me why the government chooses to borrow money from the Federal Reserve at interest rather than printing our own interest free money.
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
It is extremely difficult to
It is extremely difficult to counterfeit gold and silver coin.
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"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent...to put shackles upon sleeping men.
— Voltairine de Cleyre (1886-1912)
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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
Perhaps
but I would never underestimate the resourcefulness of determined thieves.
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"