Galt's Gulch Exists! The NH Free State Project
Submitted by borisimo on Tue, 12/16/2008 - 23:18We already have our own Galt's Gulch; It is called THE FREE STATE PROJECT and resides in our own NEW HAMPSHIRE.
This project is REAL, and already providing REAL results for many more years than most people here have been "awake'.
If you are looking for fancy, get no results projects this is not for you; But if you are looking to make a REAL difference and live in FREEDOM in your lifetime... then find out about what real freedom fighters are DOING NOW IN THE REAL WORLD.
LET'S ROCK NEW HAMPSHIRE WITH FREEDOM IN OUR LIFETIMES!!!
"Are you frustrated at the loss of freedom and responsibility in America, while the growth of government and taxes continues unabated? Do you want to live in strong communities where your rights are respected, and people exercise responsibility for themselves and in their dealings with each other?
If you answered "yes" to those questions, then the Free State Project has a solution for you.
What the Free State Project is... The Free State Project is an effort to recruit 20,000 liberty-loving people to move to New Hampshire. We are looking for neighborly, productive, tolerant folks from all walks of life, of all ages, creeds, and colors who agree to the political philosophy expressed in our Statement of Intent, that government exists at most to protect people's rights, and should neither provide for people nor punish them for activities that interfere with no one else.
When you sign our Statement of Intent, you signal your commitment to move to the chosen free state, New Hampshire, within five years of obtaining 19,999 other people who commit to move. The more signatures we get, the more secure people can be in their decision to move, because they know that many other people will also be moving— enough to make a real difference! You don't have to wait until we have 20,000 signatures to move, of course, but that option is there to let you be more secure in your decision. "
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE FREE STATE PROJECT?
Boris in Miami



















Didn't they all
Vote for Obama?
Keep NH in mind.......... As the Banker Fertilizer hits the fan.
Remember the Free State Project!
Boris in Miami
"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom
"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2
Nah...
I've always trusted my Dad on stuff like this since I woke up and looked around and he could really talk to me about the situation.
I didn't do that till around 30, so we've had some pretty amazing conversations since. He's got a better ideal than most of what is really going on... his friends and business associates are what we would call ~connected~.
He lives in Montana... ;)
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
fsprebel, I admit I am just completely biased
against NH. Guilty as charged. I simply do not like the lifestyle there, so I have a hard time generating much enthusiasm for the state. Add to that the fact that because of all the reasons given for Sununu's loss--all valid--the dopes in NH (inheritors of the "Live Free or Die" mantra) went for Obama. Of all the freakin' people they could have voted for--the supposed lovers of liberty in NH go for Obama? No excuse whatsoever.
Also, I do pay property taxes in NH in a town that's duller than a doorknob, which is most of the towns/cities in NH. I've never been to Hanover...might be ok. Portsmouth? OK, I guess. The "vibe" in NH is so low as to be non-existent. I'm sorry...I am really incorrigible on this subject. But good luck to the FSP.
"Dopes in NH"
Hardly. Obama won because, strange as it may seem, he was viewd as the better candidate. Who else could they have voted for? Nadar? Barr? I wrote in Dr. Paul but the average voter up hear truly doesn't know much about him.
Dull in NH means almost no crime, decent schools, polite drivers, good food, plenty of jobs, friendly neighbors. And people tend to mind their own business.
h-daddy
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this is by far my favorite thread on DP.
what a good idea.
i ignored the nay-sayers, read the various links provided, and now I have to say that this truly is a revolutionary idea.
read it and weep: r-e-v-o-l-u-t-i-o-n-a-r-y
So why did Sununu lose, and Obama carry NH?
I stand by my earlier comments re NH. And NH has the second highest property taxes in the country. That state is toast and blue...
But to paraphrase Ron Paul, if I end up being wrong, I shall be very pleased.
Why did Sununu lose his Senate seat?
A excellent question! IMHO there were three primary reasons. One, he was up against a very popular Dem. candidate - the former Gov..She had made few enemies, was a decent governor, and not wildly liberal by any means. Two, Sununu was 100% for the 700 billion dollar bailout that was voted on in both the House and Senate just before the election. His public support cost him any small chance he may have had. Three, Sununu embraced Pres. Bush's policies.
Obama won NH because McCain was seen as pro-war and senile.
It is true that personal property taxes in NH are high. But the overall tax burden is low.
h-daddy
Yes, New Hampshire actually
Yes, New Hampshire actually has the lowest tax burden of any state in the country except Alaska (which is highly subsidized by the Fed Gov).
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> Yes, New Hampshire actually has the lowest tax burden of any state in the country except Alaska (which is highly subsidized by the Fed Gov).
subsidized? are you kidding me? what makes you say Alaska is highly subsidized? the feds stole 90% of our land, all our resources, and drop a few pennies into our cups out of the bazillions of resources they plunder. subsidized? you're crazy. if it wasn't for the feds, we'd be 10x richer than Saudi Arabia.
Friend,
Please understand that property tax rates are not universally high in NH, they depend on the town. P--tax rates are levied by the localities and can be voted on by the citizens in what are known as warrant articles. Obviously, a left-leaning town will tend to have higher P--tax rates and such. But overall, NH has the lowest general taxes in the lower 48 states--which should seem the focus for now. As more movers arrive, lowering the property taxes will become more plausible. Keep in mind that the FSP is still in its infancy.
In regards to the state being blue, so what? After 8 years of the Bush regime, any true independent state would've turned to the other color. With the national media and all their hype and hoopla, Obama was inevitably going to win. Would you have been gunho about the FSP if McCain had won? Remember, they're all cut from the same cloth. What you may not have known is that during the national democratic sweep, NH gained 17 GOPers to the state house. As previously mentioned, 4 freestaters won as well as about 90+ other reps that were endorsed by the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance (meaning they were ~70%+ on the Nolan chart). This is great progress this early on in the movement. What do you think will happen in 2 yrs, 4 yrs, or more? I predict the FSP activist move-in rate will grow exponentially in the next few years.
Couldn't believe my eyes!
I own land in Grafton, NH (home of the unofficial Free Town Project), and my property taxes actually went *down* this summer. :)
You'll be pleased...
I don't know about Sununu, but please check the Tax Foundation's analysis for the real NH state and local tax situation. We must consider all of the taxes in a state to get to a bottom line.
New Hampshire's State/Local Tax Burden Among Nation's Lowest
In nearly every year of the past three decades, New Hampshire's state and local tax burden has ranked among the nation's lowest. Estimated at 7.6% of income, New Hampshire's state/local tax burden percentage ranks 46th highest in the nation, well below the national average of 9.7%
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/43.html
How does your state measure up?
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/9.html
Here is a thread from the free state project
Fortune Favors the Bold
Apparently they have encountered some resistance. i don't know all the details here, but something about jailing a landlord for refusing to order his tenants to remove a couch?
Anybody got some more details?
http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2008/11/16/thank-you-mr-burke/#...
Fortune Favors the Bold
Old news
You can find the complete story over at http://freekeene.com. You'll have to scroll down quite a bit or type 'couch' into the search. But to save you the trouble, I'll just say that this thing has been over for at least a month now. Basically, the judge had intended to arrest Free Keene's Ian before the hearing even started in order to clamp down on those civil disobedient types. This is the video of the judge loosing his mind on camera when Ian didn't sit fast enough-- http://ridleyreport.com/video/2008/nov/nh_slow_sitting_arres.... Ian was originally given 3 contempt of court charges X 30 days/piece plus 3 days for refusing to pay the fine. In the end Ian only served 3 days... During those 3 days in jail, legions of activists were calling the judge's, prosecutor's and corrections office--kind of how the RP activists did whenever RP was snubbed on tv or online.
Fortune Favors the
Fortune Favors the Bold
Because if we did, there's a number to call...
Fortune Favors the Bold
What a wonderful thread! I'm happy the FSP inspired 104 comment
What could be better than to live amongst people who seek and appreciate living in freedom? Who live in freedom for themselves; Who know what America really means!
With the majority of people around who live in a fantasy inspired fog, I think it would be an extra dose of reality to live amongst free people and see what their lives are like.
So once again... chin... chin to all you who aspire to live in FREEDOM in OUR LIFE TIME!
Boris in Miami
"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2
It's for real. Don't wait. I moved from Las Vegas.
I'm still not used to the snow and cold, but the fires of liberty are burning bright in New Hampshire. Come see for yourself. Besides the nearly 700 FSP members that are now LIVING HERE, there is easily that number again of locals who are thrilled that we are here. They've joined us as honorary Porcupines, and we've joined their gun rights groups, their no-helmet motorcycle groups, their medical marijuana/decrim groups, their LP, RP, and DP groups, their churches, and their bowling leagues.
I see more libertarians/Ron Paul Republicans in a week than I did in a month in Las Vegas, a city with a larger population than all of NH.
We are living Liberty in Our Lifetime. Come see for yourself. Come visit for one week, or even less, and we'll introduce you to more Ron Paul/Ayn Rand/CATO.org/Goldwater Republicans/pro-freedom people than you've met in your life! Just visit the Free State Project forum for links and calendars and discussions.
I think its a solid idea
Fortune Favors the Bold
after having my venue shut down, AGAIN, i am all about practical options to live with some degree of freedom in my lifetime. How are things culturally?
(I often find people who are theoretically freedom minded sometimes apply that freedom very selectively.)
Fortune Favors the Bold
Should be a push for the Free COUNTY Project instead
Should be a push for the Free COUNTY Project instead. Maybe then, a small but focused group could make a difference. A State is too big and a town is too small, with no policing powers outside of that one town. At the county level, you take over the Sheriffs office, you can now start arresting some of the real criminals for their crimes against the Constitution perpetrated by Feds, State and Town LEOs.
This idea was expressed early on, but pushed aside.
Makes me think that the whole FSP project is yet another distraction.
Like lets gather all the rabble rousers into one state so we can keep an eye on them. While they will never get enough people to move in to any one state to make a statewide difference.
Kinda like the Ron Paul convention that took away all the real freedom lovers away from the RhINO copnvention, so the Republinazis didnt have to worry about any freedom getting out all over the news or convention floor.
Take over a County in ANY state , then you are talking about something, and you dont have to leave the state you live in. We need for all 50 states to have freedom thinkers.
FSP or FTP (Town) will in the end be a waste of resources. And maybe thats what the Harvard grad that came up with it, was eventually there to put forth. The # of people moving into NHs FSP are way below expected or projected numbers.
And whats happening is that the number of freedom lovers moving in, are being outpaced by the liberals leaving TaxaChewshits high tax rate but still bringing their socialist-communist mindset to beautiful NH.
Those are my thoughts on this subject.
BC
i agree w/thee_bluecardinal
There is only ONE lawful way to restore the principles the USA was founded upon that I can think of - and if you can think of a better way, I'd like to hear it, because I see everything else as futile. I don't see the FSP changing any of the core problems. FSP wants 20,000 people to sway a vote? we could take over 20 counties and install 100% constitutional government/enforcement immediately with that number of people! what follows is a condensed post from freedom4um that is relevant to the discussion:
First, we must understand that the 'Civil' War didn't free slaves, it just made EVERYONE slaves of the federal government by creating federal subjects called "US citizens", which came from the Civil Rights Act of 1866, then amended into the Constitution in the 14th Amendment. Federal subjects have no 'rights', only 'priviledges'.
This, and the loss of _s_tate sovereignty (in the creation of federal political subdivision [municipal] overlays called _S_tates - eliminating all dejure _s_tate offices/officers/oaths/bonds) is at the core of turning everything upside down, turning everyone into subjects to the unaccountable federal government and it's corporate creations: States, agencies/agents/employees, etc. This is NOT government, though most people think of it as government.
These are merely hired guns, mercenaries just like Blackwater Inc., and they all operate under the color-of-office, color-of-authority, and color-of-law. The final nails in the coffin came when an unconstitutional 4th
branch of 'administrative government' was created under President Franklin Roosevelt which left the other 3 branches
(Executive/Legislative/Judicial) vacant.
There is NOTHING left of our Constitutional form of government (except Sheriffs and Notaries) and fighting within the fraud to stop the fraud is without any reasonable or practical sense. Waiting for them to come grab guns and die in a suicide-by-cop is also idiotic - there are an endless supply of people that will serve evil for $$$.
If everyone refused to EVER sign any contract whereby one admits to being a "US/federal citizen/subject", things would be pretty much right themselves, and all the fraud would fall apart, but that isn't going to happen. The masses of people will always prefer ignorance, dependency, and slavery to the responsibilities of freedom.
Thus, the only practical way to restore the principles of life,
liberty, and property is for a group of less than 1000 patriotic
and knowledgeable people to move and become residents of any one of the several dozen of counties in the USA that have less than 1000 in population. Loving County in Texas for example has only 300 people or so. This doesn't mean everyone must purchase property - it means to *reside* by any means necessary to vote in a
Constitutionally and lawfully aware Sheriff.
THEN: everyone votes in a patriotic and Constitutionally knowledgeable Sheriff - who can then KEEP OUT ALL GOVT *EMPLOYEES* - BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL OPERATING UNDER THE COLOR-OF-OFFICE/AUTHORITYLAW in their enforcements over "US citizens", and have NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY over a Sheriff or natural born citizens - people of the land. This will be 100% lawful, and the Sheriff can deputize the whole county to 'preserve the peace', which is his highest responsibility. The Sheriff is the HIGHEST Constitutional law enforcement authority in the land - no one can lawfully usurp his authority to enforce Constitutional law, and everyone in the county can lawfully support him with whatever force necessary.
ALL patriot groups could take part and would be needed - the Constitutional law scholars, the subsistence farmers, the unorganized militia that train and prepare, the activists/organizers and radio hosts, etc. Someone with a voice needs to motivate this into happening. Waiting to be reactive is stupid, futile, and a big waste of time; it is long past time to be PROACTIVE!
If we can just accomplish this with ONE COUNTY/500 people, it will begin to attract support and attention, and then there is a chance for other counties to follow.
Only by restoring *law* (as opposed to statutes/regulations/policy) and offices/officers/oaths/bonds and ridding ourselves of federal agencies/agents/employees and the associated dependency/servitude of 'US citizenship' can we achieve the founding principles of the USA. I see no other practical solution.
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i have thought about this for years. i spent over 10 years fighting in courts and fighting pigs and withdrawing in every way from the beast system - and i am tired - i am not seeing enough people waking up - and i don't see any other way left.
if we can't even get 500 patriots together to take a county and stand for life, liberty, and property - then something is wrong. i have written many 'patriot' radio hosts and other leaders - and i get no response. everyone is such a coward - and it makes me sick. it is as if everyone is an 'op' whose job it is to keep people on their sofas, idle.
waiting to be reactive will accomplish NOTHING - how can anyone disagree? and what better way is there to be proactive?
right now - there are millions collecting ammo and guns - for what? right now - there are millions storing freeze-dried food - for what? so you are secure as your state and union are plundered and taken over? WTF kind of dumb-ass strategy is that?
then what do you do after your food runs out in 5-10 years? then what? are you going to be happy with what you are left with? i don't know where people's heads are.
i'll tell you what to do with your guns/ammo/food - get off your ass and sit on the Gulf Coast Beach in Loving County for a year eating your freeze-dried food so you are qualified to vote - and then vote in a Constitutionally aware Sheriff - someone with some $$$ can buy a big chunk of land and divide it up for farming/ranching, and then use your guns/ammo to keep govt *employees* out!
employees are NOT public officers, and they have NO AUTHORITY over anyone at all in any way. they are no different than employees of any other corporation, except the fact that they are engaged in a massive fraud of authority against Americans.
then we will have taken ONE SMALL STEP FOR FREEDOM, and ONE GIANT STEP FOR THE WORLD TO SEE! the world is waiting to see what we do. at the very least, it would be a historical event that would go down in the history books ...
the first turn in the tide of fascism/socialism/communism. the
first true stand for life/liberty/property/law/freedom.
of course - i do not think the 'agencies/employees' will like it - and i think there would be a fair chance of violent conflict sooner or later - but there are 1000's who say they will die for freedom - and there's a lawful, good, and productive way to go about it with better odds than waiting for a SWAT team to come after you and your guns in your home alone at 4am.
another important point i should add is that this is the whole
purpose of a Militia - to uphold the Constitution and ensure it is in force and effect - and without a legitimate Command-in-Chief, the Militia is on its own now. so - i can't think of anything else for a Militia to do - if they can't ensure the Constitutionality of one county, what is the sense in any "right to bear arms"? the right is tied to the Militia - to ensure the force and effect of the Constitution. and a county is the smallest political subdivision where that can exist.
you know: the supreme court may very well pass on all the challenges to Obamas citizenship - because nothing is as it seems - nevertheless - it can't be made any more clear that there is little left when anyone in the world can now be made your "President/Tyrant/Authority" and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military and paramilitary police forces in the world.
i apologize a little for strong language, i just get a real bad
feeling that the concensus is to react as victims to whatever comes our way next; because i think there is more much more strength in having some organization/unification, and more strength in choosing the ground/situation; and much better possibilities/outcomes and ways to be productive.
it is difficult for me to imagine the media broadcasting such an action, without also imagining millions of people also getting energized/activated - seeing that some people
are taking a stand to live free outside the dictates of
agencies/agents/employees as the rest continue to suffer in the economy of the police state. everything else appears to me as frog-boiling-in-the-water stuff, and it makes me a little nervous.
this is an example of what we find in Alaska, which is probably similar to other states:
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Peace officers such as a Sheriff should have the following:
1) must have an Oath of Office as a public officer under public seal in a public forum for inspection.
2) must have a Certificate of Election being elected by and accountable to the people of Alaska.
3) must have an Official Bond being highly bonded by his personal assets.
4) must be accountable by either recall or impeachment by the people for nonfeasance, misfeasance or malfeasance, and ouster from office
by quo warranto if the Oath, Certificate, and Bond were not accomplished before entering the duties of his Office (or within 15 days or so).
within the lawful government of the State of Alaska, as all other of the several States and the United States, there are only two types of people in the government:
A) the first is a public officer, which is a person that is
authorized and empowered by the people to exercise some of the sovereignty of the state over our life, liberty and property. this public officer has discretion within the limits of this authorized and empowered office. to assure that these people are properly authorized and empowered by the people of Alaska, the following items must be accomplished before entering the duties of their office. these items must be in a public forum for inspection by
we the people:
1. Oath of Office as a public officer of the State of Alaska under public seal. as the United States of America is an Oath swearing nation, this is our highest form of assurance that the person is bound by the our organic law, including the Constitution of the United States.
2. Certificate of Election or Civil Commission under public seal. the Alaska State Troopers are not elected by the people, but purportedly appointed, therefore they must have a Civil Commission from a public officer of the State of Alaska to authorize and empower them. this Civil Commission is very similar to the document that all Notary Publics have from the Lt. Governor that will always be displayed where the Notary Public notarizes documents.
3. the Official Bond is like a performance bond used by contractors and has the same purpose to assure performance of the public officer to the people, the Constitution, and the duties of their office. It is also a financial assurance that the public officer will not
deprive us of due process of law and violate our rights secured in the Constitution. the public officer will place their personal assets in the form of an official bond payable to the State of Alaska, it is specifically for the benefit of the people of Alaska if this public officer should damage us in some manner by their actions or lack of their action.
the office that they enter must be created by the Constitution or by the Legislature, and it is not mere employment. it will have a term of office along with specific duties of one of the three branches of government, being executive, legislative, or judicial.
B) the second is a public employee, which is a person that has only ministerial duties. they are not authorized or empowered to exercise any sovereignty of the state over our life, liberty, and property. they have specific duties for their job and they have supervisors that monitor their actions. they can not be impeached, recalled, or oustered from office, as there is no office.
the Judges and Justices (Magistrates) all have employee affidavits as public employees of the State of Alaska. this negates them being public officers of the State of Alaska. the employee affidavit is labeled as an Oath and a second Oath is also taken by the Magistrates as a deception for the Oath of Office of a public officer. the true Oath of Office of a public officer of the State of Alaska is found in Article XII section 5 of the Constitution of the State of Alaska and it is in quotation marks and can not be changed except by amendment. there are 41 words in this Oath and no Magistrate has this exact Oath of Office as a public officer of the State of Alaska.
the exact words are as follows from Article XII Section 5 of the Constitution of the State of Alaska:
all public officers, before entering upon the duties of their
offices, shall take and subscribe to the following oath or affirmation:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Alaska, and that I will faithfully discharge my duties as . . . to the best of my ability." the legislature may prescribe further oaths or affirmations.
the lower courts being the District Courts and Superior Courts have one style of the deceptive Oath of Office and the Supreme Court has another version of deceptive Oath of Office. they have changed the words around and the punctuation. the Oath of Office will not show the source of the Oath being the Constitution. they will use O A T H O F O F F I C E, with spaces between the letters of the words and underline the letters. this does not spell words, another deception.
the words used by John Reese are as follows:
I, JOHN REESE, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and the Constitution of the State of Alaska and that I will faithfully discharge my duties as a judicial officer for the State of Alaska to the best of my abilities.
there are many deceptions in this Oath. the name 'JOHN REESE' isn't in the public officer oath mandated. they have changed the 'Constitution of the United States' to the 'Constitution of the United States of America' and this is totally incorrect. the duties are as a judicial officer for the State of Alaska. this is not an office for a 'judicial officer for the State of Alaska', and it should read 'judge of the superior court'. the 'for' in this clearly demonstrates that the judicial officer is working 'for' the State of Alaska, just as if the prosecutor is a Prosecutor 'for' the State of Alaska. the judge is by the Law to be impartial and not a working 'for' the State of Alaska.
all judges are members of the Alaska Bar Association and the act creating the Bar (specifically in chapter 196, section 4 of year 1955) states that no judge in a court of record can be a member of the Bar. another illegal act by all of the Magistrates.
the Official Bond that the Magistrates purportedly have is found in the Alaska Rules of Court in the Administrative Rule 34, which is a mere Employee Dishonesty Bond only for the protection of the State of Alaska for employees stealing from the State of Alaska. Another deception.
the only Civil Commission that we have evidence of is for Jay Rabinowitz, who is a deceased Justice of the Supreme Court of Alaska. None exist for any Magistrate today as mandated by law. letters exist congratulating the Magistrates, but they are not even signed by the Governor. another deception.
impersonating a public officer is a misdemeanor charge.
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agents are all that 'govt' is made of now, and they operate totally outside the Constitution, and have absolutely no Constitutional authority over any non-US/federal citizen/subject.
and really, how can anyone be a "US citizen"? you couldn't possibly be a "US citizen" because corporations cannot lawfully contract. any 'US citizen' document you signed was a unilateral, and hence, unenforceable contract. All Law is Commerce; All Commerce is Contract; No Contract - No Case.
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are you aware of any city/county who is doing this yet?
Free State Wyoming has just such a plan and they are trying to execute it in Wyoming. In Wyoming the Sheriff is recognized as the highest law in the County and is in a good legal position to reign in Federal interlopers.
Ken Royce (a.k.a Boston T. Party) organized the Free State Wyoming and wrote about how the plan works (moving folks from county to county for specific elections) in his book Molon Labe, which I recommend highly.
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yes, i know about these - but they aren't practical. we don't have enough people - they didn't even choose states with the lowest populations. states would require millions of patriots - a county only requires a few hundred - and it can be done almost immediately, and can be even more effective since a county wouldn't require a major overhaul to 'free'. it is a much more cohesive unit, where people can support each other and back each other up and train together. it is also an easier piece of ground to rally around in the event of angry govt *employees*. county-by-county freedom can spread much faster - freeing one county would be a big inspiration and would attract people from all over by the 1000's. the free-state projects are basically going nowhere - it is too much to bite off and it seems to me that time is not on our side - and the longer we also, keep in mind - it isn't only about federal interlopers - States are political subdivisions of the federal govt, and there is little that applies to the federal employees that doesn't apply as well to State employees in regards to operating under the color-of-office, color-of-authority, and color-of-law. they are all imposters. wait, the more diminishing the returns. you can only hold what you can defend - no matter what tricks you use to take over a state with a minority of patriots - it's useless if you can't defend your ground with force, and defending an entire state is much more problematic than defending a county. people can't drive dozens or 100's of miles from one city to another to defend someone being kidnapped by govt *employees*. a state isn't a very cohesive unit to take such stands.
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Have you considered what the immediate response from state/fed/corp.gov would be?
1 - The 40,000,000-100,000,000+ new turd worlders that are going to soon be minted nuevo AmeriKans would be happy to plop down on corp.gov paid for housing and immediately negate any real American's vote. If that weren't the case, there are plenty of scuzzy dependents and their Libcom masters that would be happy to dilute a patriot-population.
2 - Accusations of; child molestation - drug manufacturing - income tax evasion - weapons caches - domestic terrorist haven - etc. would be used by corp.gov to demonize and then devastate such a community. There are several examples of how corp.gov handles these situations ergo Waco.
3 - "Commercial Services" would probably be refused in short order, encompassing a whole host of scenarios. Satellite communications would be the extent of contact with others outside such a community and those services would be denied eventually as well. An 'embargo' of sorts would likely be used with checkpoints in and out.
4 - I wouldn't put it past corp.gov to enlist their pals MIC and rain artillery down on the community if the bastards were taking losses of their spies and other 'agents'.
Victory will require the slaughter of several hundred Globalist agents inside AmeriKa, followed by a significant portion of the military not only disobeying luciferian orders but also assisting patriots in holding key locales and facilitating logistics.
The world socialist foot soldiers, such as some of the vast rodents that scurry about 4um, would have to be whacked whenever they get in the way. Some will stand for the Globalists and World Communism (and be killed) while others would once again pretend to be patriots and put Ron Paul bumper stickers back on the Priuses (watch these slippery pigs closely).
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i do not know what the immediate response from govt *employees* would be, except to say that it would be unlawful if there were to be any. but i know it would be nice to see THEM reacting and wondering what to do for once! i know it would be nice to exercise some lawful power for once instead of living a victimized life waiting for the next hammer to be thrown down on me at a time and place and manner i do not know. i would feel better if i had some control and knowledge of the situation for once.
in regards to your points:
#1: there is no govt-paid housing in the small counties. they are farm/ranch land, perfect for self-sufficiency if it proves necessary.
#2: yes, there would be propaganda to work against - fortunately, we have a lot of media under 'our' control now - the web, the radio networks, etc. and we might not have these things forever. propaganda is something that needs to be dealt with no matter what happens - but things will be much easier in that regard if we have higher standing in regards to being lawful. also, Waco was less than 100 people - a county would be a bigger area with 100's of people, with 1000's nearby that would probably activate in case of any bad events.
#3: a rural county with several 100 people isn't dependent on "commercial services". they are rural areas where one can live self-sustainably as a community for a very long time. it would be difficult to totally seal off the 100's of square miles of a rural county. it would require much more manpower than than govt *employees* could muster for long, especially if similar things started happening in other county's. also, it's important to remember this isn't about finding a life of leisure and comfort, it's a war against tyranny.
#4: raining artillary is for areas of concentrated targets - 1000 people over 100's of square miles is not a good target for bombs, etc. also, having control of the ground and knowledge of the situation allows people to prepare in various ways that they couldn't otherwise. and again, i have to think that 1000's would rally around any kind of violent conflict in such a county. and as the Militia without a lawful Commander-in-Chief, they have every right and duty to do so.
also, keep in mind - the county mentioned is on the Gulf Coast - you'd have to block the ocean, plus all the land - all for a few 100 patriots :) it would be a major task to stop such an effort. i imagine things like this: there is some kind of warning system that can be triggered by phone or some other means which can alert everyone by radio if there is any govt *employee* in the county that is trying to exercise authority, at which time everyone within a few square miles is deputized to come to the aid of the Sheriff in arresting such an employee for impersonating a public officer and whatever of the other numerous charges you want to lay on them. you can fine them or keep them in jail for a while as bargaining chips - i don' t know - i haven't thought it all out yet. but it is interesting to contemplate. victory only happens when you have the peasants on your side. you can't win a revolution if you are against the farmers/ranchers - because they are at the root of the food chain, the root of any nations survival - so - that is in our favor - because we can free them of taxes, regulations, Monsanto harrassment, etc. we can make the peasants prosperous, whereas, govt *employees* and bankers only lie, cheat, and steal from them and make their life hell so they can live high on the hog while others do all their dirty work for them. you win a revolution with the support of peasants - you can't win without it, and you can't lose with it. killing Globalists has little to do with things - the land is at the root, and those that work it - Globalists and Bankers are way down the food chain. you win a revolution by taking control of the food chain - the rural areas. everyone else is dependent on those areas, and they fall whichever way those in control of rural areas want them to fall. we don't need to "whack" and chase them down - we only need to take control and defend rural areas - please consider this ... whoever has control of the soil, and the support of those that work the soil, wins. nothing/noone else matters.
The county seat is the most
The county seat is the most readily exercised power of the people and extends outward. I first understood this idea in the early 70's by association with Archibald E. Roberts, Lt. Col., AUS retired and his grassroots movement, Restore the Constitution. The object is to firmly take back the United States COUNTY by COUNTY towards the goal of taking back the state and the nation. Roberts was a hero and, as so many other great patriots, was greatly discounted or ignored by those who either wanted "change" on an immediate national scale without the due diligence of local responsibility or were agents of distraction. Thousands of people involved in this movement were greatly influenced, educated by the clear and simple manner of restoring our Constitution. The movement was hijacked by a small number of local czars who fed the "fear-of-infiltration and organization" ideas to an otherwise stalwart group of patriots. The movement died slowly as a result, the petty czars disappeared along with their political aspirations and a great number of citizens wondered why they had been unable to follow the simple plan they had begun. Roberts asked nothing, volunteering his time and money to help county committees get started. The plan was solid and timely. So why did it fail? Because a few loud voices (seven, as I recall) jeered down his sensible, grassroots plan at a Florida state-wide meeting in Orlando. Seven. Seven mockers who were already amassing the names of all attendees to that large gathering and were later used to attempt various petty political offices. We saw it in the hundreds of thousands who joined the RP Meet-ups and died slowly on the vine, isolated by the leadership of petty czars trying to worm their way into the corrupt political system. How many of our numbers are active now? Great, there are 100,000 on C4L but untold thousands are disillusioned with the great advance promised. We see that same monster today. Donation hungry web-sites offering little but sensational topics, chewing up time and money of honest patriots while deliberately refusing to do the one thing that will assure our goal....UNITY. Unity is NOT a large number of people signed on to one web-site or one leader. Unity is comprised of small groups of individuals within local counties who link up to each other VOLUNTARILY and have but one goal.....to Restore the Constitution. But as the people of old said to Samuel, "Give us a King". We don't want to do the work ourselves and certainly do we not wish to organize. "Give us a King." scream the disenchanted. We are a dumbed down society refusing wisdom that we know is true.
New Hampshire? Not a Galt's Gulch. And all the John Galts out there are imitating what they cannot duplicate. A committment to the Revolution is not in keeping with the Rand philosophy. The Rand philosophy is the theoloy to Self whereas no meaningful Revolution has been won without sacrifice of the self to the higher purpose. To try to maintain loyalty to both is a disasterous course, an illusion chased in futility by those who lack the courage to committ and act responsibly for a cause that is more than self.
My fellow patriots tire of hearing about organization and unity. Their ears are tickled by bravado and distraction. Have courage. Think clearly. You are on the right track. The local level is where the Revolution has its force. No one thinks this way. Ask yourself why.
Ha ha HA HA! Ayn Rand WROTE MOSTLY FICTION! NH is REALITY! LOL
No matter how people try to convolute the issue of freedom and our role to bring it forth to political fruition. The issue is simple:
To live in liberty ourselves. One by one, as we were born. Together when we choose and with whom we choose; our families, wives, children, friends, etc.
The most local level for liberty is not the county, it is OURSELVES!
While I learned a whole lot from Ayn Rand about personal freedom and how volition shapes, or should shape our every action, I understand that those were her views and opinions, not gospel.
I CHOOSE TO LIVE IN FREEDOM IN MY LIFE TIME... AND I CHOOSE TO DO IT AMONGST MY PEERS IN THE FREEDOM MOVEMENT.
Whether here or in New Hampshire, I will always seek those who empower themselves with knowledge and truth.
Here once more is a CHIN Chin to liberty and personal freedom, which in many ways is a state of mind to willingly accept the consequences of living FREE!
Boris in Miami
"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2
A good firm handshake to Boris!
One day, perhaps we will...
FSP, Ron Paul, Dick Heller (as in, "DC vs Heller")
I moved to NH July 2005, and it's been an AMAZING couple of years!
Already FSPers are virtually in control of the Republican Party here in NH. I mean, you go to any GOP event, and 2/3 of the people present are Free-Staters, and people who are literally thanking God that "we" are moving in.
4 FSPers were elected to the NH House of Representatives this past November. How cool is that?
And we are GAINING momentum, more people moving in all the time.
Dr. Paul spoke at both the 2007 and 2008 New Hampshire Liberty Forums. I hope he'll be back for the 2009 Forum, in March.
We do know that Dick Heller, the man who won the "Heller vs. D.C." SCOTUS case, will be there -- and he is an FSP member as well!
Don't listen to the "fanbois" on the Web talk about the FSP... come see for yourself.
Free State Project - Liberty in our Lifetime
http://freestateproject.org
Free State Project - Liberty in our Lifetime
http://freestateproject.org
If I could do it
I would!
2008 Election
Here's a page that explains why the FSP is so important after the 2008 election:
http://freestateproject.org/intro/2008_election
"I am a friend of the Free State Project. Check it out, join and continue the effort!" -- Rep. Ron Paul
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The best vacation ever: http://www.porcf
"I am a friend of the Free State Project. Check it out, join and continue the effort!" -- Rep. Ron Paul
Hell yes I'm moving!
I can't begin to describe the type of phenomenal activists that have moved to the Free State. This is where liberty will be achieved!
For anyone who is skeptical, please, experience it for yourself.
Come to the NH Liberty Forum in March, where we'll have phenomenal speakers such as Adam Kokesh, Gary Franchi, Angela Keaton, David Nolan, Mary Ruwart, and many more!
Our keynote speaker will Dick Heller (of the Heller vs. D.C. 2nd amendment case) who is a Free State Project member himself. In years past we've had Ron Paul (twice!), John Stossel, John McManus, Michael Badnarik, and many other superstar friends of the FSP.
Check out this upcoming documentary about Free Staters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zzjubBNZf8
Daily updates from the Free State:
http://RidleyReport.com
Nationally syndicated pro-liberty radio show by Free Staters:
http://FreeTalkLive.com
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