Ron Paul Liberty Dollars Seized by FBI & Secret Service
Submitted by RightsOnRamp on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 13:22Go to the link below for more info:
http://www.gata.org/node/5738
Update: 1:15 pm CST
I called the National FBI number who told me to call the local Indiana FBI office. So I called Indi FBI and she said all calls regarding Liberty Dollar go to a spokeswoman for the US Attorney in Charlotte, NC. So I called Sue Ellen Pierce at 704-338-3120 and got her voice mail so I left a message. I'll let you know if I hear something back.
11/16/07 Of course Sue Ellen never called back but you can review search and seizure documents at
http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm
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it's about to be on cnn
blitzer's covering the story
"we fear change, especially nickels"
Good Blogg from yesterday +
Good Blogg from yesterday + local TV video
http://www.bloggernews.net/111727
The Street
Read what the street . com has to say about this. I don't have any of these dollars, but I wish I did. They sold for $25 - $5 going to the Ron Paul Campaign. They are selling today for $220 on e-bay!
interesting article and video
http://www.thestreet.com/s/raid-on-ron-paul-dollar-maker/mar...
Obviously you can legally possess them but can you barter medallions or not??
Liberty Dollar Promoters are idiots. Stay away from them!
>>We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even >>know what was ordered or what you are owed.
So let me get this straight. We have a corporation that is responsible for millions of dollars of funds. Unshipped orders to customers as well as silver reserves for a paper currency. Their opponents are a massively powerful federal reserve and bunch of very angry politicians because of the ongoing WANTA Scandal.
Then they decide to use Dr Ron Paul's image to sell their idea and "piggyback" on his publicity. That really pissed off the PTB.
So they get whacked.
Then they tell the world that they are so negligent and incompetent that they have NO OFFLINE BACKUPS and NO HARD COPY DVD BACKUPS.
In addition they must keep all the silver reserves under their mattress. They were too brain dead to diversify their reserves in Switzerland, Australia or Singapore. Or some other country that has safe keeping for precious metals. Like why not have reserves in 20 or 30 Swiss accounts?
The question is :"Who is this Einstein and why does he think he can run a currency exchange?"
The only class action lawsuit should be against an amateur money changer whose ineptitude just cost a lot of patriots a lot of money.
We won't even talk about the premium they charge over the melt value for their "coins"
Stay away from money scammers. Keep up with the prices at Kitco and shop around for the best deals on your coins. Try the Coin World newspaper. That is the one the dealers themselves use.
Michael Relfe
That's right, we're idiots
So stupid was Mr von NotHaus that he elected to open his safe for the armed thugs who showed up Wednesday morning rather than get himself shot and his store blown up for resisting our Fe'ral Masters.
The nice thing about blaming the victims is that their power to resist or retaliate has been compromised. It's a fairly safe tactic indeed to kick a man when he's down, isn't it?
Viva Agora!
LehrBoy, Idiot
Stay away from me.
West of 89
a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr
Look what this confiscation is doing
to the price of the Ron Paul coins on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/RON-PAUL-Silver-Liberty-1-OZ-20-Dollar-n...
I cant see it, my work puter
I cant see it, my work puter forbids ebay.. what is the silver RP going for?
Tim
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5 Aug 2007
MITT ROMNEY: STILL UN-ELECTABLE
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I cant see it, my work puter
I cant see it, my work puter forbids ebay.. what is the silver RP going for?
Tim
In the MILITARY? Join my Meet-Up group
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1040/
5 Aug 2007
MITT ROMNEY: STILL UN-ELECTABLE
http://wilco287.com/
Wow
Ron Paul is gold right now. No wonder everyone of the mainstream candidates and their supporters are scared.
This thing is growing daily and price spikes like that are one further example.
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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity
I just wish they had
shipped my copper Ron Paul dollars before the seizure. Oh well, the way things are going, I will be able to make up my loss of those coins by the escalating price on the silver coins I already have.
3 days
yeah, i wish they would of shipped all of them out. they had three days to do so. and they knew the copper dollars were coming in for a month or two ahead of time.
a few people working hard for those couple of days could of got them out. i am sad i will probably never see mine and if i do it will probably be to late to hand them out.
ron paul 2008
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Still think this is a diversion and a trap
And a lot of earnest RP supporters are falling right into it.
It's a very effective way to divide a movement. Cause dissension within its ranks, and argue about things that don't really matter. You're not doing Ron Paul or his campaign any favors.
Who is divided? Who is
Who is divided?
Who is dissenting?
who at all ever agrees with you besides devilsadvocate?
If you 2 hate it so much why do you keep posting on the threads relating to it?
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
Profit?
I do not think they made much profit. To pay $20.00 for a pure silver medallion that weighs one troy ounce is a great deal. Many award medallion makers charge 50.00 to 75.00 or more for such a medallion, and sometimes those are sterling instead of pure silver.
Considering that a lump of unformed silver weighing one troy ounce is right now around $14.00 to 15.00 (or perhaps a little more due to inflation), to pay 5 or 6 dollars for a minting process is not at all bad.
The Founders of this great nation abhorred tyrrany and loved liberty. The power of the King to wage war, tax and abuse the personal rights of the American colonists drove them to rebel, win a revolution, and codify their convictions in a new Constitution.
The Founders of this great nation abhorred tyrrany and loved liberty.
Gold Coins- This is a email I recieved
For Crying Out Loud!
The Sheer Volume of Ignorance being expressed in the Blog-us-fear
and various internet groups concerning the issue of the recent raid
involving the so-called ron paul "dollars" is Staggering!
It is quite obvious that Most do not, or simply cannot comprehend
the Magnitude of just how far up Sh*t Creek Mr. "Monetary Architect"
and the willing, albeit perhaps naive passengers in his Canoe, ARE.
And without a paddle no less!
ANYONE with a modicum of Common Sense can plainly SEE the Clear
Violation of Law committed by NotHaus et al.
The Law is Explicit concerning the USE of RESTRICTED Insignias,
Markings, Designations and/or Certain Words used in conjunction with
Metal coins, discs, medallions, etc.
IGNORANCE OF COUNTERFEITING LAWS As a Viable Defense?
YEAH RIGHT! DREAM ON!
And Now the Sheer Volume of Those who fancy themselves as "Patriots"
SO eager to flaunt Their Ignorance by vilifying the Secret Service
and F.B.I. when same miraculously manage to get IT Right every Now &
Again!
GEE, Never Mind the MAJOR Detail that the Secret Service & F.B.I.
actually DID have Legitimate Grounds & Authority to confiscate
Everything on the Premises!
Go Ahead and Give the Media the Excuse to Label "Patriots" as
A Bunch of Ignoramuses, Borderline Lunatics, & Nut Jobs!
The REAL Tragedy in this Event is the realization of just how far
this Country has fallen. When many cannot even distinguish
between "Legal Tender" and "Lawful Money" let alone recognize the
inherent pitfalls of a privateer's substitutes.
GEE, Does ANYONE Wonder if Mr. "Monetary Architect" NotHaus, is
losing any sleep over the fact that Those Whom he profited off,
hoped to profit off, and/or otherwise involved, could very likely be
Charged as an Accessory to a FELONY?
Or that even though Ron Paul urged his supporters to avoid these so-
called ron paul "dollars", this no doubt will give his Detractors &
the Media Plenty in their ongoing attempts to discredit him and his
Campaign?
Wisdom is the principal thing; Therfore get wisdom. And in all your
getting, Get understanding. Proverbs 4:7
This is a email I recieved today from a Ron Paul supporter. I found it interesting. Just wanted to pass it on.
I know you didnt write the
I know you didnt write the email.
This is a response to it not you.
Who is the Goverment to tell me what I can consider to have value or not ?
1.there are many unjust laws,does that mean we shouldnt be outraged at them also.
2.The way the law reads that will be applied here could also be used against subway tokens,and arcade coins
3.Under the patriot act ,Americans can be impriosoned as enemy combatants for 3 years without charges,and with the passing of HR1955 just thinking is a crime that labels you as an enemy combatant.
Should we not fight these?
What is coming out here is the older folks think we should fight unjustices less while the younger ones are more eager to take back our freedom,It is the same older folks that have allowed the country to turn into the mess it is in,this happened on your watch ,you cant discourage us from changing it,for if we follow your lead ,our children will even be in a worse mess than we are now.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
not unrelated
--reposted in different thread--
DROP THIS ISSUE ALSO... WORK ON DEC 16TH...
Quit spending all your time on this issue - ITS NON-PRODUCTIVE... concentrate your time and effort on emailing for Ron Paul organizations that might be sympathetic with his views like legalize marijuana sites... I doubt anyone has tapped into emailing them and they would make great Ron Paul supporters.... $100 for a lid when they can grow their own??
LOL I am sure they could donate to Ron Paul if you put it that way...
Fighting injustice in the
Fighting injustice in the pursuit of freedom is counter productive?
That attitude is just what has gotten our country into this mess..
Lemme guess Babyboomer or real close to it?
You and antiwardoc run in packs?
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
No. Counter-Productive is *not* concentrating on something...
I dont disagree that this is an issue... however, what is more important or *productive* spending time on this issue, OR INSTEAD, concentraing on Dec 16th... where we can effect more change than bantering this topic back and forth....
As promoter of the 16th
As promoter of the 16th site,I can see why you want us to focus on the site.However that lacking of what is important is why I have yet to go to the site.
The fight for freedom will be fought on may fronts,your site is just a tool in the fight.
If you had any conviction we would not be reading your post here ,because you and antiwardoc would be off promoting the 16th somewhere.
i m glad to have the two of you on our side ,but telling us that what you believe is more important is "counter productive"
Let us take this one,and I thank you for taking the other front where it is needed.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
They ought to get these guys involved...
www.ij.org
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Registered Republican
Federalist Society Member
REAL Conservative for Ron Paul
Can you all do me a big favor and remove "Ron Paul" from this?
What does he have to do with it?
Company that deals with precious metals - OK
"Liberty dollar" - OK
Why Ron Paul this, Ron Paul that? Ron Paul has nothing to do with any of this. When you keep referring to his name, it implies that he does.
You want us to hide the
You want us to hide the truth?
Coins with Pauls face.Kinda hard to remove his name from this,unless we get the coins back then deface them
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
Ron Paul Coins were Confiscated
Because, among the coins that were confiscated were tons of gold, silver and copper coins with Ron Paul's face on them. They were just delivered to Liberty Dollar, and they were set to go out to thousands of customers who had ordered, and pre-ordered them - including me!
Was this politically motivated? You tell me. How great would it be to be able to flash around a beautiful one oz. solid gold piece with Ron Paul's face on it? Flash that around and you're sure to get people's attention:
Michael: "Hey look at this it is gold - it is real money."
Person: "Hey, wow that is pretty! And heavy! Wow - who is this guy on the coin?"
Michael: "Well, that is Ron Paul. He's running for president. He believes that all money should be gold or backed by gold..."
How would you like to have that kind of intro when talking to people?
'Always be yourself. Everyone else is taken.' - Oscar Wilde
Wouldn't shock me
We also purchased some Liberty dollars. In God's Providence, we just received our full order. Hope he will be able to fill your order soon. In the meantime, you can sign a class action suit at the website.
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
Because, Dr. Frankenstein...
something big has has been created. Ron Paul is only the figure head for this movement.
Even if Ron Paul isn't elected a connection has been created between like-minded individuals who all believe in Ron Paul's message more than the election of a single man.
Simply, Ron Paul is the great gardener who has planted the seed for the Liberty Tree. But now that the seed has been planted the tree has taken on a life of its own.
And this: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/ronpauldollar/index.htm
Seeing the Feds raid this kind of implies a government desire to remove Ron Paul's visage from public circulation.
well put guerrilla man...
Yes, this movement will not be going away soon, if ever. Ron Paul I think will probably have inspired a whole new breed of politicians who will be committed to returning to our roots.
Ron Paul is the spark that once again lit the torch of liberty. we must keep passing the torch generations on down to ensure a vigilant populace!
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul
+1 Liberty is the goal. Ron
+1
Liberty is the goal.
Ron Paul is a means to an end
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson