Obama Declared Ineligible. John McCain wins! No changes in appointments or policy will be made
Submitted by MikeLawson on Thu, 12/18/2008 - 15:00
Is this what you guys are after?
I understand the whole constitutional crisis this causes and it burns me up that this was not THE main focus of the campaign season.
But at this point, I don't see what constructive benefit there is in pursuing this issue. You are all smart enough to know that no matter who replaces Obama is, they will be deep insiders and it will not change anything whatsoever. Well, it may actually cause MAJOR divisions within the American people. Is that what you want?
I'm really not trying to antagonize or anything, but I seriously do not understand at this late stage in the game how pursuing this issue can lead to anything but disappointment, turmoil, or more of the same.
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I hate
titles like this.
I wonder if he lies to his
I wonder if he lies to his children or makes them lie about where he was born.
I'm fine with Obama, the man.
1) The US is a country under the rule of law.
2) The law is very specific about who is qualified to be POTUS
Therefore: The President Elect is not above the law.
If President Elect Obama does not meet the conditions of POTUS; then he can not be qualified.
As for me, I'll support the Constitution. Even if I'm in the minority.
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"A centralized government is no less corrupt than a centralized church."
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I'd say what they are after is a clear definition on the rules
and the government to uphold those rules no matter what.
Also I'd like to point out that should Obama be 'disqualified,' then McCain likely will be as well. McCain was born outside of the country, and the laws which confer citizenship to individuals like him were passed after his birth, meaning that he was granted citizenship by an act of congress after being born. To put it bluntly if Obama's presidency gets axed by the 'natural born' clause then McCain will get axed as well. Plus... the majority of the electors are Democratic electors meaning that they'll simply select another democratic candidate to replace Obama... *cough* Hillary Clinton *cough*.
But all technicalities aside I do agree with you: at this particular juncture it is rather pointless to pursue this issue; it will not help our cause in the slightest.
The time for us to really push this angle was before the general election. Had we been successful in getting the supreme court to hear our cases at that time then we might have been able to remove both Obama and McCain from the running. The ensuing power struggle that would have occurred in both of the major parties would have given the third party candidates a better chance.
We would be better served by focusing our efforts on lobbying (read harassing) our elected representatives to stop the bailouts, and preparing for 2012. Obama's first term is going to be a doozy no matter what he does... the best thing we can do is educate folks as to the perils of Central Planning and keep fighting the good fight.
Just FYI.
I Googled and found this. Any attorney's here who can explain the term "non-binding" as it is used here?
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Stephen E. Sachs, a recent Yale J.D. and judicial law clerk, also argued that Professor Chin's argument was flawed, in his paper John McCain's Citizenship: A Tentative Defense. In an effort to put this long-standing debate to rest, at least in the case of John McCain, Senators Patrick Leahy and Claire McCaskill introduced a non-binding resolution in March 2008 expressing that John McCain qualifies as a "natural born Citizen" as specified in the Constitution. The resolution, supported by Senators Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Jim Webb, was unanimously passed by the Senate later that month.
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"A centralized government is no less corrupt than a centralized church."
- Brent R.
That's right. Its sour grapes. We have to deal with what
we are handed and I still feel positive that we can do so much more with our movement that Obama is president.
That night that Obama won the nomination, I recall noticing a strange look on Hillary's face. Perhaps she herself was the one behind this 'technicality' knowing how bloodthirsty her and her husband are for power. I wouldn't put it past her. She would be worse that both Bush/Cheney put together!
wobama
affirmation: President Paul 2008
I agree, but why don't we just ask bush to stay in office then?
get real would you pleeze?
affirmation: President Paul 2008
Those which we call a traitors by any other name..
Is still a traitor.
They are both illegitimate.
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My hope from
this is that he enters office as a lame duck.
Oh he will, but not from this.
The GOP squawk machine will tear him to shreds. The Democrats are very overconfident. They still think we're living in 1974, when they controlled the media.
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I've seen a long succession
I've seen a long succession of events where people on the Internet yell, "This is it! We draw the line in the sand here! We won't take any more! It's TIME TO STAND UP AND FIGHT!"
And then the government does whatever it damn well pleases, ignoring them, likely oblivious to them altogether, and the "patriots"--who were talking really tough when the line in the sand was drawn--retreat, and drop the incident quickly down the memory hole.
And on again to the next incident, where the line will be drawn again.
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What I'm after
Obama declared ineligible
Democratic Party, Supreme Court, Both houses of Congress and anybody in politics is declared inept and unfit to govern. The entire government is exposed for the fraud it has become. The sheeple wake up more from their slumber and point their hooves at the parasites on our country.
Will it happen? I can only hope for change and a "yes we can" attitude.
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Sorry guys, if it comes down to Obama or McCain, I
can live with Obama any day. I believe we in our own movement can make stronger headway with an Obama administration than the neo cons any day.
For those of you who voted for Bush/Cheney, don't you learn by your mistakes? What more corruption and torture and invasion of sovereign countries do you need? Besides both parties are really just one anyway. I believe Obama lightyears ahead in thoughtful 'intelligence' despite his being a 'socialist'.
To my surprise, I actually find myself able to listen to Obama speak where for eight years I turned off the radio as soon as 'the decider' attempted to say something, which only meant cruelty, death and destruction for millions around the world, while his cronies got untendered military contracts throughout the middle-east. Just the thought of Cheney/Bush makes my skin crawl and it would be no different with McCain.
Besides, you can bet as soon as Obama is inaugurated, the prosecutions will most likely happen as soon as Bush/Cheney vacates. Perhaps they will be handcuffed and frogmarched to jail. Who knows. But big stuff is going come down to all those right now in the White House. They simply cannot get away with what they did!
You actually see a difference between them...
Now THAT'S funny.
Especially hysterical is your Bush/Cheney 'prosecutions'... were you born very recently?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
When there is nothing else to gain
I can dream can't I?
If you think all our blubbering will do anything to change what is already in the works.....
Part of the Plan?
If Obama is found ineligible after some time in office, all the policies he signs into law will be invalid at home and in the world. It will indeed create some world chaos, temporarily.
None of this is by accident. It has to be part of the plan, and that involves creating chaos while the plan goes forward, when no one is looking.
Why McCain?
Wow, how many times has this been rehashed? McCain is not considered eligible per the Constitution either, so no one is picking on poor Obama by asking for natural born status. If they are not eligible, their running mates would also follow suit to be uneligible because the whole campaign would be considered fraudulent and voided. I have REAL mixed emotions about this whole issue, because something very, very strange is obviously going on here, but one emotion that I don't have is that it is an unimportant Constitutional question that needs to be resolved sooner or later. If later, and he is found out to be a usurper, from what I understand all of his appointments he has made would all be null and void too. Bush will be gone by then, thankfully, so I guess a temporary interum government would have to be put into place and a campaign started all over again. I think we will just have to see how this very unusual, unprecedented situation plays out for better or for worse.
It is not a matter
of what we want.
LOL!!
I think that's one thing all of us can agree on.
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Well said!
By both of you.
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"If"
Obama is declared ineligible, I guarantee riots will ensue. I have absolutely no doubt about that, nor any desire for that. I say let them have their savior. When Obama is found to be an inept leader and a continuation of the status quo, perhaps the sheople will wake up. I know, that's a big maybe.
As much as I don't want Obama as President, I don't want him declared ineligible. The ramifications of that would be huge. We could very well be faced with another civil war. Yet, I wonder if this was not part of the plan all along. "ordo ab chao"
Agree,
and WORLD chaos will come later if he is found ineligible after some time in office. All the policies he signs into law will be invalid at home and in the world. One way or another, if he is ineligible, the world is in serious trouble. Nothing he says or does will be valid.
Truth has a way of eventually coming out. Part of the plan?
Oh please
Riots? Civil war? I think you are way overestimating the ability of the Obamabots to motivate themselves to create chaos. The only way those things would happen is if Obama or someone else really influential, like Oprah, ordered them to riot and start a civil war. Like you said, they're sheeple, not freedom fighters.
don't fool yourself
Think about the L.A. riots and the Jena, LA 6. Don't underestimate the Jesse Jackson's, the Al Sharpton's, and the Louis Farrakhan's of this nation. Civil war may be a stretch, but riots for sure.
O.K.
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan are examples of influential people. I had trouble seeing the racial factor because I don't think of Obama as black.
Well
As much as I would like for this to not be an issue of race, that is exactly what it will turn into.
Those in hot pursuit of this issue
claim that if Obama is a usurper, not a natural born citizen, then he has no power to make anything into law or make any presidential decisions regarding U.S. policy in the world or at home. The result would be chaos.
You really aren't looking t the big picture Mike
The whole point is to tear down his credibility so the NWO will not be able to get as much mileage out of their puppet.
It's like a drop of water pounding on stone -- it will cut through eventually.
The same reason the Republican Party is making anti-Obama ads now after they just lost the election. They see the big picture and are positioning themselves for the future.
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Not McCain; Biden
The Obama-Biden ticket won the election. If Obama can't be sworn in as President, it's going to be Biden. A case might be made for a new election, but no way will the Presidency be handed to McCain (who was born in Panama, by the way.)
And I agree with your main point: this harassing of Obama over being born in Kenya is a sideshow. Pursuing it does not advance the cause of freedom.
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