***NEW POLL***Knowing that you could be sued, would you still give emergency assistance?
Hi Everyone,
The California Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a young woman who pulled a co-worker from a crashed vehicle isn't immune from civil liability because the care she rendered wasn't medical. But in a sharp dissent, three of the seven justices said that by making a distinction between medical care and emergency response, the court was placing "an arbitrary and unreasonable limitation" on protections for those trying to help.
Lisa Torti of Northridge now faces possible liability for injuries suffered by Van Horn, a fellow department store cosmetician who was rendered a paraplegic in the accident that ended a night of Halloween revelry in 2004. Torti, Van Horn and three other co-workers from a San Fernando Valley department store had gone out to a bar on Halloween for a night of drinking and dancing, departing in two cars at 1:30 a.m., the justices noted as background. Van Horn was a front-seat passenger in a vehicle driven by Anthony Glen Watson, whom she also sued, and Torti rode in the second car. After Watson's car crashed into a light pole at about 45 mph, the rear car pulled off the road and driver Dion Ofoegbu and Torti rushed to help Watson's two passengers escape the wreckage. Torti testified in a deposition that she saw smoke and liquid coming from Watson's vehicle and feared the car was about to catch fire.
So the Question of This Week's Lion and Lamb Poll: Knowing that you could be sued, would you still give emergency assistance?
Yes or No
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Well, the one good thing
Well, the one good thing coming out of all this is that supposedly the people of California are so enraged that the state legislature is being pressured into action. I've read elsewhere that the California state legislature is considering new legislation to offer increased protections to good samaritans in California.
About whether or not I would help... I believe it would be very difficult not to help. How can someone turn their back? It would definitely have me thinking twice and I honestly do not know what I would do. I trust people a whole lot less than I used to, that's for sure.
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Thank you good sumaritan laws
Here in Minnesota, you are immune from lawsuits if you give aid to a person. HOWEVER, you must first determine if they are concious. If they are, you are required to ask if they want help. If they are unconcious, you don't need permission.
We were actually trained in public highschool how to do various first aid things like CPR, AED use, mouth to mouth, heimlich maneuver, splinting, stopping bleeding; all the good stuff. I have the added benifit of having two Family Practice doctors for parents who have been sharing interesting stories about patients for my whole 19 years of life which gives me an additional assortment of medical knowledge.
In another case, if you are a doctor and have taken the hypocratic oath, you are required to help someone who needs medical attention if they are unconcius or at least to ask if they want help.
Seeing as how I am trained in how to do all of this stuff, I would definately help if they let me.
An interesting tidbit about an emergency first aid situation is the concept of "diffusion of responsibility". The more people there are at the scene, the less likely someone will step up to the plate and help because everyone thinks someone else will take care of it. This is why you should never cry out, "Someone get/call item/person!". Chances are, nobody will respond. This is why you have to single someone out and say, "you with the green shirt, go call 911 and tell them (insert basic medical details)!"
So, once again, not only would I help, but I would be the one taking full control of the situation and giving orders. So, go me 8)
"We were actually trained
I got the same training while I was in high school, but the school system had nothing to do with it. I received first aid training while in the boy scouts and also when I was training to be a lifeguard.
Sounds like Minnesota is on the right track with this training. This sort of training in high school is a great idea. It will help these young adults to be more capable of helping others, their family or maybe even themselves!
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You should not give direct aid…
… IF you are not medically trained to do so, because one can cause further injury. I always carry a cell phone. The help I would give is to call emergency rescue, stop the bleeding (if needed) and comfort the victim the best that I could until help arrived.
The Good Samaritan laws say that you must at least call for help.
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"stop the bleeding (if
Would that be considered giving aid? Also, what about not being medically trained to do so?
Good Samaritan laws actually are to tell people how they must respond? I always thought the purpose of them was to protect good samaritans who help other people.
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Another ploy to de-humanize us!!
I'll tell you this: My natural instinct to help some one survive in an emergency will always prevail over the cold-blooded laws that would hope to keep me from my humanity and the opportunity to help another! What the heck, the money I would be sued for - well, I don't have it! And, anyway, it's almost worthless, no matter how you slice it!
Absolutely right
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The real question is.....
.....when you celebrate the Devil's holiday of Halloween.....shouldn't you expect a little fire?
Give me a break.
The Devil's holiday? Are you for real?
The real question is how?
The real question is how? Just look at the way our government trying to "save" the economy. Better to have those first aid trainning.
Yes.
I would help as much as I could.
People are over-reacting to this recent ruling. So you can get sued... So what? You can *get sued* for just about anything. It will be news if the lawsuit actually results in a GUILTY verdict.
I don't know, but I bet he's
I don't know, but I bet he's great at parties.
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If any of you guys are first
If any of you guys are first aid or CPR certified you should have learned that, if conscious, you first have to ask permission from the victim to administer life saving techniques. Also, if you do have certification to help someone in such a situation but don't help, you can be held liable! So really, you can be held liable for helping or not helping someone! I guess the message is don't even learn how to!
Geeze. Such irony.
Geeze. Such irony.
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This women Van is not going to get far
All that's going to happen is that she's going to be a paraplegic with a lot less friends.
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This is really different and much more common than you are making it out to be.
I had a friend who's family was sued because he wrecked his car with other teen passengers. They didn't get anything.
People get sour when shit hits the fan. Does that mean people will stop driving their friends or giving them aid?
It sounds pretty doubtful to say the least.
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It's bad
when your "colleagues" sue you for assisting...
I would help because it would be a natural instinct to do so in an emergency situation.
But perhaps it would be best (particularly if you stop to assist strangers) to just not give your true name and address...just fade quietly into the crowd afterwards. Then maybe they will remember you as some "guardian angel" that assisted them.
Would you pull
Rockefeller or Hitler out of a burning car?
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What about....
Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernake, Daddy Bush, W, Hillary oh I could go on! You get the picture.
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Unfortunately yes. Because I answer to God..
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What if...
The conversation goes something like...
You: I pulled him out of a burning car.
God: Yeah but I tried to kill the evil man. No points for you!
LOL
LOL...but...those hypotheticals wouldn't happen...and ...anyway
"those scenarios are like lying to your brain"... (Kenneth, 30 ROCK)
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Dave
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In all seriousness,
How do you know the mind of god?
The question is really
more over would you help if you (yourself) were impaired. Quite frankly being out drinking and driving (sounds like all of them were) you are asking for an assortment of problems, but you can get drawn into helping sitting in your garage. As I was a few years ago, my husband and I both licensed EMT's sitting in our garage having a few beverages and wham! a car bursts through a house at the end of our street. We quickly loaded up and DROVE down there about 8 houses away and rescued the DRUNK driver from the wreckage, held CSpine and secured her airway as she was drifting in and out. The medics said we did a great job so life was good. But my advice if you are impaired, you better not do anything - call 911, it's your civic duty - remember Sienfield final episode, they were all sued for lacking compassion or something similar.
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Tho
I remember that final episode well
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Civic duty?
I agree with not rendering aid if you are impaired except, say, if the car was on fire. No time to wait for help.
However I reject the notion of civic duty. The idea that the government has to force us to be compassionate and punishes us if we are not is about as Nanny State as it gets. I will gladly help you up if you slip and fall. However, do not force me to under the barrel of a gun.
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I agree.
I agree.
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If Mr. Smith tells me ahead of time that he will sue me for
everything I've got for aiding him in a life-or-death situation -- no, I would not help him. In fact, I might not even call 911 as that could be construed as "giving aid'? I would also probably insist that he and I are never in close proximity again, just in case.
Enjoy the next level of your journey, Mr. Smith.
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Not knowing I would be sued? Yes, I would help.
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I helped to give CPR last night!
First off, we need your prayers for my Aunt here in
Louisville. She is in a coma(like) state still today.
I actually gave the first breaths--thankfully another aunt
and uncle took over---both are experienced with police work
and nursing.
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