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Andy Griffith PROPAGANDA

Has anyone noticed the propaganda America was slapped with in the 60s in the form of the Andy Griffith Show?? I bought the show, remembering the wholesome small town virtues it taught me as a kid, but was shocked to find it chock FULL of propaganda! I found a blog post from a guy that remarked on the communist element of this propaganda, and my reply on the big government, anti-libertarian element follows. Check it out and comment:

"The old Andy Griffith Show, one of the most-watched, best-loved sitcoms ever, is lauded as a slice of small-town, apple-pie Americana, hearkening back to a simpler, better time when men were men, women were virtuous, and children occasionally were well-behaved. At the same time, one might ask: When a television program from any era is praised by the mainstream media, could there be some underlying leftist message? The answer is yes.

"The first and most obvious commie message is Andy’s refusal to carry a gun. Heroically, he captures evildoers every time without a pistol. Notice also that Barney, the one who wants to carry a gun, is a buffoon, and whenever he touches his gun it goes off at random. There is no question what sentiment the producers were expressing. Further, on those rare occasions when there’s a truly violent criminal to pursue, Andy reaches into the rifle rack. And you thought Rosie O’Donnell was the first gun-control hypocrite.

"Another modern, leftist, anti-everything-traditional message is the complete absence of a nuclear family on the Griffith show. Barney is single and desperate; Andy is widowed and moderately content; Gomer and Goober were single and whatever; Thelma Lou and Helen were single; Bea was a spinster…I can’t remember whether anybody on the show was married with children. The nuclear family was passé even for Mayberry residents of the early 1960’s. Other anti-family messages: A rare married couple portrayed on the show wasn’t happy unless they were having violent domestic disputes; another couple, with the husband played by Jack Nicholson, abandoned their baby at the beginning of an episode.

"There are other implausible tweaks. On some old episodes, you’ll see Andy, Barney, Thelma Lou, and Helen having dinner at the local greasy spoon after 10 P.M. This almost never happened in real towns like Mayberry, and in fact is not very popular today in the south outside cities the size of Atlanta. You’ll also see occasional mention of cocktails before dinner – a decidedly citified custom that would have been extraordinary in a small southern town in the 1960’s.

"And there are anti-gender role stereotype messages. Whenever a man from the country walks into town to find a wife, he is a buffoon. Earnest T. Bass and a two-episode character played by Alan Hale represented this anachronism.(Alan Hale played the Skipper on Gilligan’s Island; in Mayberry, he came complete with overalls.) Both considered it the man’s job to pursue the woman and to provide for the family later on. No wonder they were portrayed as buffoons. And for their parts, Andy and Barney endured all sorts of abuse at the hands of Helen and Thelma Lou. On many an occasion, Andy and Barn would (completely innocently) step into a pile of the women’s wrath, and spend most of an episode trying to apologize, explain, and beg their way out of it. Of course, the tables were seldom, perhaps never, turned.

"There are other messages. The old man who owned the department store was a miser who hated people and cheated his employees. No one ever made a strong moral statement about Otis, the town drunk who had a wife at home but seemed to spend most nights in jail. Helen, the public schoolteacher, knew what was good for children better than their parents did.

"There are plenty of superficial old-fashioned small-town quirks in the shows, such as the town band and the townspeople’s exaggerated ignorance of anything cosmopolitan. Occasionally the point was made that children need to learn discipline. But these features always floated on the surface. The underlying messages were that the nuclear family is uncommon and perhaps unnecessary; gender-role stereotypical living is mostly without merit; guns are bad; capitalists are evil; teachers are better than parents; and according to one ridiculous episode, killing a bird (by accident, no less) is about the greatest crime imaginable."

My Reply:

"Has anyone noticed the big brother propaganda?? Emminent Domain is praised, free trade and private enterprise (moonshine) is scorned, people are locked up for expressing their dissent to governmental tyranny and for a myriad of other God-given rights too, such as singing on the sidewalk etc. And it's interesting to note the reoccuring theme that the Sheriff is honor-bound to enforce the law no matter how unjust it is! This is big brother, fascist propaganda!!! And to think I loved this show as a kid. Can't believe I bought several seasons.

"In fact, many times, Andy or Barney ADMITTEDLY trump up charges to lock people up on! This show, tho "clean and wholesome," is one of the most anti Constitution pieces of TV ever put out! I'm just outraged. What a clever scheme to lure the Christians of this country and the good people of the 60s into accepting big government and loose construction of the constitution as legitimate and just."

So does anyone have a comment or more information of this show's sinister message and how it came to be?

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Seinfeld followed the Andy Griffith

show format with no story lines:
Andy- Jerry
Helen- Elaine
Barney- George
Thelma Lou- Susan
Gomer- Kramer
Goober- Newman

I disagree with the propaganda claim, Barney is also portrayed as the buffoon who also follows the law to the T even in a less populated

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Opie - ?
Aunt Bee - ?

Big difference between a sitcom and a moral-based drama/comedy...

A man I know.....

....says he loves the Griffith show. He also lauded the glories of its wholesomeness.

Though I never cared much for the stupid show, now that you've explained it so well, I'm not inclined to regard it.

That show was made, no doubt, during the "transition years" of this country's history to where people were no longer self sufficient and were becoming believers in THE STATE.

Did you

ever notice Opie has a few missing teeth. I bet they were promoting poor dental health to get everyone to accept national healthcare. LOL

followed by a commercial for flouride.

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Sinister - Andy Griffith Show? That's just Nuts!

One of the best shows ever - you need to get out more & step away from your computer

"You Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come"

Sinister would be an objective term...

In this case. The observances are striking, one must admit.

Has anyone seen the new

Has anyone seen the new television series Homeland Security USA?
Should be a real Propaganda winner.
I haven't watched it and never will.

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Are we the dogs? And who were these selfish giraffes?

MY favorite episode.
Listen around 1:30.

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~Ron Paul On the 911 Truth movement.

Even as a kid

I never liked the show. I lived in a small town, too, and I thought Mayberry RFD was a ridiculously unrealistic place where everyone behaved strangely. Don Knotts was a very talented comedian, though.

The Best Show On T.V.

Awe : - (

I've noticed

that I am always rethinking how I used to think. This is a typical example.

I always felt mildly uncomfortable with that show, but as a kid, could not have put it into words. Probably as someone said, the mother was long gone and forgotten. Maybe I felt an underlying sadness rather than a recognition of agenda.

Although now that you mention it, I completely agree with you.

I don't watch Cops, but someone close to me does, so I need to check it out.

It didn't work.

I used to watch it and I'm okay.

It didn't work on me either.

I watched it every day and I'm okay - at least sort of okay, anyway.

I gave my TV away in 1985 and haven't watched a single sit-com since then. (When my friend go to sports bars, I watch televised games with them, but that is my only contact with TV today.) When they stopped showing Rockford Files repeats every day, there just wasn't anything worth watching anymore.

I was so young when I watched the Andy Griffith Show that I really cannot comment on whether or not it contained pinko propaganda - my memories of it are just too fuzzy.

I certainly hope that the Rockford Files wasn't pinko propaganda! Even today, I respond to most social situations by asking myself, "what would Jim Rockford do?"


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Look at the Matrix*

Look at Wickerman, so many others too.

Pleasantville anyone?

Now here's the answer to those 50's and 60' shows. One of my all time fave movies.

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Some Points Valid; Others Not

I do think TV shows have been propaganda vehicles since the 1950's, and I think some of the criticisms expressed re the Andy Griffith Show have merit -- certainly the lack of a nuclear family in the Mayberry cast of characters is noteworthy, as are the relationships of Don Knotts and Andy Griffith to their female protagonists (antagonists?). The point about the "exploitive capitalist" department store owner is also well taken. And the government (Andy and the public school teacher) is always the morally correct viewpoint. Helen, as was suggested, knows better than the parents, and Andy must exert his authority in an unconstitutional manner if necessary to "do good."

Other points though are, in my opinion, reaching. You could argue that the show was pro-gun, as the article recognizes that when necessary Andy (the responsible one) would need to use a weapon to pursue a truly violent criminal. Barney would be the negligent overzealous authoritarian who could not be trusted with a gun. To then say that the show is "hypocritical" in its anti-gun message by being pro-gun is an uninspired bit of pretzel logic. . . . And the points about certain aspects of Mayberry life being inconsistent with small-town Southern life, i.e., the pre-dinner cocktail (maybe in Savannah, but certainly not Mayberry!) and the 10pm diner visit, may be accurate but can hardly be described as propaganda messages.

An interesting read, thanks.

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

You missed the point on the gun thing...

"You could argue that the show was pro-gun, as the article recognizes that when necessary Andy (the responsible one) would need to use a weapon to pursue a truly violent criminal. "

The point is that Andy would reach for a rifle instead of a pistol. Which is exactly what the gun-control crowd's mantra is - You don't need to own a pistol, but hunting guns are okay. Andy's rifle was a .30-06 deer hunting rifle.

Reaching for a hunting rifle

Reaching for a hunting rifle instead of a pistol is arguably the act of a man who understands the differences in capabilities between rifles and pistols.

John Wayne's weapon of choice in most of his western films was a rifle. Does that make him a pinko gun grabber?

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Does one kill someone deader than the other? The only difference in "capabilities between rifles and pistols" is one can shoot further than the other.

The John Wayne analogy would have worked if Andy Griffith always packed his rifle.

"The only difference in

"The only difference in "capabilities between rifles and pistols" is one can shoot further than the other."

Ah. That must be why so many people on safari in lion and elephant country hunt dangerous game with pistols?

Support the Constitution of the United States

Support the Constitution of the United States

That's a stretch...




And it's already a backpedaling from the original "anti-gun" theory.

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels


No, it isn't

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."


It's not by any stretch.

I was never a fan...

of this particular show but the way to change America back then was through our entertainment and via gradualism. It had to be gradual for people to accept it...and THEY DID accept it all at face value despite most of it being quite innocuous compared to the sewage that we have today!!

Those who knew about the modus operandi used and what the aims were even back in the 50's and early 60's - like my mother who would not have a TV in the house - were FAR ahead of their time and recognized the slippery slope for what it was.

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom." Patrick Henry

You should disseminate "All in the Family "

That might take a while. That show was pure bigotry . And the head Bigot was an outlandish religious freak.

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Actually that show was anti-bigotry

The creator, forget his name, is/was a well-known PC type, who used the show to make bigots like Archie Bunker look like complete idiots. You could not do that on television these days.

...In Liberty


The writer

was Norman Lear, and he also produced Sanford and Son, One Day at a Time, The Jeffersons, Good Times and Maude. Yes, Archie Bunker was supposed to come off as a complete idiot, but he was also the show's main breadwinner of the family, which made him more authoritative and worthy of respect than his freeloading son-in-law, Mike. Mike was a socialist and an atheist, so I thought he was an idiot, too, even though he was often touted as the intellectual with the politically correct view.

What does his atheism have to do with anything?

That makes him an idiot?

That's illogical.


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