Religious comments before party votes stifle the liberty movement.
I and other lovers of lady liberty witnessed a vote go to the status quo purely because a candidate chose to criticize "evangelicals".
He may have felt safe to do so, but the point is, many people were free with their opinions and how they voted (for various GOP positions), and the sad fact is, simply because he chose to opine about evangelicals-he lost.
Yes. There were many terms used, among them :"new blood" and "fresh faces."
Young and old were ready to vote in an ardent Ron Pauler, until he chose to give his own opinion on how some evangelicals in our government are being far less than helpful. It is not that the subject lacks merit, yet the timing was painful, and it became a needless loss of a position, which is now retained by a Bush-loving hack.
Please, I BEG you, if you're up for a vote, or if you have to give a speech, keep in mind that there are those that will have a knee-jerk reaction to anything they perceive as anti-Christian or anti-religion.
It's your choice, although the results speak for themselves.
There were victories, and it brings me true joy to have seen them, but remember that if you need votes, please keep it simple and avoid the topic of religion as much as possible.
This ol' cog in the wheel is trying to give tips to the other cogs in this great wheel of freedom, and I appreciate all the good advice I've received as well.
Don't give up-the bad guys won't.
P.S. Merry Christmas, Happy Chanuka, and Happy Holidays to all.
Religion really has no place
Religion really has no place in any political discussion- the issues need to be discussed.
But as a Christian if there was any candidate running on a platform which had the slightest hint of "bashing" my belief system, their potential solicitation of my vote would end immediately.
The problem is that there is a fundamental
belief system that ( end times predestination ) that many are hypnotized to and refuse to see any alternatives contrary to that position or end result.
However, you are correct.
I repent evangelicals and catholics.
I'm just pissed as a gnostic doing past life regression I've been burnt at the stake 4 times by both protestants and catholics ! I guess some of us still carry a grudge... l.o.l..
Jesus said.....
....not everyone that calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn't mean that they are one. Many fakes, impostors and hypocrites claim to be Christians but really aren't. They are the ones that cause God's "name to be blasphemed among the Gentiles".
Many politicians will use Christianity (or whatever is the current dominant religion) to gain more votes....but after they're elected then "the dog returneth to the vomit".
The door swings both
ways it seems. Promises, promises look what bush did with his pro religion and freedom talk. A lot a good that did people. It seems there are those who would vote strictly against anyone that was pro religion. Their fooled too. We are trying to walk over quicksand. They lie, lie, lie and I know that we CANNOT base our vote on ANYTHING they say. Just my two cents.
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Thank you very much for your post.
We in Minnesota are aware of the religious knee jerk reaction by Christian right wingers. Religion really ought not be involved but it is for so many people who fear that Christian religion is systematically being annihilated in this country. I understand this feeling, so, yes, we need to be mindful of this as we begin the process of voting for key positions in the Republican party.
I do believe that Christians need to hear that their candidate believes in God and the Constitution to reassure themselves they are voting in someone who sympathizes with what concerns them. A sincere candidate need not be a 'fanatic', but understanding this concern is important if Paulers want to get elected.
What if the pro-freedom candidate doesn't believe in God?
I don't need to know anything else from a candidate except that he/she is going to work their butt off to restore the Constitution.
Christians in America need to wake up. If they will only vote for Christian candidates, this country is in a lot of trouble. We should be thrilled to have any person step-up and carry Ron's torch.
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Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it. John Adams
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
non religious candidates
I realize you're asking the other member, but I thought you'd like to know that I don't have any problem at all voting for an atheist, or agnostic, so long as their attitude about religion isn't belligerent.
Like a wise person said "Believe what you want, just don't be a jerk about it."
Anyway, you're right, the restoration of the Constitution is priority number one.
While I'm at it, let me tell anyone reading that my best friend (besides my wife) is an atheist and we agreed long ago to live and let live. We can discuss things, but we will never call each other bad names or the like.
And I have reminded Christians in my local GOP that atheists are not the enemy. Liars and crooks are the enemy.
I have found a way to open doors to self-professed liberals or hardcore Democrats: Mention how Howard Dean was right. If we're gonna keep fighting over just God, guns, and gays, we as a people are doomed.
Paraphrased, but you get the point. Oh, and OF COURSE I know the 2nd amendment is important and worth fighting for, only making a point.
minnesota concerns
I agree wholeheartedly. A lot of people simply need to know that once you're in power, you're not going to attack them somehow.
I go back and forth about the extent to which Christianity is truly attacked in the U.S., but to me at least, it seems obvious at times that it's "cool" to attack Jesus, but little else in the world of religion...not that attacking any religion is all that positive.
Then again, sometimes people are looking to be offended, in a way. What do you think? Do you get the sense that sometimes people are trying really hard to be offended as a means of a vehicle to something else?
Good point hornoffreedom.
A pro-Constitution candidate will probably attract the most votes if he/she stays on topic.
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Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it. John Adams
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
religious comments before party votes
Thank you, and thanks to anyone that is listening. :)
I'm not on this site very much, but I'm grateful that I'm allowed to participate in this forum. Just had to say that.
We need more posts like yours, horn.
It's good information.
BTW, why aren't you here more?
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Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it. John Adams
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
not here enough
The usual: Wife, kids, and work, you know pretty standard.
One more thing, I hate to admit it, but sometimes the news here gets me down, and the way I see it, I cannot let myself get too bummed out.
It's darn near impossible to get anything done if I'm down in the dumps.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's fantastic in the true sense of the word to see how many people still care about what's happening and are willing to intelligently discuss the issues. Except that sometimes it seems almost too much to bear to keep hearing how the wrong ideas are made policy.
Like the India/Pakistan issue. It breaks my heart. It also angers me that Bush armed both countries.
So I think a lot of people understand that occasionally some of us may need to take a step back and take a deep breathe a give thanks for what IS good in the world.
Thanks again.