9/11 Vote YES/NO - One subject at a time - FOREKNOWLEDGE
I don't like to build my case on ruminations and speculations, but on the available best evidence, from which I draw the most likely conclusion, applying the rather unglamorous but time-honored technique called the "scientific method." Formulate a hypothesis based on the evidence, then test that hypothesis (in this case using questions).
To get caught up into the "he said she said" (what Dan Rather said Myers said Bush said etc.) is to get involved in chasing your tail — and everyone else's! History tells us that in a crisis like this, the scramble to cover butts, even when there HASN'T been a conspiracy involved, ususally results in contradictory, every-changing stories. This is true from sorting out who broke the cookie jar in the kitchen to who was caught with their hand in the till at Enron...everyone will scramble to hit on a story that plays well. So, to avoid this quagmire, the best approach is to go with the most concrete evidence and known facts.
So let's take one part at a time and debate it with evidence to back-up each hypothesis. As we progress I will update this thread with democratic votes for or against our collective theories. (PLEASE REFRAIN FROM NAME CALLING AND INSTIGATING DEROGATORY REACTIONS AS YOU WILL BE HELD IN CONTEMPT)
Please state your answer YES or NO to the question and provide any links to your corroborating evidence. Thank You!
Question Number 1: Did an Elite Cabal in our Government Have foreknowledge of 9/11?
On December 28th, 2008 wg3323 says: YES
On December 28th, 2008 86theFED says: YES
On December 28th, 2008 nwind says: YES
On December 28th, 2008 see-thru says: YES
On December 28th, 2008 quiltingsando says: YES
On December 28th, 2008 CurtisinColorado says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 oruval says: YES
On December 28th, 2008 RJ says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 horatiusatthegate says:NO
On December 28th, 2008 missdavenport says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 MageesterMixit says:YES...Flipper!
On December 28th, 2008 SIERRAHPBT says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 nidhogge says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 Ruth says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 SteveMT says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 jim carter says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 gibson says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 Galileo says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 finster says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 truth supporter says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 Ragnar D says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 sentinel says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 MikeLawson says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 wolfangel says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 melgesman says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 JUSTCOMEHOME says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 Joesmoe says:NO
On December 28th, 2008 Soli says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 LEGALize420 says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 Jive_Dadson says:NO
On December 28th, 2008 webpilot says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 think4yourself says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 netzorro says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 billyjack1958 says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 gocatgo says:YES
On December 28th, 2008 JKap says:YES--
On December 29th, 2008 ArmorOfChrist777 says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 JBPT says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 Deliverance says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 legalizeliberty says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 hornet258 says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 mwiegand says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 raisputin says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 declarationofre... says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 zapatista says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 scottishamerican1 says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 RicheyG says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 erschiessen says:YES
On December 29th, 2008 T-Shirt says:YES
So Far Total 49---- 46(94%)YES ---- 3 (6%)NO -----
Corroborating Evidence of Foreknowledge
http://stoplying.ca/
http://911blogger.com/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main30360...
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JmXQ-z8S4
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm
http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2002-05-18/article/...
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/16014/Pentagon_conducted_9_11_styl...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/senate_big_reveals_more_911_warn...
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/911_widows_blast_Bush_Admi...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/013004randyglass.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20021220054102/http://www.abcnews...
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/RobertWright.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/resources/web/foreknowlege.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/docs/inter...
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050830185334880
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard....
Evidence against Foreknowledge
http://www.911myths.com/html/israeli_art_student_spies.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/put_options.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/jeb_bush_declared_martial_law_....
http://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and__2_3_trilli....
http://www.911myths.com/html/4000_israelis.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/zim_shipping.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/august_6_memo.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/odigo.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/willie_brown.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon_officials.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/ariel_sharon.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/anne_tatlock.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/bush_on_9_11.html
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Able_Danger
Yes
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YES YES YES
yes and yes...
YES
YES
The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.
- Calvin Coolidge
yes
http://scottishkyle.blogspot.com/
http://scottishkyle.blogspot.com/
Yes
Most definitely.
Yes, absolutely, without a doubt
Too many links to provide.
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
yes
yes
Yes
Of course Jorge BUSHit and his
NeoConmen owners did it.
Dov Zakheim x-comptroller of the pentagram
should be at the top of any real investigators list
That would be a real Home Run!
http://911review.com/motive/empire.html
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
YES
YES
vote
YES imo
Foreknowledge??
YES, They knew about it.
Next question please.
Yes
http://stoplying.ca/
http://911blogger.com/
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57925480@N00/2660779139/sizes/l/
Website:
http://www.libertypoet.com/
Twitter:
http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
votes updated... thanks for the links!
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Thanks for a great thread
bump for activism
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57925480@N00/2660779139/sizes/l/
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http://www.libertypoet.com/
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
Yes!
"We dare not forget that we are heirs of that first revolution" -JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERLtsBIqDg
Yes
Yes
yes
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Addressing claims of Foreknowledge
**Israeli intelligence operatives spied on the alleged 9/11 hijackers for months prior to the attacks
http://www.911myths.com/html/israeli_art_student_spies.html
**John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial flights in July 2001
http://www.911myths.com/html/foreknowledge.html
**Insider trading on American Airlines and United Airlines stocks prove foreknowledge of 9/11
http://www.911myths.com/html/put_options.html
**Jeb Bush declared martial law in Florida, 4 days before 9/11
http://www.911myths.com/html/jeb_bush_declared_martial_law_....
**One day before 9/11 Rumsfeld announces $2.3 trillion missing from Pentagon funds, suspiciously perfect timing that kept the story out of the headlines
http://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and__2_3_trilli....
**4000 Israelis failed to turn up for work on 9/11
http://www.911myths.com/html/4000_israelis.html
**Israeli company ZIM Shipping left the WTC only two weeks before the attacks
http://www.911myths.com/html/zim_shipping.html
**Bush was warned al Qaeda were taking part in activities “consistent with preparation for hijackings” only weeks before 9/11
http://www.911myths.com/html/august_6_memo.html
**Odigo employees told of 9/11 a few hours in advance
http://www.911myths.com/html/odigo.html
**San Francisco mayor Willie Brown was warned not to fly on 9/11
http://www.911myths.com/html/willie_brown.html
**Top Pentagon officials cancelled their flight plans on September 10th
http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon_officials.html
**Ariel Sharon cancelled a plan to speak in New York on 9/11
http://www.911myths.com/html/ariel_sharon.html
**Anne Tatlock of Fiduciary missed 9/11 by attending a small meeting of WTC business leaders at Offutt Air Force Base
http://www.911myths.com/html/anne_tatlock.html
**The five “dancing Israelis” set up a camera to film the WTC before the attacks occurred
http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html
**Why wasn’t Bush immediately removed from the Florida school on 9/11, after the second impact? Was it because they knew he was in no danger?
http://www.911myths.com/html/bush_on_9_11.html
**Able Danger
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Able_Danger
The 9/11 Shell Game
It was almost an afterthought. On March 1, 2003, the War On Terror had finally served up the alleged paymaster of 9/11 - a shadowy Saudi by the name of Mustafa Ahmed al-Hisawi. Yet his arrest just happened to coincide with the capture of a much bigger fish - the reported 9/11 mastermind himself, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed - thus relegating Mustafa Ahmed to the footnote section of the "official" 9/11 Legend. But there was another, more explosive side to this tale. Only seventeen months before, a former London schoolboy by the name of Omar Saeed Sheikh was first exposed as the 9/11 paymaster, acting under the The truth of the 9/11/01 attack is hidden behind several counter-legends that are played off against each other. Chaim Kupferbert describes how the official 9/11 Legend is woven from a number of parallel counter-legends each of which could be played to different audiences for desired effects.
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title: Stacking The Patsies of 9/11
authors: Chaim Kupferberg
In perhaps the most controversial segment of his landmark article, Chaim Kupferberg argues that, in addition to the "Official" 9/11 Legend, a number of counter-legends were built in so as to generate false leads and to take the emphasis away from the most likely instigators. Plus: An all-new section on former CIA agent Robert Baer and Daniel Pearl.
The events of September 11 gave birth to three parallel threads - or counter-legends - pointing the way to the culpability of three possible foreign suspects, or patsies - namely, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Israel. Of the three, the Saudis were the patsies of choice for the mainstream "critics", who were a motley assortment of neo-cons, FBI investigators, or "retired" national security types opposed to the war in Iraq. The Pakistan/ISI thread to 9/11 flared up most noticeably in the events surrounding the death of Daniel Pearl and the alleged involvement of Omar Saeed Sheikh - events which were used, in fact, to smother the Pakistani/ISI connection to the 9/11 money trail. As regards Israel, the most radical opponents of the War On Terror were nursed on the twin threads of an Israeli spy ring and a neo-con cabal supposedly at the helm of the Bush Administration.
site: www.globalresearch.ca/ page: www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP312B.html
A similar strategy of playing off couter-legends is evident in the promotion of the numerous demonstrably false ideas packaged as 9/11 Truth, and frequently embraced by sincere researchers. The many competing theories sustain endless debates that go no-where serving to obfuscate the crime and providing easy targets for ridicule by the corporate press.
http://www.911review.com/disinfo/shellgame/index.html
This is a long read but it goes into detail about the dis-info that has been woven into the 9/11 conspiracy theories. I have and never will disagree that there are many but they are inserted to discredit and confuse.
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Thanks for the link and your input...
The only thing I have to say is it looks like your putting a lot of faith in 9/11 Myths... kind of like having all your eggs one basket.
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Well, debunk 9/11 myths.com then.
Take a few rebuttals, from my list above,to Truther claims on 911myths.com, do some homework, and show how their rebuttal is wrong. Don't dismiss it and avoid it like you are doing now. The vast majority of Truthers believe it was an inside job so debunkers have focused on those claims. I know sooner or later, Truthers will shift to "the government allowed it to happen", which you seem to now be asserting, and when that happens the debunkers will address each of those claims.
Do your own homework and study things like IRON MOUNTAIN
The War on Scarorism is one of 7 ways this think tank
The Report From Iron Mountain
cam up with to bring about a one world government.
Came out during JFKs administration. Thats how far back these criminals have been working on this BS
BC
I'm not dismissing it and I will work on a rebuttal.
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Extra Extra..
The International.
they control your money. They control your government. They control your life. And everybody pays
Now they make movies about it.
The elite aren't even hiding it anymore.. They are now allowing movies to show arrogance and prowess.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0963178/The International.
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Foreknowledge? That's a big 10-4
YES.
Just look at the government officials who were mysteriously warned not to fly commercial in the weeks and months prior to 9/11 at increased taxpayer expense.
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"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained." -Mahatma Gandhi
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
votes updated... thanks for the link!
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Complete 911 Timeline is a good source if anyone is interested
1999
MI6, the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use “commercial aircraft” in “unconventional ways,” “possibly as flying bombs.”
1999
German intelligence gives the CIA the first name of hijacker Marwan Alshehhi and his telephone number in the United Arab Emirates. The Germans learned the information from surveillance of suspected Islamic militants. They tell the CIA that Alshehhi has been in contact with suspected al-Qaeda members Mohammed Haydar Zammar and Mamoun Darkazanli. He is described as a United Arab Emirates student who has spent some time studying in Germany. [US Congress, 7/24/2003 ; Deutsche Presse-Agentur (Hamburg), 8/13/2003; New York Times, 2/24/2004] The Germans consider this information “particularly valuable” and ask the CIA to track Alshehhi, but the CIA never responds until after the 9/11 attacks. The CIA decides at the time that this “Marwan” is probably an associate of bin Laden but never track him down. It is not clear why the CIA fails to act, or if they learn his last name before 9/11. [New York Times, 2/24/2004] The Germans monitor other calls between Alshehhi and Zammar, but it isn’t clear if the CIA is also told of these or not (see September 21, 1999).
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete...
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Yes,
I do believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Does that make me a "truther"?
not necessarily you need to be wearing a 911insidejob hat.
to officially be a truther. You're safe.
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~
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