9/11 Photographic evidence... What does this picture say to you?
Submitted by 86theFED on Fri, 01/02/2009 - 13:26
9/11 Photographic evidence... What does these pictures say to you?
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp8.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp1.html
http://www.911review.com/attack/wtc/imgs/stexp.jpg
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I like this thread
so I think I'll bump it.
Ground Zero from
Ground Zero from above
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hey 86
* Explosions started at the impact zone and proceeded down the intact portion of the Tower and up the overhanging portion, instead of starting at ground level.
I've got a few questions. I'm not going one way or another on this topic although I don't believe the real truth has been offered in the 911 story.
First of all, 911 aside, the actions of our government since that day (war in Iraq, Patriot Act, etc.) is enough to color these "leaders" for what they are, criminals and traitors.
Question one: I ask this question because I have no knowledge in demolitions, from everything I've seen, rigging a building can be dangerous work. If the explosions began at the point of impact, how did they know where the point of impact would be? That's important because..
Question two: If you don't know for sure where the point of impact will be, but you want the explosion to begin at the point of impact, you'd have to rig every floor to make sure you have explosives in the right vicinity. If you load the entire building...is it possible to have a jet slam into a building, creating a huge fireball, without setting off the charges in the area effected?
Question three: It's been stated by many people that a jet loaded with fuel, crashing into a building and burning for an extended period of time, consuming everything inside the building, cannot create enough heat to melt steel beams. If that's true then what type of fire would melt steel beams? Some kind of fire must be able to do it, if not, then why do they fireproof the steel beams?
Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio
Question 1: Hijack override
Question 1: Hijack override capabilities have been available since the 70's and specifically the 767 and 757 were equipped with this technology. The planes could have been overridden remotely and flown to the targets.
Question 2: Who says when the plane hit it didn't set off some charges it's quite possible. To make the demo look like it derived from the impact you would need a good vantage point like an evacuated bunker in WTC7 to assess the situation and proceed after impact. Too bad WTC7 fell due to fire as well oh I'm sorry thermal expansion at least for now.
Question 3: Fire can melt steel but it takes constant temperature in the same location over a long period of time. Office fires don't burn hot enough number one and they move around consuming the combustibles. That's one reason why there has never a collapse in a steel frame building due to fire. What can melt steel? Thermite can my friend and residues were found in multiple locations in the WTC dust.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/residues.html
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Thanks 86
for the reply.
Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio
In response to 86's claims
Question 1 claim: http://www.911myths.com/html/remote_control.html
Question 2 claim: There were no explosives going off on impact. 86 knows this, that's why he did not provide video to prove his claim.
Question 3 claims:
WTC - No Small or Oxygen-Starved Fires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAd_9zeldkI
http://www.911myths.com/html/black_smoke.html
The "First Time in History" Claim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MRSr1MnFuk
Thermate Chemical Signatures Disproven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWpC_1WP8do
World Trade Center's Collapse Explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w
AFTER TODAY NOBODY GIVES A SH*T WHAT YOU SAY!!!
F*CKIN LITTLE CRYBABY HOW OLD ARE 12!
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Yet another unsubstantiated claim by 86theFED
although this one might have more validity than his remote controlled jet fantasy.
Hey Horatiusatthegate...keep up the good work. Are you really 12 years old?
h-daddy
H-Daddy why don't you go F**k yourself!! Typical Good German!
I never claimed the evidence I only said it was possible and available the Boeing 767/757.
You have never made a claim that you can back up either turd boy!
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
I could care less if truthers give a s*** what I say.
There is no reasoning with blind zealots. Stop with the name calling,86, you're hurting my feelings. Just kidding. Keep it up, it only shows those who have not made up their minds about 9/11 and those who haven't heard your propaganda yet, the type of person you really are. Who, in their right mind, would believe you after seeing your posts here on DP.
You my friend a worthless peice of sh*t... You don't get your
way so cry like a little girl in middle school. You are a disgusting evil little troll.
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Horatius, you've described yourself perfectly in your post.
A "blind zealot".
That's exactly what you are.
F**k off Troll! YOU HAVE BLOWN YOUR COVER!
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Look
Can we please get a moderator on this? Seriously?
This is something Ron Paul would say or approve of? Intimidatory tactics and name calling? How do you justify this kind of language or behavior?
Cut the caps, cut the language, and discuss things like a rational human being.
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I really don't give a crap after what whore*ss did yesterday!
That little tool crys like a little 12 year old girl because he wasn't getting his way and you know it. I justify it because that little tool deserves it.
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
What did I do 86?
You don't even know. Provide a full explanation of what happened, why Michael took away Legalize's mod role, what I did, how Michael came to his decision, etc. Explain the whole thing. I know you can't because you were not here when the thread was up. It was deleted by Michael before you showed up.
M.N. was not forced by anyone to do what he did. He saw what happened and made the decision. Legalize has only himself to blame.
I am not 86, but I will do my best to answer..
Question 1) I believe that the planes were guided just like a smart bomb is guided to its target. The technology to remotely control them has existed since the mid 70s. Even experienced pilots have said that the maneuvers could not have been done by them, much less inexperienced pilots.
Question 2) I believe that thermite was in the targeted area of impact. It was used to weaken the 47 core columns in that area, causing the "buckling" that the debunkers talk about. The fuel couldn't have melted the steel, even if most of it had stayed in the building. We know it didn't stay in the building, as evidenced by the massive fireball.
Question 3) The way a "fuel" can melt steel is dependent on how the fuel is mixed with air. The fireball you witnessed outside the building was a perfect air/fuel mixture. It burns much hotter than fuel that is just puddled on the floor.
These buildings were designed to take multiple impacts from a 707, very similar in size to a 767.
If you look at the smoke, it was dark black. This is evident of an oxygen starved fire. Do you remember the pictures of people standing in the gaping hole in the side of the WTC? If it was hot enough to melt steel, then those people would have been jumping, like the others.
On top of all this, I have met William Rodriguez who was the janitor in the WTCs for 20 years. He tells of explosions going off in the basement of the WTC. I do not believe this man has ANY reason to lie. His story is VERY compelling.
I have met Dr. Steven Jones. I have seen his scientific presentation. I have shook his hand, and looked him in the eye. I also believe that this man has no reason to lie.
On the other hand, the Bush admin has been VERY secretive, and have stalled any attempt at an investigation. To me, the truth does not fear investigation.
There are to many inconsistencies to list in this post. I have done hundreds of hours of research in this matter since 9/11. Does it make me an expert? No.
But who are you going to trust? Me? The guy down the street.
Or...
George Bush and his cronies who make a profit off of war and destruction.
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I assume
you have seen 'September Clues' then? What is your opinion on the evidence that the 911 videos are fake and that missiles hit instead of planes?
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
Missiles do not make fireballs...
...
CHA-CHING!
It wasn't a missle that hit the pentgon but they make fireballs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19XXTArAGaM
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Those fireballs
look very similar to the fireballs on 911.
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
If it was a plane
how did it penetrate 1 wall of the pentagon let alone 6? And where are the holes for the engines which are much harder and have more mass than the nose of the plane?
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
Explosion != Fireball
But we are arguing a minor point. We both agree that it was a plane. I was merely pointing out that a bunch of fuel burning looks much different than explosives detonating.
CHA-CHING!
Yes it was a plane...
But who flew that plane and how and why didn't missile batteries fire at it? only Military aircraft squawk a friendly code unless someone turned of those batteries or worse someone programed the code on the incoming plane. Wonder why we have never got to ask that question to the right people? Those saudi's are slick aren't they?
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
What missile batteries?
?
CHA-CHING!
Why do you think the air over washington is called the most
protected airspace on the planet (especially over the Pentagon)?
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Missles are bullsh*t and disinfo to damage the truth movement..
http://www.911review.com/disinfo/videos.html
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
No they are not!
Just because you believe missiles may have been used doesn't mean you damage the truth movement.
I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.
Look at where the story is coming from and who is backing them..
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
I have not seen "September Clues"
I researched heavily for the first two or three years, and I believe that film came out afterward. I will check it out though.
I think the fake planes is a tough sell. I have seen some of the things put forward, and it definitely makes you think.
I guess what convinced me it wasn't fake was a video taken from the ground when the plane impacted. Several seconds later you heard debris hitting the ground. It would be hard to fake that. But you never know.
I wouldn't put anything past this corrupt Govt. and media.
The thing that really sticks in my craw, are the burned out vehicles, and the way they burned. It is hard to rule out some sort of directed energy weapon, as we don't know much about them.
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