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What stops people from wanting to hear the truth?

I was just told that I drive myself crazy with politics by someone I thought I was waking up. It's hard to explain that I'm not driving myself crazy or that any of the real big picture has the least to do with politics (at least the personality red team/blue team politics most americans know).

I feel free, enlightened and happy. I actually feel sorry for people who have no intellectual curiosity. But I'm not conviced that is the entire problem.

Why do you think people are averse to the truth? Why do you think people think others are driving themselves nuts when all they are really doing is sharing fascinating information. I know that powerlessness is probably a huge part of it, but it's hard to explain an intellectual journey for the sake of enlightenment. Do they need to get graded on all learning? Is it just easier to believe what they hear on TV?

Or----have many people become "fed-up" with it and decided they were not interested in anything but their own little existence?

I'm not sure how to carry on a conversation anymore because 90% of the topics people have are straight from the TV and its all part of the big picture. Maybe they think I'm crazy because noone on tv talks like I do.

Can someone help me make heads or tails of this??

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My two cent is that I think we are all desensitized, and told at an early age that there's two things you don't talk about. One is religion, and the other is politics. That these are your beliefs, and believing in something requires faith. Most of the time you are your parents religion, and political partisan. I think this is the reason people defend partisan politics even if they don't understand them, because it's like defending your parents good name. The other thing is competition, like your favorite sports team. You don't want to go against your favorite "team" because you would be a traitor, and so you must demoralize and crush the other team. ( This also works for woman's fashion, beauty contests, whatever.) Also "team spirit" and "working together as a team" is a socialist concept, but I don't think people can separate the neighborly concept from the governing one. I think education and the atmosphere we are taught in also plays a major roll in these problems. Teachers only parrot what they are taught. ( Sorry if you are a teacher, but it's a fact) "Open your books to page so and so and read the chapter. now there will be a test. Pass or fail with no debate on the subject, as it must be right because it's in the book and uniformity must be a conformity.
I am convinced of this...(thefreeman) is wrong.

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

Programs like

Social Engineering

The government has been performing mind control projects for decades via MK Ultra. The CIA infiltrated the main stream media decades ago via project MOCKINGBIRD. Edward Bernays was an expert in marketing manipulation and was so successful getting people to buy products that the CIA hired him. The television is one of the greatest brain washing tools if not the greatest the world has seen to date. There have been some research studies that suggest television literally puts peoples brains in a hypnotic state. They measured the persons brain wave activity and television affects them. Try turning off your TV for a week, two weeks, even a month and see if your perspective on life changes. I went 3 years without a television and I truly believe this was my awakening period. People are also bombarded by propaganda in newspapers, magazines, radio, etc. which the CIA infiltrated. I own a television but probably only watch an hour of TV a week.

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I love a new door!!!! Got anything for me to look at??

I'm gonna look into this. I was awakened at 14. I haven't watched tv for more than 15-20 minutes a week for 20 years. That's probably why I'm having such an issue understanding the problem. I do notice that its hard to get people to turn their eyes away from it.


I'm amazed you have been deprogrammed from television so long. That's a great feat. I admit I was a huge TV junkie growing up. In the last 7 years or so is when I reduced my viewing more from chance, then intentionally really. I have noticed when trying to talk to people while they are watching television half the time they seem to block out what your saying. A Researcher by the name of Herbert Krugman supposedly proved that TV affects brain waves. I'm just beginning my preliminary research on the matter. What would be fascinating is to find government or CIA documents showing they have done research on the matter or use it with there MKULTRA experiments.

"In November 1969, a researcher named Herbert Krugman, who later became manager of public-opinion research at General Electric headquarters in Connecticut, decided to try to discover what goes on physiologically in the brain of a person watching TV. He elicited the co-operation of a twenty-two-year-old secretary and taped a single electrode to the back of her head. The wire from this electrode connected to a Grass Model 7 Polygraph, which in turn interfaced with a Honeywell 7600 computer and a CAT 400B computer."

"Flicking on the TV, Krugman began monitoring the brain-waves of the subject What he found through repeated trials was that within about thirty seconds, the brain-waves switched from predominantly beta waves, indicating alert and conscious attention, to predominantly alpha waves, indicating an unfocused, receptive lack of attention: the state of aimless fantasy and daydreaming below the threshold of consciousness. When Krugman's subject turned to reading through a magazine, beta waves reappeared, indicating that conscious and alert attentiveness had replaced the daydreaming state."


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Look into brainwave entrainment

Like I said in my other reply. It is how the TV puts people into a suggestion-ready brainwave pattern.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.



suggestion-ready brainwave pattern

The flicker rate of TV is the same frequency that the brain operates.

"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid."
-John Wayne

mike - have your read james' stuff?


if you send me your email i can email you a couple essays on the montauk project and various others.

They expect the welfare state

They expect the welfare state to take care of them.

There are those people who

There are those people who just dont want to learn anything new, especially if it effects their perfect and comfortable view of the world they live in. Were we not all there at one time?

"A toast, to high treason, that’s what these men were committing when they signed the Declaration of Independence. Had we lost the war, they would have been hanged, beheaded, drawn and quartered...oh and my personal favorite, had their entrails cut out and burned. So, here’s to the men who did what’s considered wrong in order to do what they knew was right...what they knew was right".
-National Treasure


Two words...

Comfort and convenience.

Remove one or both from the average citizen's daily life and see the difference.

Why work when someone is willing to hand you things?

Why think when someone is willing to tell you things?

Why try when results are guaranteed?

When people are comfortable and everything they need is within arms-reach, there is no impetus to look beyond the end of their noses.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I've been racking my brain on this too...

I think it has to do with the concept that we are taught from birth that truth is "subjective" of "in the eye of the beholder."

I am thinking that the problem I've been having is that when I try to give them [people] "the truth" I am in fact attempting to give them something they [in their minds] already possess. So how can I give them what they already have?

I have in the last few weeks been making a conscious effort to give them facts. Facts are not subjective, they simply are. The world is round. Belief or disbelief does not change that fact.

It seems to be having an effect. I'm not getting rolled eyes anymore. I cannot MAKE them believe the facts, but I can give them to them as facts and be assured that they are facts, because like most of us here, I actually research the facts.

Anyway, just my 2 cents, and I feel ya man!

I've noticed that people who

I've noticed that people who don't watch much television seem to be easier to communicate with than people who do watch regular television. Especially when confronting a belief system. Here are a few tips I've learned over the years:
1)A person must earn the rapport of their listener or else there is no real communication.
2)Ask a question and wait for the response, listen, and then ask another question and listen. Use questions to uncover their thought process.
3)Have a discussion based on facts, what they said, and what you want to communicate.

In many cases............

People will not listen because of a form of a mind control called "inoculation." Their minds have already been inoculated by their favorite media guru, (i.e. Rush, Medvid, etc.) to resist certain information.

It works like this. As you probably already know Limbaugh closed the minds of many of his listeners years ago as deeming anybody who talks conspiracy lango as being a kook, a crack pot, etc. It is in this way that many talk show folks left their listeners with the impressions that the listener is to be leary of anyone talking this way, as they could be unstable or even dangerous.


has got to be one of the most openly libertarian bands out there, they sing of freedom, free choice, and rebellion against oppressive authority. I highly doubt they are using secret waves to teach the opposite... least it didn't work on me. Bad example.

LMAO.....Rush (the band) fans are touchy..

"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid."
-John Wayne


Err, ah, I'm referring to Limbaugh........... Next.

Easy Haas

Easy Haas, we were just kidding. We knew "WHO" you meant

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

Oh yah

I think their in the top 10 with that new "neo" band...O'Riley. I like RUSH better.

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

My roomate reminds me of my old self and calls me a zealot.

He unfortunetly is not awake yet (tonight I'm getting him to watch a vid with me, it's time to wake up), yet we debate almost daily over some topic or another. Its amazing to me to hear him say things that I used to say almost exactly not more than 2-3 years ago. He is so wrapped up in the Corporate Controlled Media spin that he believes them to portray the truth and nothing else.... It will be a tough road, but if I can't convince him then I should hang it all up (not that I would anyway).

It's apathy. It's the mentality that it is the governments job, as if they are made up of a different race of people that does not include the regular person. He goes so far as to apologize and rationalize sacrificing individual liberties for the greater good.

There is much work to be done.

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Aku Soku Zan

A mindset change in a way is

A mindset change in a way is kind of like going through the stages of emotion (quite often people are stuck in denial and refuse to accept anything other than a collective narrative):
DENIAL - no way
ANGER - attacking others
BARGAINING - I would pay anything to get better
DEPRESSION - how could I be so stupid
ACCEPTANCE - OK what can I do that is positive today

"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."

"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."


I don't know a single man who is willing to feel out of control totally. That eliminates that half. People don't understand that nothing can be done with too few people, but something can be done with a great majority of people. Most people just hope that someone fixes things before it reaches them. They don't think they have had any control over the government for many years anyway and hopefully there is someone intelligent in the government who will correct the problem before it gets to the point we "fanatics" speak of. They think the problems we speak of would affect all the politicians also, so they aren't going to let it happen.

A conversation I had the other day...

with a friend i hadn't seen in a loong time.

him: so what do you listen to nowadays on the radio?

me: not the same stuff anymore ... i stopped listening to b96, and all those distracting music channels. I listen to NPR, different news channels and try to research news on my own thru the internet.

him: dude.. we used to listen to some garbage back then!! I guess we're getting old..

me: haha yeah. so what do you listen to?



The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge

It's something I have heard a lot too.

I am told to go out there and enjoy myself. I AM enjoying myself..lol.

However, I have pondered that question myself of why it is they don't want to know (that's what it often feels like to me).
My thinking is because people are too trusting (and lazy?). cannot believe that those they have trusted with their lives would do anything nasty to them. The scheming and the plotting that is going on is so mindboggling, it's hard to make sense of it and 'we pay the politicians to do their job'. The media is overpowering in their subliminal and not so subliminal messages.

To have the beliefs they have had for so long, smashed to smithereens by reality, by facts, is too hard on the ego. Nobody wants to be proven wrong.
'The majority believes what I believe so I must be right' is a hard one to crack. I haven't quite found the code yet to break through the brainwashing results people live with, other than passing on information, encouraging to watch docos or enter in discussions to make them think for themselves.

Yes, I have a few, or quite a few who are now beginning to listen and ask more questions. One in particular who lost 60% of her investments. I have hopefully saved her losing the other 40% (some of it, more likely) by urging her to sell, and invest it in gold.
It's only practical, tangible things that seem to pull them over the line. When it hits their hip pocket is probably the strongest convincer.

It's all part of the work ahead of us: pass on information.


The truth as we know it is constantly changing, subjective and interpreted by everyone. Who is to say what the truth is? I'm not arguing who is right here, just trying to give some perspective on the truth as it is known by people.

Millions of people believe that Obama is speaking the truth. Millions believe that Dr. Paul speaks the truth. People believe with all their hearts in various 'truths' and they want others to 'wake up' to their truth, just like us. I spoke with hundreds of people about who would be a better president and why. Many seemed as convinced about their truth as I am. By the way, I am always right about the truth...

It's not a matter who's right or wrong. It's a matter of digging

and keeping an open mind. I've thought I figured out THE truth no less than 100 times and it's always changed. But, I kept digging and allowed my truth to change. That's what I should say, "why are people so reluctant to change their beliefs based on things they can discover for themselves?" I'm not saying, "why won't the believe me?" or "why won't they listen?". Only, why don't they care to ponder?

What Good

Is even finding the truth? If you refuse to do something about it, for fear of retaliation? Fred Hampton was right. Your dead already. Dont bother, just stay in the matrix and quit bitching.

oh dear...

no. no. no.

EVERY time you learn something new, do something different you ALTER YOUR timelime.

when we don't know the truth about something it 'owns' us.

there you go -

People are afraid of change. The status quo seems safer, though it is not. Here's a quote I'll never forget and one that I live by:
"The measure of a mind's evolution lies in it's ability to accept change." - Thea Alexander