*HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS…* from the Lion and Lamb Ministry

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Because of The Lion and Lamb Ministry’s support of God’s covenant and promises to Israel, many folks think that we care nothing about the Palestinian Arabs. Not true!! God’s love reaches all people, and the Savior, who was born in Bethlehem, came with “good news” for ALL people!

Just for the record, over one million Arabs are full citizens of the modern State of Israel. There are Arabs who are members of the Knesset, the Israeli Parliament. Before the Intifada started in the fall of 2000 AD, thousands of Arabs also crossed the borders of Israel to go to work - jobs were available to many Arabs. Medical attention was also readily available.

Another interesting fact is that over half of the Arabs in the Middle East are “Christians” at least by way of profession and background.

The Arabs are descendants of the 12 sons of Ishmael, and they received a blessing from the LORD GOD of Israel. The mother of the Arabs was an Egyptian by the name of Hagar. Abraham is the father of the Arabs as surely as he is the father of the children of Israel. The Bible teaches in Romans 4 that Abraham is the father of “all who believe” - whether they are Jewish or Gentile.

There are now over 100 Jewish Messianic Congregations in Israel. Some of them are led by Arabs who serve as “shepherds” to both Jews and Arabs.

The late Yassir Arafat was an Egyptian. From a technical and historical standpoint, Egyptians come from Ham’s son “Mizraim (the Hebrew word for Egypt)” and are not Arab descendants in a technical sense. However, it was an Egyptian woman who gave birth to Ishmael who fathered the 12 sons who produced the descendants we call “Arabs” today.

Mohammed was a direct descendant of the tribe of Kedar, the second son of Ishmael.

The religion of Islam was not the original religion of the Arab peoples of the Middle East, but through conquest, Islam adopted the pre-Islamic Arab culture of the Middle East as their own. The truth is that Arabs are not treated very well by Muslims. The Islamic “takeover” over the Palestinian Arabs is well known. A “Palestinian Arab” is a true Arab who lives in the land of Israel, known since the 2nd century AD as “Palestine,” a name given to it by Emperor Hadrian of Rome at the time of the Second Jewish Revolt under Bar Kochba.

From a technical and historical point of view - the following countries are NOT Arab - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, and even Saudi Arabia. Today Islam has achieved the goal of convincing media personnel that the word “Arab” means “Islam” or “Muslim” and vice versa. That is not true, but nobody seems to want the truth these days! However, Arab peoples and true descendants of Ishmael live and roam about in most of the Middle Eastern countries that are Islamic in government and religion.

Bethlehem was once an Arab Christian town with 85% Christians and about 10-15% Muslim. Today, it is completely the opposite. The Muslim population of Bethlehem is now around 85% and only 15% of the people are Christians. Most of the Arab Christians have gone to Israel or other countries of the world.

There is no Palestinian language, culture, history, etc. The Palestinian State that is being proposed today is a tactic and project of Islamic terrorism, and its ultimate goal is the destruction of the State of Israel. Nothing has changed in the efforts and talk about having peace. Islam is committed to the killing of the Jewish people and it permeates all of their literature.

However, we have many friends who are “Palestinian Arabs” and they need our prayers and support. They are intimidated daily by Islamic control and domination of their lives. They are afraid to say anything, and must be careful about all they think, say, and do. It is a very tense situation.

We don’t hate Arabs - we love the Arab peoples of the Middle East and pray for their safety and their salvation. Thanks for reading.

So There You Have It!

In Christ,
Dave

www.lionandlambministry.com

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Can someone explain to me what is going on here ...

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Mixing Islam up with the

Mixing Islam up with the problem is a continous fallacy. The problem is POWERFUL STATES. They are the ones that get to define Islam in the middle east- and corrupt it powerfully. Its not "Islamic control and domination" it is state control and domination by dictators, oligarchs, and monarchies that continues in the middle east.

You're right, BUT, Islam certainly doesn't help

In Christ,
Dave

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In The LORD Jesus Christ;
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On the contrary- if Islam

On the contrary- if Islam was properly followed- private property rights would be enforced, and free trade would flourish. That's how it was in Al-Andalus during what people call the "Golden Age of Islam" while Europe was in the dark ages.

Are you certain their Y

Are you certain their Y chromosomes is the same?

Even so, partiality is a sin.

Well, dear brother, how would you feel if I said I love you; but I always take the side of your enemy? American Christians say they love the Muslims and the Arabs, but we overwhelmingly support Israel with our money, our government, our words. This is sin because the Bible says so. In James 2:9, it says, "But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors." Here are a couple other references: Deuteronomy 10:16, 16:19; Proverbs 18:5; Acts 10:34; and Galatians 2:6. Also, consider this: The Muslims recognize Jesus as a great man, a prophet. The Jews consider Jesus a wicked man and will not even utter his name.

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I sent you an e-mail. It was too heavy to post here.

Feel free to write me back.. :)
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Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

YEah. I got it. And after reading some of the posts here...

I think you might be right

In Christ,
Dave

"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17

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Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave

"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17

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I would really be interested on your thoughts

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Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

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Palestinians have no culture or history?

"There is no Palestinian language, culture, history, etc. The Palestinian State that is being proposed today is a tactic and project of Islamic terrorism, and its ultimate goal is the destruction of the State of Israel."

This statement may be your opinion however it seems a bit exteme and condescending. We have no American language. We speak English. Sure Palestinians speak arabic and add their own dialect. Not sure what you mean to say with this statement?

Would you assesment of the situation change if they had a language, culture and history that fits your definition of these words?

LivingTheDream

Read Dennis Prager, a Neocon...

1) The majority of Jews are NOT religious
2) The absolute majority of Israeli Jews are NOT religious
3) The majority of self-proclaimed Jews in Israel are NOT descended from Abraham.
4) Israel allows gay marriage and has one of the world's largest Communist parties; do you think this condition could exist under a genuine "Jewish state"?

So, modern Israel perfectly fits the admonitions of REVELATION 2:9 and 3:9, as "those who say they are Jews and are not".

Further, NOTHING in Christianity justifies genocide, even of "nonChristians". That may be perfectly fine in the eyes of OLD TESTAMENT people, but NOT Christians.

Thank You Bob*

Couldn't have said it better.

good points Bob

Thanks for posting.

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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul

You said:

"From a technical and historical point of view - the following countries are NOT Arab - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, and even Saudi Arabia."

I'm pretty sure that Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia are mostly Arab.

Nope they are not. Just for example...

the Nation of Egypt was in full swing long before the birth of Ishmael.

In Christ,
Dave

"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17

Check us out @
www.lionandlambministry.com

Best Ever Website Design:
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Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave

"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17

http://www.lionandlambministry.com

Part of the Zionist spin machine

works to hide their agenda and to present it as a Religious issue as per Schofield and Darby. (Google Samuel Untermeyer and Schofield)
The Israeli/Palestine problem is not about religion. Until you get over this you'll be clueless about events in the middle east.
It's about land. It's about stealing land from the rightful owners.
Zionism has already hijacked many Evangelicals, as it has hijacked Judaism.
Zionism's agenda is to steal the land between the Nile and the Euphrates.
If you are a Christian, then read your NT. What's happening in Gaza today is anti-Christian.
Joe Biden even warned us. Check it out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNaecX4tz3E

God loves some more than

God loves some more than others. I think that's why he let's 50,000 children starve to death each month and another 30,000 children die each month from easily curable sickness. Another 7,000 die each month from simple vitamin deficiencies while another 2,500 die from dirty water.

He also likes the USA more than he did Saddam Hussein. You see Saddam only killed around 250,000 of Iraq's citizens. He obviously was too slow and that's why God spoke to W. Bush to destroy another one million people of Iraq to show them the ill of their ways.

I also think it interesting how God connects the mentally ill with suicide cult leaders. God doesn't like the mentally ill, apparently.

I once stood on the top of a hill at my grandparent's farm. At the top of my lungs I screamed for God to strike me down. He didn't, so I guess he favors me over my parents; who he took out with friendly fire in a field hospital, in Vietnam.

I kinda look at religion like a lottery.

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Kill one man and you are a murderer, kill a million men and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone and you are God!

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"A centralized government is no less corrupt than a centralized church."
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Im with you

too Brother.

Wow Brent

What a fabulous post. You're my new best friend. We could not think more alike if we were twin souls.

Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

Thank you.

I knew I had a kindred spirit out there somewhere. :)

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Maybe Two

Maybe two.

It seems you look at religion and God as a parent.

You wait for Him to step in and say "All right, that's enough of that" and wave everyone back to a neutral corner. That's not how it works. There are evil people and evil people do evil things. God doesn't sit around poised to intervene on our behalf.

If you're naively waiting for a heavenly authority to save you/us from them then you truly are lost.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Didn't God step in and free

Didn't Our Father step in and free the people of Egypt and didn't he condemn Sodom? Why was God more active in the old world than He is now?

Really, I'm not trolling. I'm curious as to how other see these issues.

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"A centralized government is no less corrupt than a centralized church."
- Brent R.

It is thru faith that we are saved. That is the message.

And I feel God's work in the world daily. You just have to be open to it. Try asking Him to open your eyes. He can and He does do miracles. Have you ever met a person who has been touched by God who then turns and denies Him and chooses life without Him? It just doesn't happen. Once you can feel His love you will never be the same. I promise.
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Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Thank you for such a caring

Thank you for such a caring and insghtful reply.

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"A centralized government is no less corrupt than a centralized church."
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some of you blame God types

some of you blame God types are hilarious.. you do not have a clue!
Mankind was given free will... Mankind chose to go his own way.. see Adam and eve.. what you see today is not Gods fault.. the wars, famine etc are from man choosing not to listen to God! Don't blame God for what ails this world.. If God did not give us freewill you would be the first stooge beating the drum about being a slave!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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I see God heal deaf people

I see God heal deaf people on TV. Why wouldn't he save every child's life? I'm sure it is within His power to do so.

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"A centralized government is no less corrupt than a centralized church."
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Oh, I'm sorry.... I didn't see the 2 week note on his info....

Trolling for attention?

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

it is in YOUR own power to

it is in YOUR own power to heal YOURSELF. you don't need anyone else outside yourself. no crystals, no diet, no guru, no nothing.

you JUST have to learn how to heal yourself with your mind and do it.