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Why do Christians say the founding father were Christian, when its well documented from their OWN letters that

they were deist and Unitarians. That's not Christian!

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check the 1st amendment

freedom of religion is what established the union. stop with your divisive and false arguments.

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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Why do Christians say the Founding Fathers were Christian?

Because they were Christians, and Many,Many were Master Masons.
Its Just the Way It Is.

why is it...

that you can hold ALL christians as accountable for the actions of a few? isn't that like blaming a few bad ones for all the good in other groups? yeah, there are many masons in this gov't and you'd be naive that a bunch of satanists wouldn't want to tear us apart. explain the direction of this corporation known as the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and i'll tell you why they don't give a shit about you.

do or do not. there is no "try" - yoda

Why do Christians say the Founding Fathers were Christian?

Because they were Christians, and Many,Many were Master Masons.
Its Just the Way It Is.

Dexterszyd----In God we trust. All others bring data.

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Thomas Paine was a big Deist, perhaps the biggest.

And many others were, also.

"Paine's theism, however invested with biblical and Christian phraseology, was a birthright. It appears clear from several allusions in "The Age of Reason" to the Quakers that in his early life, or before the middle of the eighteenth century, the people so called were substantially Deists."

Introduction to the "Age of Reason"


i am a christian, i grew up with christians, i know hundreds..

of christians. i have never heard one of them say what you mention here.
i am who i am, and im here right beside you.

if you build it he will come..........Ron Paul 2012.
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This wins the award for, "Loaded Question of the Day"

Seriously, could you phrase a more ambiguous question in less of a straw man style?

In case you haven't noticed, the above question is rhetorical, much like yours!

Please pick up your copy of Atlas Shrugged on your way out the door and quit whining about religion. It does a lot of seriously crappy things, but this isn't the way to go about fighting it.

Eric Hoffer

Jefferson was a Materialist

Jefferson believed to accomplish something, doing something was required.
He had no use for the bully pulpit. He should be alive today to see the sheeple being lead to slaughter.

Belief is the foundation of

Belief is the foundation of religion. Some Christians (esp. the Constitution Party) try to use this, supposing that the Founders were Christians, assuming then that we are a Christian nation founded on Christian principles.

Of course, some of them may have been. But it is quite a stipulation to say that they were all Christians. Though they were all greatly influenced by Christianity, it doesn't necessarily assume that they adhered to it.

I suppose that many of them were simply deists.


"Talk all you can about all you know all of the time."


exactly is the point of this? It is obviously an exercise on how to lump a bunch of people together within a group rather than treating individuals as individuals...but then who cares about common sense lessons. We expect the world to change and yet some of us still can't focus on anything worthwhile.

Over simplified

What is the purpose of this discussion?

First of all who are the founders? Do you mean the signers of the Declaration of Independence or the signers of the Constitution? Are you intending to lump all of them together or just cherry pick from a prominent handful?

What constitutes a "Christian", last I understood, "Christian" was broad brush that encompassed every religious sect that made reference to the Bible. Both deist and Unitarians take selected items from the Bible to make up their interpretative views. Which would place them squarely under the umbrella of what is called Christian.

This is a none started for me - the object is to limit the reach of the government in religious affairs.... So, if you would like to discuss historical points of how religion has been used to oppress and confound the people or of how the declarations of Holy Wars have grown to genocidal proportions or even if you wish to discuss how Kings and Popes degreed themselves to be God on Earth. That would make the discussion particle and useful to broaden the necessity of liberty and freedom.

However, if this is just for the purpose of endless bickering over the superiority of divergent beliefs; You may as well argue the need for a nationally established religion (or lack there of), and the whole fundamental understanding of liberty becomes null & void.

The guy asked a simple

The guy asked a simple question. Why don't you give a direct answer instead of making supositions that lead nowhere? His question was very clear to me.

"A centralized government is no less corrupt than a centralized church."
- Brent R.

I did answer, both Diest and

I did answer, both Deist and Unitarians are Christian. They may alter the Biblical interpretation but it is the Bible they reference.

First we need to define

First we need to define Christian! what is a Christian in your eyes!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

fair enough

Fortune Favors the Bold

although most deists doubt the divinity of the person of christ, a central tenet of christianity

Fortune Favors the Bold


It's already null and void. Has been from the get go.

Please, explain.... Might

Please, explain....

Might makes right, kill or be killed, dominion or subjugation are the pinnacles and ultimate purpose that define human existence??

my post didn't register

Fortune Favors the Bold

I said-

The founding fathers were a diverse group. Adams was a Christian. Paine certainly not. Some, like Washington, were more ambiguous. The differing currents of political thought, and the passion with which they were pursued at the beginning of the republic, have shaped the development of the country by providing foundations that check each other and provide a diverse well that subsequent generations can draw from.

Fortune Favors the Bold

Jefferson was not...

He had an interesting quote:

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies." - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Dr. Woods)

What about the Masons and the Templars?

They are cults too just like Christianity and Islam

For Freedom!

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

The lack of

true history. History has been manipulated by the enlightened ones. They control it. Pretty brillant huh? You are right, this country was not founded on christian beliefs. In God we trust? Which God? The God of Abraham? They don't make that too clear, now do they? They conned us with the CONstitution and they have been doing it ever since. Lies to keep us enslaved.


that's because my God can beat up your God and most people don't bother to do any independent research anyway. They will believe anything they are told. Ask a Muslim, he'll say he is right. Ask a Christian, he'll say he is right. etc etc etc