Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
Submitted by xxx-by_request on Wed, 01/07/2009 - 02:37
A perfect storm is developing for Second Amendment opponents that could allow President-elect Barack Obama's choice for attorney general – Eric Holder – to "ban guns at will" despite the 2008 affirmation from the U.S. Supreme Court that U.S. citizens have a right to bear arms.
Here is the link to the story.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=8...
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Committees of Safety - Rebirth of Constitutional State Militias
The Founding Fathers recognized that in the worst of circumstances, their freedom was ultimately backed by their own ability to resist against tyrannical force.
They felt the 2nd Amendment SO important, that it was the ONLY of the Constitutional Amendments (and Bill of Rights), which explains WHY it is "necessary".
"a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Note that during Colonial times, "a well regulated militia" was NOT a formal Army or National Guard - those were known as "regulars", and not militia.
Dr Edwin Vieira, a constitutional lawyer (who has argued 4 times SCOTUS, winning 3), and was a Speaker with Dr Paul at the Boston TEa Party, has written several articles on the "Commitees of Safety", as a movement to return to a peaceful re-organization of State Militias, to include law enforcement AND free citizenry, as opposed to an oppressive Federal "Homeland Security" black-booted force.
http://www.newswithviews....
Pending economic collapse is an easy catalyst to a paramilitarized state, unless action is taken to push the movement of "Commitees of Safety" beforehand.
http://www.newswithviews....
Here is the Committees of Safety website:
http://www.committeesofsa...
Time is short. This is real government "of and by" the people, not heavy-handed federalism, and needs to be implemented ASAP.
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If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison
Give Me Freedom
If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison
If We Have Racism We Will Not Have Freedom.
If We Have No Racism We Can Have Freedom
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After all these posts....
They should try!
Would love to see them get their asses handed to them!
[blockquote] " the right of
I believe there is very little chance of anyone successfully banning guns "at will."
Consider that Montana hinted at secession over the D.C. handgun case that was in front of the Supreme Court last year. The case where they were trying to say that the right to bear arms was collective and not an individual right. Montana's position was that it would be in breach of the contract which made Montana a state or something like that. 35 or so states filed some sort of legal docs in support of the individual right to keep and bear arms in regards to that lawsuit.
If the fed does actually ban guns, then that Russian profession may end up being right...
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Cover your neighbors..
Shoot them in the back if you see them raiding next door.
Could you imagine what would it be like if just a few neighboring houses opened fire on the SWAT before they even made it into the house?
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I can see this happening real soon
Give Me Freedom
If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison
Give Me Freedom
If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison
If We Have Racism We Will Not Have Freedom.
If We Have No Racism We Can Have Freedom
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Bury 'em.
If you are not prepared to out-gun authorities who arrive at your house at 2:30 AM with a search warrant for your firearms, take steps to guarantee that at least one of your weapons is well beyond their reach. This can be done by enclosing the gun and ammo in a sealed Mylar bag along with O2 absorbers and placed inside a sealed section of large-diameter PVC pipe that is buried off site.
New Hampshire and Ecuador
Go ahead
Try and take it bitches!
You can have my ammo too!
Just try and catch it at 2700fps
only cowards need be concerned about this
i have decided to ignore politicians. and since i've done that they no longer piss me off. so let Heinrich Himmler aka Eric Holder come up with all the legislation his cold heart desires. only the cowards will due as it says
No matter who you vote for, the government always gets in - Bill Hicks
Never friggin happen
without a revolution : )
Political suicide.
The Republicans would absolutely, positively CRUSH the Democrats at the polls in 2010 or 2012 if the Obama Administration went after guns. It would be the fastest imaginable revival of the post-Bush GOP you could ever conceive.
My guess is this is some "what if" martial law scheme.
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I think that's pretty accurate. The GOP takeover in the 90s
was due in large part, according to one William Jefferson Clinton, to attempts by the democrats to institute gun ownership restrictions.
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I see this as nothing less
I see this as nothing less then a declaration of war!
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Only dead fish go with the flow...
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
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Give Me Freedom
If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison
Give Me Freedom
If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison
If We Have Racism We Will Not Have Freedom.
If We Have No Racism We Can Have Freedom
Quoted By: GIVE ME FREEDOM
Nothing suprises me after reading...
the real History of FDR and the Great Depression. What did suprised me, was there wasn't a Revolution then. Giving me little hope for one in the future. It seems America was just happy to take it then, as we seemed poised to take it now.To my friend who keeps posting the http://www.uaff.us/ site. They are broke, asking for donations, have no search method for a local militia in my area, and seem to be selling survival gear. I am guessing sales aren't too good, because they are asking for donations on the front page next to their "Sorry we can't afford to update the site" message. Maybe someone here can provide a better resource for the forum.
There was a revolution brewing
but the federal government managed to get us into war to redirect peoples anger away from the federal government and toward the infamous foreign enemy.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley
Good smokescreen,
"We are broke, we can't afford to buy weapons, train, hold meetings, etc. Nothing to see here, move on."
New Hampshire and Ecuador
Don't you worry... Obama believes in the 2nd Amendment
"I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right." -Decider/Dear Leader-elect, Barack H. Obama
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"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained." -Mahatma Gandhi
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
So, in effect, Obama is
So, in effect, Obama is saying that state or local governments can "constrain" various rights within the Bill of Rights? What does he think about the freedom of speech? State and local governments can constrain that as well?
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I hope he does...
The more the federal government acts lawlessly, the sooner the public will respond to enforce the rule of law.
I continue to wonder just how much more lawlessly the
government has to act before such a tipping point is reached. During the economic/legal/regulatory period in the late 70s, I actually thought that there was at least an even chance of a general revolt taking place during that period. There was considerable growth during that period in the so-called tax-revolt movement that saw Reagan come into office and wind up giving us the TEFRA law along with some improvements in the marginal tax rates. One recalls Prop. 13 in California during that time, but it did not grow into a general revolt against government's lawlessness, theft and the general trend in the growth of its powers, as well as its deficits.
Frequent posts on this forum point to stories and videos that document absurd usurpations (and applications) of powers by federal and state governments, as well as their unelected minions. Evidently, this camel has a mighty strong back because I have yet to see the government act that will (or has) constituted the straw which will break that back. It leaves me with a less-than-confident attitude that the general population (I do not speak of the members of this forum) will suddenly dig in their heels and actually fight back in a manner that would risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, so to speak.
Could it happen? Sure it could. But I just cannot put my finger on the government act that will constitute the spark to set such a revolt on fire. We all know of many government acts which should have constituted such a flash point, but they have come and gone with not much more than a battle of talking heads. I am reminded that, as of this most recent election, 90+% of Congress is being sent back to Washington, D.C......as usual.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
My thoughts exactly
The problem is that too many are still sleeping and waiting for thier Stimulus check.
It can't be...can it?
It can't be...can it?
I agree
That will be the flash point. I think people are getting pretty sick of being bullied around by the government and you have to draw the line somewhere.
Let it be the second amendment.
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
Ditto
My own view is that ultimately there will be civil conflict. When the government creates incentive people will respond. The incentive they are creating is poverty for the many and wealth for the privileged few. I think they probably know that and are fearful.
If a civil conflict does come, then I don't think it would be traditional battlefields. It certainly would look more like what we see in Iraq where the rebels employ gorilla tactics like sniping, roadside bombs, assassinations, and small raids. So the type of weapons the present government seeks to ban (assault weapons) are not the type that rebels would initially need in large numbers anyway. So other than giving themselves the illusion of safety from an angry, rebellious public, what do the politicians think they will gain by their own assault on the 2nd amendment.
Seems to me that these clowns in DC just don't understand blowback in the Middle East or here at home.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley
As I was recently told...
we should be considering the tactics of guerillas rather than those of gorillas. I must admit that throwing poop is an attractive option...
Throwing Poop at the government..
..Could arguably be called "self-defense".
Fighting fire with fire.
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Good Answer.
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Prior to seizure, it is deemed necessary to put into place a
mechanism whereby the influx of firearms, into the hands of private citizens, can be reduced and finally eliminated, except for those entities that are instruments of the state. The 2nd amendment has been under attack for a long time and that attack is going to continue. Although the recent SCOTUS decision, on the D.C. law, pointed out that the right to defend one's life was fundamental to human existence, there were a great many qualifiers also set forth in that decision and I have no doubt that the state will make every effort to exploit them to the maximum extent possible.
I tend to agree with Andrew Napolitano's notion that, to an alarmingly large extent, we have become a nation of sheep.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
Tell anyone you're a gun
Tell anyone you're a gun owner and they look at you like you just murdered someone. I recently made a gun purchase and told one of my friends and she remarks "I didn't know you were that type of person."
That just gives you an idea of how blind people are.
http://federalfallacy.com
http://federalfallacy.com
What state do you live in?
Nobody down here in Texas would react that way.
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