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Dale in Oklahoma says goodbye to the Anti-God Troll Patrol

Never thought I would say it, but I'm done here. What was once a forum for people to discuss our liberties and freedoms in this country has now turned into an out of control 4th grade classroom.

No longer is it liberty and freedom for all that we seek, but it is a fight to see who can distract from the true test at hand. My Faith shapes who I am, how I believe, and why I was with you here to fight side by side. But somewhere down the line it became important for you to explain to me over and over and over and over..that according to your "superior intelligence" and a few websites and books...there is no god, and I am a fool among many countless other names for believing and living for my God.

There are many of my Christian brothers and sisters who have been preparing for the days to come for many years, and I feel that I am better off with their fight. What was once a very enjoyable and stimulating experience here on the DP has turned into an experience that I no longer look forward to. It isn't about what we can do to help bring about liberties and freedom, it is about putting our own personal belief systems or non-belief systems onto everyone else around us.

I'm sick and tired of asking people to be respectful of other peoples views and beliefs, only to hear how we "Christians" push our beliefs on people, as if posting a simple verse about an issue is beating someone over the head with a Bible. I have never condemned anyone or judged anyone for not believing the way I do, but I have prayed for a good many people on this website.

I am glad that the DP exist for like minded people, but in the end it will be the "Christians" they will come for because it will be us that band together, pull our children out of the beasts schools, depend on God, and depend on our labors and our neighbors to survive the crisis that is to come. I can't see going into this kind of fight side by side with people who care more about the fact that I believe in God, than they do my desire for liberty and freedom. Those are the people who will turn you over for 30 pieces of silver.

Honestly I didn't think this would ever happen to me, but the past two or three days I just stayed away from the DP and worked on my land and barn...I can't believe how good I feel, and how much thinking and planning can be done when you don't have to waste your time reading post after post of personal attacks because of personal differences. It is weird too, because this is supposedly a gathering place for people geared towards acceptance of others. Either way, I'm not wasting my time with the "Trolls" who have redirected the efforts of this gathering place.

One of Ron Pauls great lessons was to treat EVERYONE as an individual, and not in groups. I am sick and tired of hearing HOW Christians think, WHAT Christians do, WHAT Christians believe, and on and on and on. There isn't one person on this website who can tell me or anyone else how we believe or what we personally think. Only God knows our hearts and minds, and only God knows what is to come and how all will be judged. That is not up to me, and in fact my judgment of others is forbidden. I don't require a title, all I need is my Bible. On the other hand there have been some very good discussions regarding religion and Faith, when the right players were involved. Unfortunately the most vocal people are also the most immature people who obviously don't understand what exactly we WERE trying to accomplish on the DP. Their goals of feeling superior clouded their eyes and have blinded this small part of the revolution.

I wish everyone here the best of luck, and perhaps some day when we are again concerned with basic liberties and freedoms, we will meet again.

Dale in Oklahoma

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Thank you Dale for offering yourself to this huge issue.

People forget that our founders spoke 'philosophically' not religiously. They respected the 'secular' realm and thoughtfully conveyed their ideas on freedom or whether or not a law was 'universally moral', in philosophic terms that could easily 'relax' the citizens because what they said was completely in harmony with 'Biblical' tenets and inculcations, yet they clearly stayed away as much as possible from 'religiousity' in the public realm because they knew all too well that very few people could agree with how scripture was being interpreted.

This is still a 'battle ground' that 'divides' our country. Philosophy is so rarely taught anymore and yet it is the 'essence' of communication vis a vis the public realm of true statesmanship, justice and legislature.

Religion is a 'private' practice that may serve to open up within a human being their faculties of discernment in the inner, private realms of moral questioning and guidance as to how we shall make the best use of our 'free wills'.

Dr. Ron Paul is a beautiful example of a statesman who is 'philosophical' in his speech because he focuses and communicates on 'essentials'.

This is such a great opportunity to speak about this issue and I would like to thank Dale for offering himself as an example of how 'Christians' can learn to 'translate' what is in their hearts into the 'secular' world rich in diversity. Never give up on this practice. We can all benefit from this.

I would be interested in what Dale had to say about all this now that this 'issue' has been brought up.

Try this on...

There is no truth, only a place to stand. I respect Dale's stand for his beliefs as well as others who differ. All the best Dale!

Well have a good trip Dale

but you never really leave DP, you just take a vacation instead.

And being a free-thinking Christian I respect your right to believe as you see fit.

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul

Good Post!

In Christ,
Dave

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So go already ...

The thread is long.
The party's over.
Bon Voyage, Dale!
(May we meet again in a better world.)
(Then again, maybe not...)

I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine

you and your 11 week old

you and your 11 week old troll membership suck! what government agency do you get your check from!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"what government agency do you get your check from!"

should be

"What government agency do you get your check from?"

And you're a crackpot. Straight up.

CHA-CHING!

one thing about me

one thing about me joehomo..... i have been here for 1 year 22 weeks.. voted for Ron Paul in 88' try to cover your tracks a little better!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

the only thing off track was

the only thing off track was your comment to dale!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Sierra, congratulations for being here for a year and half.

Sorry, but when I read a blog, it has nothing to do with 'seniority' but more to do with the 'quality' of what someone is trying to say! I think you may be 'off track' here.

Well let's just break out the homosexual slurs shall we?

You know some say that homophobia is simply a result of subconciously repressed desires...

CHA-CHING!

ahh I take it you think

ahh I take it you think homosexuality is good??

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

whatever you say mr 12 week

whatever you say mr 12 week 2 day paid government statist blogger! your but buddy there is also a 11 week member here! what a joke you people are!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

I also voted for Ron Paul in '88

Now we have something in common.
Read up on some of my old posts before developing suspicions. (You will still develop suspicions, but they won't be about gov't paychecks.) And be proud of who you are! Straight up.

I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine

you voted for Paul in 88?

you voted for Paul in 88? so why only the 11 week membership here?
or did you just switch names like some of the other paid bloggers who get caught!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

I voted for Bo Gritz in 92

For Freedom!

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

I command you to use proper english.

Now do what I say.

CHA-CHING!

you have knee pads joehomo??

you have knee pads joehomo?? now do what I SAY!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

I didn't say that I would do whatever you told me to.

You said that you would do whatever I told you to.

CHA-CHING!

Read your last

paragragh over and give it some thought...... Now get that log out of your eye and realise the religion issues here go both ways. Hey I really get it from churchgoers because I believe in God but not religion. Religion is dangerous IMO and the bible is either misinterpreted or contardictory to the point of being dangerous. It seems obvious to me it was written by man and we know it has been handed down verbally for many years before it was written and it has been translated from many different languages. How many versions are there? Read your bible but pray to God to give you the meaning he wants you to get from it. I don't mean any offense to you at all but if what I say or what anyone says tests your faith to the point of leaving you better question YOUR faith not others beliefs. We are all brothers and sisters wether our relationships or lack there of with God are the same. Hate to see you go but if you are the type that thinks we need to protect Isreal because of a bible story I won't miss you much. We will all need more than just prayer to get us through the times we are facing.

Hey Dale.... we all have to

Hey Dale.... we all have to take a break once in a while. I do occasionally just to regain some perspective.... the DP is intense, and not for the faint of heart. You're a good man Dale, and even though I don't share your Christian beliefs, I do believe in something out there that I choose to call "God". Religion is an emotionally charged issue, and I hate to see you go because of any disputes over personal matters of that ilk. We are all on a journey and learn as we go. I wish you all the best, and bet you'll be back soon. Take care and don't forget that no matter what our differences, we all want and deserve the freedom that our country USED to stand for.

Regards,

Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
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Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

How strong is your faith

This movement seems to weed out the weak. Look at them run.

AmericanFirst

Utterly disrespectful.

Allow people their beliefs and choices. That's what liberty is all about.

Confused

What are you talking about? Are you referring to my post?

AmericanFirst

See ya!

So much for your christian "forgiveness"! LOL I'm not an anti-god troll...religion is what makes me sick. Didn't any of you learn anything from Zeitgeist? What they say about "the church" is true...it is the root of all evil and the control of mankind through fear and intimidation. God may exist...and that's just fine...it takes FAITH to believe that...and faith is something that many of have. Why should the opinions of others (including me) sway your faith? What a freakin' joke....apparently, Dale doesn't have true faith as he is so easily swayed into questioning it. Opinions and bellybuttons...we all got em...I say: Believe in God if you feel that's right for you...just tell "the church" the suck eggs and don't give a single dime or a single minute to ANY OF THEM!!! Your faith should come from within...do it at home, with your families...God will hear you just the same. You don't need to do it seated next to some lying /cheating bastard in a new suit.

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BC
'No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.'
-- Samuel Adams (letter to James Warren, 4 November 1775)

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

bcfast, did you ever think that maybe this documentary,

Zeitgeist is a propaganda tool to influence people away from God and destroy what is left of 'good' church communities that are NOT infiltrated by covert zealots?

I am not a church goer but I certainly would not wish to keep anyone from where their souls draw them for their personal experiences.

One does not 'believe' in God by faith, although people are strangely taught this fallacy.

As far as I can tell, God is self evident empirically as you look around you at all the life forms and intelligences, and the stars, and galaxies, and suns.

Why would anyone have to have 'faith' in God or a higher intelligence that through spiritual science, that we are still ignorant of, has created all these things to marvel at and experience?

It would seem as if what you see around you with your own eyes is 'not real'? How strange is this?

Great Samuel Adams quote, bc

They should print it on the label of every bottle of Sam Adams beer.

I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine

His faith is not swayed...

His faith is not swayed...

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Well said Dale. May God

Well said Dale. May God bless you.