Interesting topic. Just wondering what thoughts you might have on this subject. Does anyone know if it has ever been tried? I mean, look at the mess we have now. How can it be any worse?
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The beauty of anarchy is
The beauty of anarchy is that God's power is within man, thus man has the God-given ability to learn how to govern himself. It is not a negative or evil idea whatsoever.
Those who promote collectivism, any form, are denying God by denying man's potential to exist. (I refer to God in the deistic sense.)
People would have to change exponentially on a mass level for anarchy to work. I think it's impractical but it is very important to understand what the reasoning behind it is.
No - Anarchy inevitably leads to dictatorships
Anarchy inevitably leads to dictatorships watch this. It is discussed
Overview of America
http://tinyurl.com/2syurf
Sure show us a
Film of an organization funded by bankers. They want us to be free right?
Ummmm
Helloooooo oo ooo ooo
That's complete BS! Provide
That's complete BS! Provide some evidence? According to History republics seem to lead to dictatorships. Rome, the German Wiemar Republic, etc.
The ancient Celts postive anarchic system lasted a thousand years with maximum freedom and justice by the free market and was quite sophisticated.
http://www.libertarian.ie/historical_cases.html
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If you have ten minutes to spare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE
I've researched the ancient Celts. I wouldn't call them "free" in the sense I would like to be free.
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Sure I have ten minutes..
Sure I have ten minutes.. Did you read the link I posted above? Are you disputing the findings in Murray Rothbard's book "For a New Liberty", and Joseph R. Pedens book "Property Rights in Celtic Irish Law?
Sounds much like the freedom I would prefer.
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Good luck with that.
Maybe we can discuss anarchy further when we get our constitutional republic back.
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WTF? You asked me if I had
WTF? You asked me if I had ten minutes and said you had studied the ancient Celts then you answer like this. Did you want me to watch the JBS video? Was that your point?... Sigh. I have already seen it a couple of times.
I don't need to discuss working to get the republic back I have been in the trenches for 20 + years and the last two years quite extensively discussion is for internet commandos, action is for patriots.
We are not going to get the republic back it's crumbling because the people are uneducated and ignorant so it's time to prepare for the anarchy that is headed our way. It can be positive or negative depending on how we act.
If you want to keep your head in the clouds with visions of grandeur for a society that is a mere corps and won't sustain us much longer be my guest but next time say what you mean instead of trying to bait and switch me into a watching a video I have already seen and on a topic and I have probably studied far more then you and many others!
holy crap I did not realize thier were so many sheep here who think they understand freedom... Big sigh! This is just further proof we will never get our freedom back because most people don't even seem to understand what it is...
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What does the Joker from the
What does the Joker from the Dark Knight think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGwHUr0b4yE
Positive anarchy yes. Mutual
Positive anarchy yes. Mutual respect, voluntary cooperation Why not? It worked in ancient Ireland for centuries.
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Anarchy is an illusion, as
Anarchy is an illusion, as is the idea of complete freedom to do anything without consequence. Anarchy leads to a power struggle, which leads to the cycle of power struggles and revolutions that we have managed to remain locked in since all of human history. If you truly believe you are free, just try it. You'll discover the limits of freedom real quick.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
No,
Anarchy is the rinse before the spin.
Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.
Tried Everything Else
might be a last resort
LOL
That's where Im at!
Anarchy..
I don't believe Anarchy could last. Mankind wants to defend his property, which is a logical requirement of survival. As an extension of that desire, people form an alliance to protect their collective property and individual safety. This alliance typically takes the form of what we would call a "government" and is a logical reaction of individual human desires and the social contract.
The problems comes when people expect government to do more than protect them, and as it grows its largess is financed by plundering the property of its citizens to a greater degree than it protects it, and violating safety and freedom rather than guaranteeing it. The system becomes more of a tyranny, which is universally imposed rather than a system that is collectively desired.
I don't think Anarachy would "work", it could be a temporary result should the existing collective government fail us. It's possible our current governments could fail us and descend into true tyranny. At that point, anarchy would likely be the result of the collapse of that tyranny, but anarchy will not last for long, it will be suppressed or evolve into another collective.
Heck!
You can't defend it NOW!!! Put anarchy in place and see how quick things self correct! You wouldn't have crime like you do now!
Very tough question ...
Theoretically (and ironically I might add), anarchy is the only way to ensure freedom.
However, such a goal is like trying to achieve the speed of light or grasping the meaning of infinity or defining and grasping the full concept of an all knowing mystical GOD.
Add to that the infinitely different actions brought on by human behavior, innate and learned.
Assume today that all governments disappeared. Tomorrow some governments will be established.
In reality the only conceivably achievable goal would be to re-establish the libertarian views on private property, relegate all taxes as theft, and as a logical extension of that, let us use what ever means of exchange we choose.
That, in my opinion, is true freedom.
Let a government, whether it be local, state, or larger, incorporate and let them compete in the market like the rest of us on a level playing field. If they wish to seek revenue for expenditures then let them find a legitimate way to do this.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Against me?
The non-aggression axiom states - "no one may initiate force, or the threat of force, against another person or their property."
Do you support the initiation of force against me or my property if I don't want to participate in the type of government that you advocate?
LimeLemon -- I agree with you
I want a free-society too. I'm an anarchist at heart (in the greek sense of the word).
We live in what I argue is a 7% Anarchist Society -- (only 7% free from taxation).
Ron Paul advocates a Minarchist Society as a "transition" from where we are.
The Minarchist Society I've come up with is a 93% Anarchist Society (7% sales tax to keep advanced weaponry out of the hands of the only people who could afford to buy them, "wealth banking clan -- who after a transition is left without power, short of hidden wealth). In that 7% there is 3% national tax to cover foreign debt -- this is temporary. The other 86% tax is removed from gov't authority.
I can explain how the federal and state gov'ts function in this 93% Free-Society vs the 7% Free-Society we have now.
Worst thing is other countries are less than 7% free.
It reminds me of the statement "we only use 10% of our mental capacity" -- maybe capacity is limited by tax-slavery?
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
other initiations of force of government
You're only taking taxation into account.
What about the other initiations of force, like forcing us to use Federal Reserve Notes by eliminating competing currencies via the legal tender laws. And all the laws and regulations which threaten force if we don't comply.
LimeLemon
I didn't want to go into all of it in one post.
Here it is -- I'll try to keep it brief.
93% Free-Society (Minimal State Gov't - Minarchism - Minimal Anarchism)
1) Central Gov't Oversees Navy (that's it) -- A Team hired for one-term; a Meritocracy. Hired by a revolving group of philosophical antagonists, weaponologists, accountants, entrepreneurs etc etc. The "Team" competes for the bid -- their b-plan essentially. They are paid 100% by an incentive rubric: Weapons Advancement, Cost Cutting, Efficiency Gains, etc etc. One Term in Office. This Meritocracy has ZERO Regulatory Power, ZERO Taxing Authority, ZERO War Declaration Powers, and ZERO Currency Control. The Navy must ONLY patrol our Waters.
2) State Gov't Oversees Air and Army Guard (that's it) -- Same Meritocracy -- Same Powers -- One-Term -- Same Pay. Only guard the state borders. Army and Airforce are the "invasion" forces -- by bringing all troops home and dispursing all military arsenal to border states first then toward the interior -- there is little chance of collusion and thus war.
Essentially there would be Free-Market-Anarchy -- Everything else is in the private sector. Including competing currencies.
I hope that is clearer and understandable.
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
nice scenario
I can imagine how high the standard of living would be after only 20 years.
I want what Judge Napolitano wants
A government that stays within the confines of the constitution.
It's the people who let this get out of hand. Government had a boss, but now they act as the boss because we the people did not stand up for our rights or the constitution, and we are left with political opportunists who grasp at power every chance they get because we the people as a group are too stupid to actually do something about it.
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Sambachico
Sometimes I refer to us as "We the Abdicators" and I agree with your sentiment on this.
I'm trying to come up with concise yet potent ways of expressing it -- almost like a logical formula.
Can you follow the leaps in logic?
1) Our Daily-Dollar-Vote (We the People)
------Abdicate said vote to Corporatist who Lobby to have their inefficiencies subsidized OR to get tax breaks (on revenue from year before) with taxes being rolled into pricing schema consumers pay 100% of it -- so this is tax-break is really tax-profit).
2) Congress Abdicates to Big Bankers and President ("senior politicians" control party war chest and special committee seats; thus they control the votes of "junior politicians") -- Answer: Vote-out-the-Incumbent
3) Big Bankers Controll Corporatist and Citizen Abdicators
-----Corporatist by Fiat Credit and control of Congress
-----Citizens by asset leverage: Threat of Home Theft, Credit Score, Wage Theft, other Big Assets, but mostly through corporate taxation - penalties - fines - regulation. The latter is what steals most of our wages.
4) Corporatist Revenue Stream: 1) Consumers-who-Purchase, 2) Consumers-who-Invest, and 3) Consumers-who-Abdicate to Gov't (Gov't Subsidizes: Bailouts - Tax-Profits - Fiat Credit - Regulatory Advantages
Answers: 1) Vote-out-the-Incumbent - 2) Buy Locally Owned (product and services), 3) Buy Organic and Local (where possible), 4) Get Rid of Leveraged Power (until we are free) and start renting and leasing (own nothing). Ownership in a Corporatist-Banking Society is slavery -- Ownership in a Free-Society is Liberating.
Least Lobbied and fastest growing industry -- 10,000 per year growth in Small Organic Farming!
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
Id like to know who deleted my FORUM post
why was it deleted?OFFENSIVE?
"Stop paying lip service to the Constitution,and OBEY IT!"-Ron Paul
Good thread, too.
I got snipped as well in the process--someone took out what I thought was one of my own better posts, discussing secession.
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a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr
Ask Michael.
If it had "F's" and "B's" in it then you've probably found your answer.
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If so, the dirty words only should have been moderated.
That's against Michael's policy---to delete a whole thread because someone is cursing.
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