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If we
If we had more than 1 (soon to be 2!) employees, we'd be sending this out.
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I can't imagine that his employees would grasp that.
His employees are professional civil engineers.
They "get it," as Joe Biden might say.
http://www.crowley-crisp.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx
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He makes good points, but....
The question is this, what hurts the economy more, a business owner who makes a million a year or 500 workers struggling to make ends meet getting hit with a 2-4% tax increase? If the business is profitable then certainly a 2-4% increase will not cause them to close their doors, but the worker can be taxed to death. Business owners need to realize that their workers are no more supportive of taxes than they are, but the truth is that he who makes the million will not have to make the quality of life change the workers may have to in order to keep their house and/or feed their kids. The reason he employs 20 people is that he cannot make his large salary working by himself, so to blame those that have made him wealthy is ridiculous and really makes no sense. In the movie The Edge, Anthony Hopkins says it best when he states "never feel sorry for a man that own his own plane", or in this case Mercedes." Maybe if he sold the Benz and bought a more reasonably priced car he wouldn’t feel the tax hike at all, where his workers might not be able to buy school clothes for their kids. It is not the workers fault that the federal government steals from us all, so why not use some of that wealth lobbying for a candidate that wants to end taxes all together? Like Ron Paul ...
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Duuuuhh..
What are you doing here? Isn't the TV calling you?
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blounttruth, WOW, you sure missed his point!
Everything this businessman stated in his letter is exactly what Ron Paul is advocating.
Your comments make me wonder what part of Ron Paul you really support. For example, you stated;
"Maybe if he sold the Benz and bought a more reasonably priced car he wouldn’t feel the tax hike at all, where his workers might not be able to buy school clothes for their kids. It is not the workers fault that the federal government steals from us all, so why not use some of that wealth lobbying for a candidate that wants to end taxes all together? Like Ron Paul ... "
I guarantee you this businessman is a Ron Pauler. It's his employees who more than likely are not, and he is warning them to choose their elected officials carefully. What part of his letter did you miss?
By the way this businessman is running an engineering company, and is not paying minimum wages, but instead more than likely starting salaries of $60-70,000.00 plus per year. So save the bullshit about his employees not being able to afford school cloths for their kids for your self.
The largest groups of liberals in this country today, are the college educated individuals making 50-100,000 per year.
You either support Ron Paul or you don’t!
hjschaapman
The Winds of Change!
Guess what? This boss is hiring right now -- several openings.
If you'd like to work for this boss, Michael A. Crowley of Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc., he's hiring right now:
"We are seeking several degreed civil engineers (PE or EI) with experience in land development design & permitting. Successful candidate will have 1-3 years experience in storm drainage, storm water management, erosion control, roadway, water & sewer.
AutoCad experience is preferred."
http://www.crowley-crisp.com/Careers/tabid/57/Default.aspx
He isn't downsizing his civil engineering corporation, he's expanding it. The business is bigger than this letter makes it sound, with the actual intensive physical labor required to complete civil engineering projects apparently being outsourced or subcontracted:
"Our services range from land planning to complex civil engineering services and water and wastewater facility planning.
Our engineers are licensed in North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Tennessee, Maryland, Maine, Arkansas and Trinidad & Tobago.
Michael A. Crowley, PC was formed in 2000 by Michael A. Crowley, PE. As the firm grew, Crowley & Associates, Inc. was incorporated in 2001.
In April of 2007, Jeff Crisp, PE became part-owner and Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc. was formed."
http://www.crowley-crisp.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx
As of June of 2008, Crowley's corporation had at least ten active civil engineering projects underway, including "Mellow Mushroom," "Wake Forest Town Hall," "Corporate Chaplains," and "Heritage Professional Park West," plus an additional 29 commercial and non-residential projects "under review":
http://www.wakeforestnc.gov/client_resources/residents/plann...
That doesn't include any of their out-of-state or Caribbean contracts.
Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc., is doing just fine, and so is Michael A. Crowley, Professional Engineer and CEO.
I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine
Ha!
I live not to far from this place.. Heard of the last name, but not of the business. Good letter though
Good read
So read it.
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Wow
This guy has his head screwed on straight.
"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo
"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo
Yikes
I can respect a man who is forthright and upfront... However, I wish I could get a little better handle on what inspired the e-mail in the first place.
I agree with most of what he had to say, the bias about single Mothers was misdirected, although contempt for forced theft and redistribution (welfare) certainly is not. I diverge completely from his pontification about how taxes necessitate the money supply.
I’m glad he spoke his mind - expressed the importance of his sacrifice, time, labor, effort and dedication. I do hope the people in his employ reciprocated their perspectives.
Single mothers
I agree with everything he wrote. I'm sick and tired of people (moms and dads) having babies they can't afford and expecting you and me to pay for them! If they can't afford to pay for their kids upbringing they shouldn't be having any. I'm sick of people being irresponsible, then pushing the responsibility for their kids on the rest of us.
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Yeah, you need to replace
Yeah, you need to replace the word irresponsible with irrational. You are thinking about all this within a sense of rationality. We are not always rational. We are animals. We are irrational just as well. They have the babies for the same reason they get pregnant: they are screwed up in the head.
When he commented on single
When he commented on single mothers didn't he write something about single mothers who just had their fourth child sitting home waiting for their next welfare check? The point is probably that anyone who cannot provide for the kids they already have should not be having more.
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business owner
I am a business owner and more and more I have had similar thoughts to Mr. Crowley. I plan to sell my business rather than dissolve it though. Perhaps his employees could buy the business.
My taxes on the state and local level are going up again in '09 and I've had enough. I'm downsizing my whole life - my income and my spending. As Mr. Crowley points out, this is not good for the economy, but it will be good for me.
He isn't dissolving his business, he's expanding his business.
Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc., is a professional civil engineering firm with so many projects pending that they are currently recruiting more civil engineers.
They are hiring now:
http://www.crowley-crisp.com/Careers/tabid/57/Default.aspx
I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine
Good read
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Hard work.
versus Laziness?
I'm wondering how much of my public school education has prompted me to stifle myself enough from being this man... or could it be the Fluoride?
Well when lobbyist pay and those elected make the policy they have to listen to those who padded their pockets..
To me I think it's more of a war on the Middle Class..
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I read this lettler
before it appears they have changed it a little. Before it mentioned the word LIBERAL that seems to have disappeared. I agree with the article but it wants to blame the WRONG people. He should be follow the money and WHO finances the candidates, and it's not welfare moms.
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quiltingsando, I totally disagree with you, he's blaming the
right culprits regarding the mess is this country today, the VOTERS
The responsible parties for the entire mess we currently have in this country is NOT the Republican Party, nor the Democratic Party, it’s the voters in this country who keep electing these pieces of shit to office in the first place.
As far as I'm concerned, this employer is putting the responsibility to the country's current mess where is belongs, THE VOTERS.
hjschaapman
The Winds of Change!
Exactly - the business community has been shoring up the system
Now the system they've upheld turns around and sinks its fangs into them -- boasting, "You knew I was a snake!"
I call that karma, and I don't hear a note of thankfulness in this guy's voice for the fact that he's had a big slice of the pie to enjoy for a long time, and the wealth he has now assures that he will suffer far less than many others during hard times.
In my imagination, I see him writing this letter, clicking away on his laptop while sipping champagne on his yacht -- "the Arruba" -- chuckling because he knows he inherited his money, but it amuses him to convince the peons that he's really a Horatio Alger story come to life, self-made, rags-to-riches, a moral inspiration to the poor, who are always to be blamed for their own poverty ...
That letter was written by a total phony baloney -- maybe not by the businessman whose name appears on it. Just my opinion.
I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine
Have you ever run a business?
I have and I'm pretty much agreeing with this guy. When you spend YEARS building a business with 18-hour work days, no weekends off, no vacations, no anything but work....Then just when it finally starts to get good...BAM! FedGov tells you that you now get to "help" all those crappy business "leaders" that ran their businesses into the ground.
I'm very angry about the bailouts and can absolutely see where this guy is coming from.
Banker bailouts stink, IRS is a collection agency for gangsters
The guy who wrote this letter, however, is no hard luck story -- his North Carolina corporation is expanding, and the civil engineers he employs don't need Boss Crowley -- Crowley needs them.
I've learned that Crowley, Crisp, and Associates, Inc., is actually hiring new engineers. They have plenty of work, and ties to the West Indies -- possibly for tax shelter purposes. (I've posted hyperlinks and a few details elsewhere in this thread.)
Consider this -- with a total of about 20 other engineers working for him, why is Crowley writing company letters like this at all? Don't 20 people all fit in one room? Don't they have meetings? Can't the CEO say everything he needs to say to his own employees, in fewer words, in person?
So why this letter?
Employees don't need the CEO telling them how to vote. Fellow citizens don't need a "boss" to influence their political decisions. None of us benefits from somebody else deciding to do all the thinking and analysis on our behalf. We have to do that for ourselves. The mere idea of a corporate CEO distributing such a letter shortly before Election Day impresses me as overly controlling (to put it mildly).
Apart from that, I object to the subtext of the letter. In a history book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me," I read a discussion about 'the American Dream' as it is described in children's history texts. The upshot was that the American Dream is a lie, has always been a lie, and the bosses and controllers of American society know it is a lie. The purpose of the myth of the American Dream is to keep poor people in their place by convincing them that they have only themselves to blame for their poverty, that poverty itself reveals the bad character, laziness, and low morals of the impoverished. Conversely, the American-dream myth instructs the poor to respect and admire the rich, to acknowledge the superiority of the rich, and to pay obeisance to the rich.
Many people have bought into the lie of the American Dream. Crowley's letter, to me, perpetuates that lie.
I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine
He wasn't blaming welfare
He wasn't blaming welfare mothers. He was making a point in regards to who stimulates the economy more.
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If digging a hole has greater value than raising a child
Then the economic book-keeping system is all messed up.
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Another rich guy claiming he's the victim
Gimme a break. His argument was overshadowed by an obnoxious tone of smug superiority, peppered with facetious threats -- sounds like cold-blooded hissing...
I hope he moves to the Caribbean ASAP.
I would hate to have a supercilious drama queen for a boss. Good riddance, bozo.
I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine