The Great New Jersey Deer Kill
ESSEX COUNTY, NJ - You can't have controlled starvation and population control if you have food walking around on the hoof. Essex County is trying to get out in front of this problem with a deer eradication program aimed at the South Mountain Reservation. Despite protests and outcry from environmental groups, the first part of the slaughter began in earnest last year. Several hundred deer were 'freed' from their earthly bondage by 'highly trained hunters'...
Supposedly, the Audobon Society is behind the plan all the way. Their reasoning? Deer eat the foliage that would otherwise attract the birds they would so rather be watching...
How about this, as a scenario.... you can't have a truly controlled population if you can take a walk to your local stand of timber and feed your family for the winter. True, not everyone is capable of hunting... maybe some are outright opposed to it. The problem is, the government is stepping in under the guise of a 'humane hunt' to lessen the deer population in the Reservation. They point to damage to ornamental shrubbery and other atrocities as justification for this slaughter. Deer are wandering too close to humans.... only bad things can happen from then on!
Please....
Now, I'm not a hunter but I have nothing against hunting. I also have no qualms against taking one of the "King's deer" if times get truly lean. However, when the county comes in for a period of two weeks, closes the reservation to all human traffic, and commences a full scale eradication of the remainder of that herd, I feel that there are other motives afoot.
If there is a eugenics campaign, this would certainly be a sign. If this is happening anywhere else around the country, I'd be interested in knowing. This is a very heavily populated area. There is no hunting allowed anywhere near here so the deer have truly blossomed. There are no natural predators left to manage them but they are in no danger of being over-populated. Food is plentiful and the herd only numbered somewhere in the low hundreds. Certainly, not a huge concern.
As my eyes have been pried open now, I see things that were not apparent before. Maybe I'm reading too much into this but in a matter of trust between the county of Essex and Mother Nature, I'll stand with Mother Nature.
It seems you have it backward...
..or I am completly confused. What we have is a State that has limited every individuals right to hunt and consume food from nature. They use, seasons, licenses, kill , limits ect.. They are now being less restrictive of your right to feed yourself from the land, and this is some how a bad thing ? I am against any Government regulation that limits my ability to feed myself for a few bucks. In college 2 deer from my mothers ranch would stock my fridge for the 2 semesters and then some. My cost...less than $5 bucks. I know many families that are dependent on what they can kill to get through the winters. So more people are given more access to a healthy and cheap food supply and this is some how a bad thing ? When you can come up w/ a better way of getting 250 lbs of red meat for the price of a bullet, let me know. I personally see no problem w/ less hunting restriction..same for fishing..good skills to have and the less restricted they better off we all are. Think of all the OTC demand that is lost when people like myself live off the land. Now that money is free for other types of consumption, like heating oil.
If you told me this was a program where deer where killed, their bodies stacked in mass graves and burned or buried, I might see your point. Instead I see an economic opportunity for many people in the area.
You entirely misunderstood...
Go to your last paragraph.
This is not 'permission' for the people to take free game. This is the state allowing 'expert hunters' (usually off-duty cops) to go into a protected area and wipe out the deer herd.
Some of the meat is given to 'homeless shelters' but I've heard they want nothing to do with it so, indeed it does get thrown into a pit and covered over.
During the slaughter, the area is closed to citizens. The county police barricade all entrances to the park. They kill deer for a period of ten days to two weeks and no citizen ever gets a taste.
Are you all starting to see the problem now?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Yes....
..I find this very troubling indeed. Thanks for setting me straight.
All the more reason to become a vegetarian! :-)
~Your perception becomes your reality~
~Your perception becomes your reality~
Funny
I thought just a day or so ago that they're too dang many of 'em around here and was wondering why they were not bein' killed. Go figure.
South-west Cincinnati suburb
A neighbor has reported them being on my property here eatin', the extended property if ya will, over a slope with trees. Oh...I've seen 'em jump the fence from time-to-time.
This property is the very end of the woods, or it could be said the very beginning. Depends which-a-way you're travellin' huh. : - )
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"Pocket Of A Clown"
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Bell-Curve..
The increase in the world’s population has followed a simple curve: from about 1.6 billion in 1900 to about 6.1 billion in 2000 A quick glance at a chart of world population growth, on a broader time scale, shows a line that runs almost horizontally for thousands of years, and then makes an almost vertical ascent as it approaches the year 2000.
Of all the humans who have ever lived on the Earth, most were born in the last 50 years. That is not just an amusing curiosity. It is a shocking fact that should have awakened humanity to the realization that something is dreadfully wrong.
What does this have to do with introduction of predators into the wild. Well let us assume we are the high rung of the food chain. What happens when free energy from oil declines.
I posted this about a week ago....
..and I feel the message was missed by many who read it.
I'm not asking what you think about the little baby deer, or what you think about hunting in general... I was trying to point out that the government is stepping in to reduce an untapped food source as we are heading into a depression.
What made me re-introduce this was reading another post about wolves being reintroduced in western Montana and the havoc they have brought to the local cattle companies and the hunting community as well.
While they cannot unleash wolves in northern NJ, they can annihilate the state's deer population with these 'controlled hunts' which are no more than slaughters.
As stated before, they are now proposing it in a neighboring town. The yuppies here are foolish enough to go for it for no other reason that to 'save a shrub'. How can people be so short sighted?
I like it here in the burbs because of the possibility of taking game should the economy take a further nosedive and things get really bad around here.
I read not too long ago of poaching in the UK due to the bad times. The same will happen here. So why is the government so interested in killing off all the deer?
Deer = buffalo. Citizens = Indians.
Figure it out.
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I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I hope the deer in New jersey are as mean!!
as this one watch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGGbozilko I say let the hunters help control the Deer hurds, then donate the venision to people. P.S I and most of my family are avid Hunters
Deer are enemies of the American way of life!
Okay maybe not, they're too stupid to oppose anything. But they are, here in Northern MN and many other parts of the country, an invasive species that breeds in large numbers and destroys natural habitat and spreads disease to livestock. Not long ago, MN was full of moose. Now there is only about 5,000 left. The whitetails came and ate the food and gave them chronic wasting disease and tuberculosis (just like they do to the cows) and spread EVERYWHERE even into suburban trashcans. I say kill 'em all.
Another one misses the point...
Let me make it clear... the government views the deer like they viewed the buffalo. They are an uncontrolled food source.
Killing buffalo = killing Indians
Starting to get it now?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
You might want to check some
You might want to check some stats on deer numbers killed on highways in each state. I traveled across middle of PA on trip to coast last year in November, peek breeding season. Counted 19 on the road, 'slaughtered' deer that is. Taking the upper turnpike route through NY coming home, counted only two. Who knows how many people were killed in these crashes, not to mention damage to property. Area I'm in, Ohio is way over populated and some places near cities they starve to death in the winter. On a highway not far from me there was a herd crashed by tractor trailor rigs. I counted 7 dead. I believe these kills are necessary at times as someone else pointed out the deer have no natural enemies left. And yes, agreed state requirement/limits for 'deer tags' needs to go.
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I disagree.
As stated earlier, since hunting is the only avenue left (having removed all the natural predators) then open a limited hunt. If your concerns are genuine, then a limited hunt would suffice. it would serve to reduce numbers and cause deer to once again, fear human contact.
Instead, your images of dead deer on the highway as justification of deer eradication only serve to make me think you are not seeing the problem as I see it.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
"And yes, agreed state
"And yes, agreed state requirement/limits for 'deer tags' needs to go."
I do agree on this too, that's why I included above. Perhaps not clear enough as the 'tags' in my state have to be paid for by the 'licensed' hunter and have a limit each season. Our limits on does were increased this year but usually is not enough to relieve the over population in many areas. My observations were not for 'justification' of 'eradication' but to state the overpopulation problem, which again the stats likely would back up.
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Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor
I concur
The easiest and cheapest way to bring a deer herd population to healthy numbers would be to have a hunt.
For parks where hunting isn't normally allowed, it could be a revenue generator.
Hold a drawing - a lottery type deal - for hunters to take a certain # of deer from the area in question. A buck or two to be considered could bring in some coin.
In those areas that are in proximity to homes - an archery only hunt would alleviate most concerns about safety.
The problem is that in this nanny state, according to government - no citizen can be trusted to do the right thing... much to the detriment of society.
Just opened my local paper... another deer kill proposed.
Right in my own backyard! North Caldwell (Tony Soprano country) is considering a deer slaughter of their own!
I know, lets clear-cut all the forested land! That'll get rid of them thar' nature critters!
Eugenics.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
The Audobon Society...
They were backing Pennsylvania's deer eradication program a few years ago.
The State wanted the deer herd to be dropped by half or more.
What that means is that folks that hunt on public grounds (here in PA, SPORTSMEN have purchased millions of acres of State Game Lands) have had an increasingly difficult time hunting deer.
While I don't know if there are sinister forces behind the programs, the arguments about 'controlled populations' seem to have some merit.
good thing
i live in north rural florida ;-)
corn is out....
well
Fortune Favors the Bold
I am from essex county. There are certainly alot of deer. I think this extermination program is idiotic. They should just legalize deer hunting.
Fortune Favors the Bold
Actually, I agree....
...but it will never happen... I think you know that.
Deer in Essex Cty are hardly an epidemic. A good hunt would help curb their growth but that is not the goal, it seems. They want eradication.
I have to ask myself, why?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Got to get rid of the food
goes right along with the pattern:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/78493
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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\and if there is no hunting
\and if there is no hunting you sure as hell do not need a gun!
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