Riots erupt in Oakland after slain father laid to rest -CNN
Submitted by zapatista on Thu, 01/08/2009 - 17:09
Is this perhaps a sign of things to come?
(CNN) -- Protests erupted shortly after a young man killed by a subway police officer was laid to rest in Oakland on Wednesday night, according to local media and iReporters.
The Oakland Police Department made 105 arrests, including a mass arrest of about 80 people at 11 p.m., said Officer Jeff Thomason. The charges include inciting a riot, vandalism, assault on a police officer and unlawful assembly, he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/08/BART.shooting/index.html
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When police
were no longer being called "peace officers" (keepers of the peace) we lost our peaceful communities. Because now they are called "law enforcement officers" as in forcing the law onto everyone who must meekly submit and obey whatever nonsense is spewed forth.
The same kind of psychology happens when our public servants are now being called "law makers". As also the constant repeating of "President Bush signed into law" implying the president creates law. I do not marvel at the policies of brutality inflicted upon my neighbors as much as I cry for my ignorant neighbors who don't have a clue what is happening to them.
I can't believe 105 people let themselves be arrested by the very suspect police who they are protesting against...
Has anyone heard anything further about the unrest in CA?
I don't trust the news to carry any truth about this case or the aftermath. Anyone in or near the area know anything new?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
In response to:
joesmoe, freejesseventura, posted below but I hate those long skinny posts. Mod can remove the one below if they want.
Are you somehow able to read that BART officers thoughts or something?
If you get in your car and drive it recklessly or drink and drive then go kill someone on the road you can be charged with 2nd or 3rd (depends on the State) degree murder. The officer pulled his weapon accident or not and killed a man. He is negligent and a murder charge should be sought by the DA.
On a second note, we once in a while get a view of the police state in action. How often do these fatal shootings, beatings, and or police brutallity happen off camera? As you can see by this example and others in the past the bureaucracy atempts to protect the "peace officer" or the establishment instead seeking justice. So how many off camera incidents, official stories, or reports are complete loads of crap (my ode to sunny) to protect the establishment? Where is the equality under the law?
The BART officer should be in jail on murder charges pending a hearing.
Common law murder is defined as the:
The first three elements are relatively straightforward; however, the concept of "malice aforethought" is a complex one that does not necessarily mean premeditation. The following states of mind are recognized as constituting the various forms of "malice aforethought":
(i) Intent to kill;
(ii) Intent to inflict serious bodily harm short of death;
(iii) Reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life (sometimes described as an "abandoned and malignant heart"); or
(iv) Intent to commit a dangerous felony (the "felony-murder" doctrine).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder
I have a distant relative.
I have a distant relative. This relative is a "officer". This "officer" bragged at Thanksgiving dinner, how he and his partner, took an intoxicated man ( he claimed spit on them ) they took this unarmed man to his holding cell and turned off the jail cameras and beat the intoxicated man up. He then told me that, and quote, "he wont do that again". As he sat stuffing his fat face. I guess they know how to turn off the cameras, so, I am sure it's not an isolated event.
There are
narcissists and sociopaths in all walks of life not excluding law enforcement. But some people tend to ignore that fact when it comes to persons hired to protect and serve.
How many "good" cops ever
How many "good" cops ever turn on another? They don't. Why? Because, then they become one of us. Not so good for them.
Bingo!!!
bring on the term limits.
People Behaving Badly
The man shot was not "executed", he was a victim of his own bad behavior. That being said the price he paid was well beyond just.
I'm sick and tired of thugs pushing the envelope and then blaming cops when their experiment with intimidation goes wrong.
Socialists are Everywhere
Socialists are Everywhere
I don't know
What did the man do??? Why did the cops have him? I haven't heard.
Unbelievable*
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I thought you were funny....
..then I realized you were serious.
JohnKing... what was the behavior this 'thug' exhibited that justified being handcuffed, laid face-down on the cement, having one officer kneel on his neck while another shot him in the back?
I saw him mouthing off to a cop. Is that what you consider 'pushing the envelope'?
I think you are part of the problem, JohnKing...and those like you who look the other way when the people who get shot don't meet your standards for 'human'.. you know...like you.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
You Weren't There
You weren't there and neither was I. Only the man who pulled the trigger knows what was in his mind. But as a rule I would probably try not to intimidate or otherwise screw with armed men, whether they are police or not.
As I said, the thugs were pushing the envelope, experimenting; the experiment didn't go their way.
Of course the "community" in Oakland is outraged but you won't hear a peep about how bad behavior can have dire consequences.
Socialists are Everywhere
Socialists are Everywhere
But
I think the victims mother is in the article telling people not to be violent, etc. So she seems to be doing her part to keep things toned down.
You're absolutely right JohnKing...
You should never screw with armed men. You should never answer back or question authority. You should never stand up for your rights or think for a moment that someone with a badge could be wrong.
You're a good little citizen. I hope they are kind to you when your turn comes. Just be quiet and lick their boots. They'll love you for it.
I hope your chains rest lightly upon you....
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Doesn't matter
what was going on in his mind, you are judged by your actions and everyone saw his action.
The thug in this case was the cop.
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
I call it an execution.
All they had to do was handcuff the guy.
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
Any updates?
How come that wanna be has not been arrested?
Any signs of a continuance today?
Also, I read down a bit... you guys are embarrassing. To say 'accidental discharge' with a straight face.... you should work for the police review board.
To insinuate that he was reaching for his Taser (which was not called for as the suspect was already subdued and restrained) and somehow, mistakenly drew his service pistol and 'accidentally' killed the prone, handcuffed subject is real comic-book quality thinking.
Why the policeman felt the need to reach for a gun after cuffing a suspect is beyond me. The crowd was not swarming, in fact he didn't seem to pay any attention to the crowd. His focus was only on the suspect he was cuffing.
The idea he may have been reaching for a Taser and grabbed his duty pistol is laughable.
I couldn't succeed in being that naive if I tried....
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Protest was a yawn until cops showed up
From the CNN article posted:
"Some protesters lay on their stomachs, saying they were showing solidarity with Grant, who was shot in the back as he was face-down on the floor at a train station."
I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine
Are the tazer & the 9 mm next to each other on the police belt?
Does Oakland PD train them to reach for the tazer with the nondominant hand?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLPObYqDTto
I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine
Did he for sure
even have a tazer?
Riot in Oakland, California
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaydcPOKcBQ
Riots In OAK-TOWN(The More Things Change, The More they Stay The
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2lTeuo7IqM
BART Shooting - Riots In Oakland, Second Angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ2wy5RwkT4
Oakland Riots - OSCAR GRANT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qt6OxE94nU
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O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
Says it was a peaceful protest until Oakland PD gassed the crowd
From the CNN article:
"The protests began peacefully about 3:30 p.m. with about 500 people gathering at the Fruitvale station, where the shooting occurred last week, Thomason said.
Soon, a group of about 150 protesters surrounded a police officer. Fearing for his safety, Thomason said, "the decision was made to use chemical agents to protect that police officer.""
http://www.cnn.com/2009/C...
I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine
I hate to say it
But I wasn't there, and I have a deep distrust of crowds. I've been in the middle of a mob situation, and it's scary, I don't know what I would've done in the officer's position there, but being surrounded like that, I don't blame him.
Not saying I support gassing crowds, but you can use force immorally as a group without actual violence. I'll cite the Berkley riots as case in point there.
Eric Hoffer
http://gplus.to/jamesrmoore
"You can use force . . . without actual violence"?
Indeed. Could you then use violence without actual force?
(I wish to discern your logic.)
I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior.--Hippolyte Taine
Logic?
Absolutely not.
All squares are rectangles, however all rectangles are not squares.
Force is a broad generality, violence is a subset of force.
I cited the Berkley student revolt for exactly this reason. Going on stage and grabbing a microphone out of turn to speak was not violent, but it was force as it wasn't his property to grab. Nor was it violence for picketers to block streets of traffic, however it is force.
An at home equivalent would be coming home to find a man breaking into your home to rob you. It may not be violence against you, but he is taking things from you by force.
Much force is done not by the use of violence, but by the threat of violence. Like aiming a gun at someone, metaphorically speaking.
Eric Hoffer
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UPDATE
I just thought of another way of explaining it. From a martial arts viewpoint, force is used as a way to get a technical or tactical advantage by positioning in yourself in a way which you could in fact do violence to a person in ways which would disarm their offenses.
In chess, aiming both bishops at the king side and lifting the rook to do added pressure are "forces" in the situation, as the other player must do something if he is going to avoid being defeated (read: killed) in the ensuing violence which you would bring about by an actual attack.
Eric Hoffer
http://gplus.to/jamesrmoore