0 votes

Thought police: tough job, someone HAS to do it?

"Please do not write anything that Dr. Paul himself would not say or would not approve of, or that would reflect poorly on Dr. Paul or his organizations."

If we are only to be parrots of what Dr. Paul would say, there is no point in our having a discussion. We can all go hit google and youtube and endlessly ruminate over what Dr. Paul ACTUALLY said, rather than come here and try to paraphrase or rephrase his words.

Is there any room for a NEW thought? Not unless Dr. Paul has it first.
Is there any one defending the Constitution? Why, Dr. Paul is, of course! Except that part about free speech. If we have something to say that "would reflect poorly" on a man or an organization that supposedly supports liberty, it must not be worthy of discussion. Of course, knowing what would "reflect poorly" is a matter of not only making sure my THOUGHTS are just like Dr. Paul's, but that the thoughts of the READER will also fall into line.

What about Dr. Paul's calls for Civil disobedience? Anybody ever going to talk about that? Not here, it might reflect poorly, and by definition will be advocating something unlawful.

The r3VOLution is indeed now the R3VOlution - killed by the censors who championed Dr. Paul rather than his message of LIBERTY. I understand legal ramifications for manystrom, but this business of holding us all up to the standard of "would Dr. Paul say or do that?" is absurd. None of US can be Dr. Paul, and to try prevents US from becoming critical thinking, successful activists.

Dr. Paul has nothing to say about the Rothschilds and the banksters that have overthrown our government. If we keep THAT topic off the table, we are as bad as the MSM. And why Dr. Paul will NOT challenge this slander of the people who wish to expose the FACTUAL conspiracies, like when Prescott Bush attempted to overthrow this government, makes him someone I no longer wish to emulate. I want to be MORE courageous than him, I want to EXPOSE the corruption that he is content to let carry on, I want to NAME NAMES of the CONSPIRATORS rather than coddle them for my own safety.

Good luck to you all. It is an interesting way to fight for freedom, to begin with censorship. That is indeed following the Dr.'s lead, the FIRST thing this movement asked me to do was help them hide 9-11. I consider that my FIRST sell out, and I hope it will be my last. I will always wonder... what if I had spent all that time, money and effort on exposing the 9-11 lie, rather than throw it at the campaign of a man who never wanted or intended to win?

Wonder how quickly this will disappear. Oh well, I got to say it at least, even if no one will be allowed to share my horrible, horrible, message of free speech being worth defending, even from Ron Paul.

I found the discussion a much better representation of "the message" when any idiot could post their propaganda, and the patriots could hone their debate skills shooting them down. But that would leave all those thought policemen out of work.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

Great post

As far as the "things that would reflect badly on Dr. Paul" restriction, I want to point out how even though Dr. Paul is about a pure as snow, the propagandists STILL found ways to smear this honorable man.

I always tell this to my meetup members:

"If you are afraid of the bad guys calling you names, you should not be involved in this movement".

Excellent point

I'd like to point out that there are actually those who are apologizing for government propaganda on the DP. Pathetic.

----
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained." -Mahatma Gandhi

----

"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

paul4won

Enjoyed reading your post.You make some valid points.
Ron and people around him as well as moderators here are all human(as far as I know LOL) and mistakes were and will be made...
I share your wish for Ron to be more outspoken on certain matters like say Jesse Ventura...
I would love to see Ron Paul openly state on CNN a need for a new independent investigation into 9/11.

http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57925480@N00/2660779139/sizes/l/

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Great post

Very well said and thought out. Thank you paul4won. I hope Michael will consider this important article as some much needed libertarian-thinking for the DP [in other words, libertarianism in the very purpose and implementation of DP]. Indeed we are not Ron Paul-bots, we are liberty-lovers!

What Is Liberty? [from The Law by Bastiat]
Actually, what is the political struggle that we witness? It is the instinctive struggle of all people toward liberty. And what is this liberty, whose very name makes the heart beat faster and shakes the world? Is it not the union of all liberties - liberty of conscience, of education, of association, of the press, of travel, of labor, of trade? In short, is not liberty the freedom of every person to make full use of his faculties, so long as he does not harm other persons while doing so? Is not liberty the destruction of all despotism - including, of course, legal despotism? Finally, is not liberty the restricting of the law only to its rational sphere of organizing the right of the individual to lawful self-defense; of punishing injustice?

It must be admitted that the tendency of the human race toward liberty is largely thwarted, especially in France. This is greatly due to a fatal desire - learned from the teachings of antiquity - that our writers on public affairs have in common: They desire to set themselves above mankind in order to arrange, organize, and regulate it according to their fancy.

----
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained." -Mahatma Gandhi

----

"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

Actually, if you want to

Actually, if you want to complain, I would just politely ask Michael for a new rewrite of the guidelines. I believe they are well-meaning but a little overly stringent, as you pointed out, specifically in regard to "things that would reflect badly on Dr. Paul".

Bear in mind, most of us are moderating those guidelines pretty lightly. Personal attacks, I am not bothering to edit or delete--it would be like handing out speeding tickets on the Indianapolis 500.

Right now, I've decided only to edit posts that: (a) advocate violence, (b) contain profanity that is used as an insult against another member, and (c) posts that display racism and/or anti-Semitism.

If someone is acting like a complete, total ass, I might also give them a warning to read the guidelines.

If I had my way, those rules would be about it. But it's Michael's call, not mine.

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

It was not intended as a commentary on rules or moderators

It is a commentary on what the thought process of the "awake" people has deteriorated to. Do we believe Dr. Paul has no limitations of any kind? Do we believe he has no skeleton in any closet, or no person close to him who sold him out, or no blind spot where he just fails to see the painfully obvious? even if we consider him great, the greatest person we have ever met, the greatest man in our lifetime... do any of us think he is perfect? We gotta get over his bad self. He got a great thing rolling, and if we do not move right on past him we fail him, us, our descendants, everyone. He is a man, he has limitations. If we stand around waiting for him to lead, we are all limited by his limitations. If we all allow each other our limitations and learn to work together, toward true, individual liberty, as paradoxical as that sounds, it is the only real path to "victory."
This whole awakening has made me learn to be pretty quick on my mental feet, although I do not claim to be a graceful dancer... I have come to rely on the notion that I give just about anything a 5% chance of being possible, so I have seriously entertained some pretty wild notions on the "5% chance" they were correct. Why Ron Paul can't give the HUGE movement for exposing the 9-11 inconsistencies 5% consideration mystifies me, and shows me beyond any doubt that we must move BEYOND whatever holds him back. I do not begrudge him having blind spots, I begrudge a "movement" that stands around expecting a man to lead them to a place he may not be able to go. We ALL have things that limit us, that hold us back. As a movement, we must be larger than one man's limitations.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

The Superman Idea

I know some would argue that the Superman idea does not apply to Dr. Paul [or the DP], but I would disagree. I think Dr. Paul has always maintained that this R[EVOL]UTION is about the message and not the man. And what is the message? I would submit that, when we get down to brass tacks, the message is liberty.

And so what more rational and just way to promote liberty is there than through the practice of liberty? It is certainly not through the implementation of our own "Supermen".

The Superman Idea [from The Law by Bastiat]
The claims of these organizers of humanity raise another question which I have often asked them and which, so far as I know, they have never answered: If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? The organizers maintain that society, when left undirected, rushes headlong to its inevitable destruction because the instincts of the people are so perverse. The legislators claim to stop this suicidal course and to give it a saner direction. Apparently, then, the legislators and the organizers hve received from Heaven an intelligence and virtue that place them beyond and above mankind; if so, let them show their titles to this superiority.

They would be the shepherds over us, their sheep. Certainly such an arrangement presupposes that they are naturally superior to the rest of us. And certainly we are fully justified in demanding from the legislators and organizers proof of this natural superiority.

----
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained." -Mahatma Gandhi

----

"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

photoshopwiz's picture

shout out to JKap...

~
for nice use of limited graphics tools on this site...

R[EVOL]UTION ; >

Wha?

Have you said anything in that entire post which would make a reasonable admin moderate it? No. Your post was very well thought out and written. You are obviously intelligent enough to know the difference between free speech and private domain.

Free speech is not to be curtailed in anyway in a public setting. In private places such as homes or businesses it can be in a way.

If you were in a public town square and wanted to voice your opinions to a crowd you have the right to do so. Here on the internet it's a bit different as every avenue is property of someone else. There are not many private places on the net that will open themselves up to be truly public (think guestbook or unmoderated forums) because of a thing called form bots and spam.

You are free to create your own corner in the town square where you can say and do as you please. You can get your own website. That's just how it is. You are in someone's house right now and you have to abide by their rules. Judging from how many people actively use and appreciate this site the rules here are common sense and most people have no issues dealing with that.

This isn't your house. I think a lot of people here forget that. Just because you are in someone's house doesn't mean you can't use it like you would your own. You just can't go around crying about oppressive admins when they are doing a very good job. I haven't seen any topic moderated that didn't need to be. I have seen topic titles edited which I think it out of line for a moderator to do but that's small potatoes compared with some seriously heavy handed admins from other corners of the web I've been to.

There is free speech here. Just don't go off making threats of violence. Conduct yourselves in a civil way and you'll be treated with civility. This is simple stuff come on.