I asked RON PAUL about 9/11 and...
Submitted by cseman on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 16:37I asked him to "please look into 9/ll," at a booksigning in MN before the Rally for the Republic. He had been smiling and shaking hands and chatting with the ppl in front of me in line as he signed their books. When I handed him mine he smiled and said "Hello!" I said "Thank you so much for everything you have done." He told me your welcome in his cheerful way as he opened the book and prepared his sharpie. I then said "Please look into 9/ll, Dr. Paul." That's all I said. He stopped, looked up at me. The smile was gone. He looked at the attendent on his right, and signed the book without another word and without so much as a glance in my direction, quickly turning to the next person in line.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I got the idea that that was a topic our beloved Dr. Ron Paul did NOT want to discuss. But not only that, he seemed reluctant, perhaps even afraid, to even acknowledge my statment. As a die-hard RP-er and Truther, I was rather confused about that little incident. Yeah, he was in a hurry, but I was shocked at how cold and awkward everything became. For a split second, I thought he was even going to call security on me, though I had uttered just one calm statement. Could Dr. Paul be a Truther under duress? Any theories as to why such a man of truth and knowledge would so blatantly reject 9/11 truth?
Do You Know How Annoying...this must get?
Maybe he thought, "Oh no, another one?"
At least you didn't use the word, "research." Let's assume, for a moment, that Ron Paul is telling the truth when he says he doesn't believe the "truther" story. Maybe he just gets really annoyed--I get annoyed seeing that this is at the top of DailyPaul!
But he still signed your book...
and I still commented.
Notice how you were able to generate an intricate storyline
out of a smile and a glance? Hey, I'm the same way! All
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mean your feelings aren't valid. It's just important to remember
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things known as priorities.
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From what I recall, Dr. Paul
From what I recall, Dr. Paul supports the idea of there being a new investigation. I believe that might be enough to show where he stands.
But, you must realize that 9/11 can be used as a weapon against him even now. RP must choose his words very carefully in regards to 9/11. Surely whatever he says could come back to haunt him and possibly used to even discredit him in some way. We definitely would not want that to happen.
Then on top of that, what if 9/11 was truly orchestrated by the government or some "puppet masters" behind the scenes. If he does or says the wrong thing it could potentially put him in danger, or maybe put his family in danger. Who can know for sure?
This is such a touchy / sensitive topic that I feel everyone needs to back off on this issue and let RP handle it how he believes it should be handled in terms of what he personally can do.
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Hmm, no
No, I'd rather think about what Ron Paul *actually* says:
Mike Gallagher: "Is it fair to say that you believe that there was some kind of either government conpiracy or coverup involving September 11th, 2001?"
Ron Paul: "No, not really. I never bring that up. Some people try to twist what I say and turn it into that. And I think some of my supporters lean in that direction, but that's not my position. I do think government's basically inept. I mean we were spending $40 billion a year collecting intelligence, and a lot of information was out there. We had one FBI agent, I think sent dozens and dozens of memos to his superiors saying that there are people trying to fly airplanes but not land them. And, nobody would pay any attention, so I don't think that's a conspiracy; I think that's a lot of bureaucracy that doesn't work very well. And then when we have government investigations, whether it's 9/11 or assassinations, I think the main goal is to protect the government and to protect their ineptness. And that is a lot different than saying 'Oh they conspired to do this because they can use this as an excuse to spread the war in the Middle East whether they had anything to do with 9/11 or not.' I don't see it that way, but I believe some who did want to spread the war would use it as an opportunity. But, it wasn't something that was deliberately done."
And this:
Wasson: "Do you believe that there was some kind of coverup in the September 11th investigation?"
Paul: "I think that's a perfectly logical answer ..[the coverup being that] they sort of protect themselves to show where they might have goofed up. So, I think this is very natural; that's the natural instinct of all goverments. So, that is a far cry from what you've insinuated by saying that I endorse the idea that the government had something to do with 9/11."
So you see, when he talks about a cover-up he is NOT endorsing crazy truther theories. He is talking about the government covering up their own incompetence.
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Well duh
He's been saying for almost two years if his supporters care about him and his campaign, they'll stay away from that issue because it doesn't help our cause. Personally, I think he is a closet truther, but we need to pick our battles, and that's a battle that can't be won because truthers are too easily discredited. Shame on you for bringing it up.
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Excuse me, Ruth. But there is no shame in asking why DP-ers think RP might be against the Truth movement. This is not a question of picking battles. Picking your battles is when you DON'T make an issue of something, and you DON'T pick a side in public. Dr. Paul - God love him - HAS taken a stand on one side of this issue. I have supported him since the beginning and currently run the Pensacola C4L meetup, and I love him to death. But I want to know if there is some REASON for his OPPOSITION to the Truth movement. He HAS chosen his battle, and it IS against the Truth movement. I just want to know how to reconcile this with what we know of him. He is an honest, liberty-minded, intelligent, well-read statesman. So WHY the puzzling inconsistency?
My own theory is the same for Alex Jones' curious refusal to indict the true masters behind our tyranny - the Jesuits. I believe both of them fear for the lives of themselves and their loved ones. But I'm just curious what everyone else thinks.
Let me try
--"I just want to know how to reconcile this with what we know of him. He is an honest, liberty-minded, intelligent, well-read statesman. So WHY the puzzling inconsistency?"
Here, let me try to reconcile this dilemma for you. Ron Paul has looked at the evidence, as many rational people have. He has come to the conclusion that (are you ready?) truther theories are absolutely insane. Even the strongest truther beliefs are easily disproved with a little bit of research.
Noam Chomsky has also come to the same conclusion, but from a different angle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZ-vIaW6Bc&NR=1
I know you might find this hard to believe - maybe even impossible - but it might just be that you are wrong and Ron Paul is right.
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Thanks Ruth
You Ruth are the perfect truther. You have your own personal beliefs, and yet you refuse to tarnish Ron Paul. I wish all truthers were like you.
I have to disagree that Ron Paul is a closet truther, though. There is zero evidence that he supports any truther theories, yet there is abundant evidence that he disagrees with truthers. It just isn't reasonable to project your own beliefs onto the man.
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I would have
to call myself a truther on the grounds of what Dr paul says. That they were inept. Define inept. They knew and did nothing and then they said things like who could ever imagined they would fly airplanes into buildings. If someone told me they were going to drive a car through your house and I didn't tell you and then they did and later I said who could ever imagine that could ever happen wouldn't I be a liar? Someone evidentley imagined it and I had forknowledge of that imagination and now you have a car in your house. Am I at all responsible? Especially if I was being paid to protect your house and had many others gathering and verifying the information.
Exactly
Thank you, bbagnall
The perfect "truther" according to BBagnall!
Know when to shut up... Sounds like someone else on FOX!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNl6-j9x5w
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
bbagnall sounds alot like
one of our old friends "BillyDee, preferred, justcantgetenough, and the dozen other accounts he's used over the past year.
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Wow thanks for the heads up...
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Yep.
I have certainly wasted enough time on him. You're probably right Big T.
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It's cheap
to pay some dumb college kids to play "gatekeeper" for them on the internet for a few bucks an hour, so as to try to keep a lid on the truther message by stirring the shit and keeping us busy. I'm sure they've hired alot of them. They even announced they were going to.
"dumb college kids"
Sounds a little closer to the truth. Agent, just seems too sophisticated.
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Unfortunately bbagnall you are not the perfect denier
"It just isn't reasonable to project your own beliefs onto the man."
-A statement you made just after you projected your own personal beliefs onto the man. You don't know what Ron Paul beleives regarding 911 so stop pretending.
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To be fair
bbagnall gave some evidence to back up why he or she doesn't believe Ron Paul is a truther. I'm going on nothing more than a gut feeling, so maybe I should rethink it.
That's the difference Ruth you are fair where as BBagnall
calls people names and castigates them for their individual reality if it doesn't fit his own.
Whatever your reality is it your right to believe in it without someone judging.
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Ron Also says
Ron Paul: ""I have never seen any evidence to show that our government deliberately participated and contributed to that. I think their ineptness contributed to it, because I think the information was all available. You know, there was one FBI [agent] that sent in like seventy reports, and saying 'You know, this seems strange. There's some Arab muslims here taking flying lessons, but they don't want to land the plane." And, nobody would respond to him. So, I think this total ineptness is where the problem really is.
{I highlight this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!}
>>> They had all the information they needed, but the bureaucracy acted like a typical bureaucracy. Then investigations, government investigations are designed for a cover up, so nobody gets blamed for messing up! So, I see that. SO, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE BOTTOM OF IT, but I don't trust investigations generally speaking. I mean, whether it's looking into Ruby Ridge or Waco, or assassinations. I mean there, seems like they raise more questions than they answer. So, a new investigation if you don't have any of the right people won't do any good either. It's a government investigation. That won't automatically get to the bottom of it. But,{{{ I would say we have still a lot of questions. And, just like I think we should be asking a lot more questions on how so many people were misled into believing the conditions warranted going to in Iraq so the same way about 9/11, I think it warrants more checking into.<<<
So stop telling us to shut up....We are asking questions. All you are doing is focusing on the faction of 911 people that are pushing some unbelievable information. The majority of us just want a new investigation that involves more experts than just the ones that are being investigated. JUST LIKE RON STATES ABOVE. Thanks for playing hope you had fun and now here's Tom with the weather..
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Are you saying that I am telling you to shut up?
Because I'm not...
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
9.11 is a very complex operation/event
I believe a large professional black op's unit had there hands on a lot of what happened that day, if not all. But, the reality of our World is Egypt,Israel & Saudi Arabia & the UK, France,the US, Scandinavia & others all have an on-going problem with radical Islamists.
That threat had to be addressed, but orchestrating a shock & awe event like 9.11 was overboard & takes away our moral center.
its all about credibility
I think RP may really be a truther BUT the second that gets out all the progress he has made will be squashed.........if all the 911 guys would have just kept their **** mouths shut they would not have given the MSM any free ammo like they did.
during the course of the campaign I got turned on to Alex Jones big time because of RP's interviews with him but I still KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT about 911 anywhere around the RP campaign because its just too taboo PERIOD.
Ron's a smart guy I even heard Alex Jones hint that RP did know about it but he had to stop himself from saying anymore.
dont worry RP IS hurting the establishment.......in the last Trilateral or Bilderberg meeting (I cant remember which one) RP kept coming up because they were worried that a whole generation of ppl my age (25) had become galvanized to the globalist lies.
Pick your battles.....Im sure Ron has been asked 10 million times about 911 and he is probobly getting sick of it.
besides RP has turned alot of ppl onto AJ and has talked alot about false flag in Iran (1953) so he is planting seeds covertly.
No Ron Paul is not a truther
--"I think RP may really be a truther..."
For the love of God he is not a truther! He has repeatedly disavowed your crazy crackpot theories. He believes 9/11 is simply what it is: terrorist blowback from a flawed foreign policy. He thinks government ineptness allowed it to happen. He writes about this all the time. Don't you guys have any ears? Can you just for one second listen to him. Hear his words and don't try putting your own thoughts into his mouth. And most of all, if you are on a Ron Paul Internet site or at a Ron Paul gathering, keep your damn traps shut and don't talk about 9/11 theories that are directly opposed to what he stands for.
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HOLD UP
bbagnall, I would estimate over 75% of Ron Paulers do not believe the official 9/11 story, at the very least. That is the purpose of this discussion. How is it that a man could have such a massive following who share a common belief that 9/11 was obviously an inside job,while their hero doesn't. This is a perfectly legitimate topic. And just as Ron Paul converted me on the war issue, the tax issue, and many others, I would love for the Revolution to return the favor and either convert him on the Truth issue or find out who is shutting his mouth on this issue.
Or perhaps the obvious answer is...
Ron Paul is an Austrian economist, like Peter Schiff or Lew Rockewell. I don't think Austrians for the most part subscribe to zany conspiracy theories. Why do you assume someone is shutting Ron's mouth? Maybe he should be taken at his word, and maybe he is right and you are wrong. He is pretty smart you know.
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The Fact is that he doesn't believe the Official CRACKPOT THEORY
No one is putting words in his mouth they are merely stating there opinion. Why don't you stop trying to silence others especially when it comes to 9/11. Most of us here don not share your reality. We all have our own and constantly calling others names because they don't jive with your reality just shows the rest of us how desperate you are in protecting your own fragile reality.
I know I have been there.
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
Well aware of your "reality"
Look, Ron Paul has openly stated his position on this. We've talked about it before. He doesn't want you talking about truther theories in his name and he explicitly stated this.
If we had Communists coming here and promoting Communism under Ron Paul's name, we would object to that too. Stop promoting things that Ron Paul disagrees with! It is ruining his movement. It is scaring away credible people who would otherwise like to join.
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Dr. Paul openly calls the official version a crock of sh*t
You don't admit it but RP calls the official story, that you don't know but defend anyway, a crock of sh*t. That is a FACT.
So if the official version is a lie and it keeps being propagated by the highest officials don't you think the people are going to try to figure out what really happened? One thing I agree with you on is that there is a lot of incorrect theories about that day but that doesn't mean it's all crap. Do you think when solving a crime there are hundreds of theories that must be tested to find if they hold water? You have to understand the frustration of the people. Where is your compassion? Our Government is openly lying and people are trying to figure out the truth and instead of castigating the Media/Government for lying you attack the people that just want answers and justice.
You really should take a step back and listen to yourself.
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."