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I am going to soon make a purchase for silver (or gold) and I was wondering where the best place is to get it. Has anyone tried Midas Resources? I have bought from NWT mint before but they have high premiums over spot compared to other dealers, not to mention they take a long time delivering. This APMEX site looks very good http://www.apmex.com/Product/40587/Canada_20_Olympic_Silver_...

I was wondering about that coin in the link. It has a $20 face value and you can purchase them for $21.99 a coin, It is a one ounce silver coin. To me this looks like a good buy in small quantities because you would have the value of both the silver and the government denomination on it.

Does anyone have any advice from past buying experiences? Thanks.

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Once again

I have posted this information several times.I tried several dealers and settled on Miles Franklin. I started with this stuff back in 2000. If you would like to read some of my reasons for using MF you can probably still find my posts by search the DP for Miles Franklin.

http://www.milesfranklin.com/splash.asp

I happen to deal with Bob Sichel, and I really like talking with him. He is one of us, too!

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If you trust canada's fiat money more than ours the $20 face

May be useful.

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Depends on how much you want

Depends on how much you want to spend.

If you are looking to spend up to a couple hundred bucks, then your local coin shop or ebay is the place to be.

If you are looking to spend thousands of dollars, you need to head over to seekbullion.com

Jason Homel from silverstockreport.com heads up seekbullion so they are very reputable.

$5

That's the "face value" of my statement. It means nothing. It's just a picture on a screen---kind of like a picture on a coin.

Are you sure

how much pure silver is in the coin. It says 1oz silver proof but not 1oz of pure silver. Whenever I see "silver proof" I'm skeptical. but even if it does have 1oz .999 fine silver its not a great deal. The face value is irrelevant, it's probably not "legal tender". Spot silver is a bit over $11 and 1oz silver eagles are going for around $15. So, unless it has collectible value I'd stick to basic bullion coins or bars. The prices for bullion on the site look ok to me.
The places I used and were happy with were Monex and Bullion Direct.

I bought from Midas

It was back when I was really paranoid.

I got 20 ("a roll") of silver liberty dollars, dating around the 1920s. It was when silver was around $13/oz and I spent over $400 after shipping costs.

It took nearly two months to get it delivered - far longer than I was told. I called a few times and it kept getting delayed. I was about to cancel my order when I called the last time and was told again "oh, it may be another couple weeks or more." I was pissed, since this is what I was told initially. But then I got them a few days later.

I don't know if it was worth it. I guess I'll have to wait until the depression to know that.

I'll probably be holding onto these coins for a very long time. It is a wiser thing to do if you have lots of money you're not touching. Now I think I'd rather have put that money towards a new truck. The only insurance they provide to me is in case there's a sudden absolute collapse of the monetary system - but now I doubt that's going to happen. But if it does, then good for me I guess.

Damn Alex Jones freaked me out and convinced me to buy from his sponsor. I'm sure Midas pays him well for his services. But I was an unhappy customer and eventually gave up on Jones months ago.

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I think copper might be a better investment

Thinking about it just now, I plan to focus on obtaining copper instead. Since it's an industrial metal there will always be a need for it.

If you're thinking of saving your pennies, it's interesting to note that

"The alloy remained 95 percent copper and 5 percent zinc until 1982, when the composition was changed to 97.5 percent zinc and 2.5 percent copper (copper-plated zinc). Cents of both compositions appeared in that year."

http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/fun_facts/index.cfm?fla...

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silver is much better then

silver is much better then copper.. it to is an industrial metal used in hundereds more products then copper..

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Checkout Kitco.com

They have a forum and lots more silver buyers there to find out where to buy.

I Like Junk Silver

Lower premium; perhaps the most recognizable; everyone will understand their worth if it DOES happen that the SHTF; won't have to cut or prove that its real; and is legal currency, i.e., can be handy to structure transactions since its legal currency -- helpful vis-a-vis the taxman? Consult your attorney!

IMHO, the safest, cheapest, and most useful.

I should add, I've given away my silver to the poor.
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If I Had Some, I Would

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RE: Junk silver

That is a very good point about it being low-denomination legal-tender versus it's actual value, for tax purposes, but it will be a fight with the IRS to get them to go along with it, which I believe would draw unnecessary IRS attention to yourself. That's one of the few fights that you might have a chance of winning with them, temporarily, except they would hold a grudge and eventually get you.

I want to be sold on 90% silver, I really do, but I'm fairly certain that if I went out for a 100 $30 meals, and tipped the waiters/waitresses one 1960 half dollar each, 97 or 98 of them wouldn't know what they are holding, and would be pissed off for being tipping so low.

Lol, True On All Counts

I'd use that tactic sparingly.

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True, You Wouldn't Do It At The Moment

Better off tipping with FRN's until then. The tippee will like it, and you're better off!

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There was news of some

There was news of some business owner a while back paying his employees with gold coins... The IRS tried to intervene, but the man was using US currency gold coins - I believe the IRS basically had no choice but to get out of the way, as per the court.

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Yes

That's what I was eluding to, but that guy went through hell, owes huge legal fees, and I'm sure the IRS isn't going to play nice with him ever again.

Anyway, F@&k the IRS, they can control monopoly money all they want, they don't need to about any metal you're holding. I'm sure they're not going to step up and cover me when I sell my other metal holdings (lawn mower, car, etc.) for a loss.

I can vouch for APMEX

Very straight-forward and easy buying from them, plus fast shipping (always faster than they say the availability will be). My advice is to diversify between different forms of silver product. There are advantages and disadvantages to each:

American Silver Eagles-
Advantage: Can be sold for a high premium during normal times, hard to counterfeit.
Disadvantage: If the SHTF, that premium will possibly go away and it will be worth silver content only, also, although one ounce, it does have a very small portion of copper (.07), so not as pure as others, and also, not a problem but worth mentioning, if you brought it to a bank, they'd just give you $1 for it..

Canadian Silver Maples-
Advantage: About the purest silver you can get, can be sold for a premium during normal times, and I suppose it does have a relative high legal-tender value, if the value of silver crashed (fat chance).
Disadvantage: Still must be bought for a premium, which would surely go away if the SHTF.

Silver Rounds (.999+)-
Advantage: Low markup, pure silver, easily sold if from a reputable dealer, would be good money if the SHTF.
Disadvantage: If silver went through the roof ($100+) and counterfeiting becomes a problem, there could be an additional cost to getting rounds assayed to prove silver content

Silver bars (1 - 10 ounces)-
Advantage: Same as rounds, plus easy to store in less space, relatively low markup
Disadvantage: Same as rounds

Silver bars (100 - 1000+ ounces)-
Advantage: Easily stored, easily traded for industrial uses, very low markup.
Disadvantage: Would have to cut in half to confirm it doesn't have a lead core, much harder to sell to the average silver investor, not easily divisible to be used for purchases if the SHTF.

90% "Junk" silver-
Advantage: Real coins, hardest to counterfeit, still legal-tender (though you'd never want to sell at face value), much more divisible for small purchases in a SHTF scenario.
Disadvantage: Dirty, worn, not pure (a silver/copper alloy), harder to fit into smaller safes (or deposit boxes, if you dare). Some swear by junk silver, but I don't get it. If you gave most people a 1960 half dollar, they would just see it as a 50 piece. If the SHTF, I don't want to be going around trying to convince people that a dime or quarter is really worth a lot of money.

40% silver coins- Not a good investment, harder to smelt into pure silver, I say stay away from it.

Silver grain/shot- mostly used in the jewelry trade, very small market, very hard to judge the purity of it, I say stay away from it.

Unique coins/collector coins- Eh, stay away, that's not how to invest in silver, and the huge premium hobbyist pay for these will definitely be gone when the SHTF.

I personally have stayed away from Mexican and European silver (though Mexican silver is supposed to be high quality) because of the premium and then really trusting the silver content. I just started investing in Silver a few months ago. One thing is for sure, for many reasons, now seems to be the time to own physical silver.

I Can Vouch For Apmex As Well

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Yeah, That's What I Did

but they did tell me up front, and they shipped when they were supposed to.

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Thank you very much!

Incredibly helpful post. Very good point about the 90% junk silver. I think I'll stick with a mix of rounds and maples/eagles. Is there a particular round you would recommend? I mentioned the low premium of the buffalo rounds but according to the individual below it is deeply stamped which doesn't sound like a good quality for a coin. The eagles appear to be very attractive and they are also bigger pieces (I suppose because of the copper content) but seem to have a higher premium than maples which are more pure.

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"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo

RE: Buffalos

IMO, the buffalo rounds are the best looking in my collection. They have a mirror-shine finish, which says "silver" to me, more than the somewhat dull finish of the American Eagles, have a great design on them, and clearly say one troy ounce .999+ silver. They are just about a mm smaller than the Eagles (as you suppose, because no copper).

The buffalos are priced right, being their cheapest round, but my last order was for APMEX-branded rounds (which I see they've sold out of for now), because I believe years from now, the APMEX rounds will be trusted for their silver content better than the generic buffalo rounds (but that's just a guess, it wou'dn't hurt you to get some buffalos).

Again, I'd start off with a mix of ASE and rounds, just make sure you are able to get at least a 100 of whichever one, to get a good price.

Thanks again

I really like the mirror-like finish on some of the coins like Libertatems and John Galt coins. It is an attractive round.

"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo

"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo

local community

I just love walking into the coin shop about 6 blocks from here to buy silver coins and gold. I've been buying there for about 20 years. His stock various each visit - it's just a small shop. Sometimes I buy 90% silver US coins, or a gold Maple Leaf of various weights, sometimes old Morgan and Peace dollars. The proprietor and I 'know' each other and the commissions are at the low end as a regular customer. He respects my privacy, yet we are very friendly. Cash only and anonymous - no paper or video records. It's one of the little joys in my life - to turn my FRNs into something real.

You are lucky Freeman

I wish I had that kind of set up. I am going to my first coin shop on Friday (I bought online before that) so I'll see what the premiums are. The Gold maples are really nice, especially the .99999 ones. 90% bags wouldn't be bad. I already have a nice stash of silver maples so I might try going for something less expensive so I can get more quantity of silver. I'm definitely going to go the route of taking all my money out of the bank and investment firms (who caution to only have 10% of your portfolio in metals) and turn a larger sum into something of value.

"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo

"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo

Fuck face value. You're

Fuck face value. You're buying it cause it's a fucking ounce of silver. Don't pay $22. You can buy silver on ebay for $11-15 an ounce.

I thought so

But I don't know where on Ebay you're talking about, I can find it any lower than $19 an ounce not to mention shipping. Do you have a particular coin/mint to recommend? The Silver Buffalo's on APMEX look appealing for $13.40 an ounce.

"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo

"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo

Buffalo round

Just bought some a few weeks ago for $12.30. They are very shallow stamped and not as pretty as the eagles.

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Thanks for the info

The eagles and walking liberties are very nice coins. I think I even like the eagles better than the maples because they are much bigger (the maples are thicker but not by much).

"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo

"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo