Campaign For Liberty turning corporate? Just look at Texas. UPDATED.
Dallas, TX. On Saturday in north Texas, Paul supporters were delighted (eh hem) to find that the Texas Ron Paul "elite" have created a Campaign For Liberty corporation. That's right peeps. A 501c3. An exact mirror image of the top down power hold we have all along been fighting against. Just wanted to start a dialogue and see if this is happening elsewhere or is it just happening in the "COME AND TAKE IT" state. So far the ideas coming from these "leaders" include "laying low" and basically doing nothing between now and the next election cycle.
......yeah.......like.....you know.......heading out to local meetings and getting to know the republican party members and other government officials is not a good idea. As if......we learned absolutely NOTHING from our past political experiences!
Also - for nearly one year now - supporter contact information is being heavily guarded against other supporters who wish to separate themselves from this top down system. With this vital information, certain leadership is no longer needed.
Meaning - only a very few people in the organization have access to the information that was gathered by all of us during the 18 months of campaigning. Since knowledge is power (with the ability to do something with it, of course)........you all get the drift.........
UPDATE: Interesting bunch of comments from the best of the best. ;) Makes me think hard about who you people really are. As far as I know, it's a 501c3. And my point was that WE, RP supporters, could indeed be the sheeple as well....just in a slightly different way from how we have viewed others who could care less about what the FED is up to.
The thought, as some brilliant person said below, was for people to just "do" and therefore be a part of the grassroots effort. It is obviously very easy for certain "leaders" to sidetrack our efforts to remain FLAT - to keep from becoming a pyramid. Eventually - I see us taking orders only from above. And that is where many supporters evaporate. Then what do you have? The same sheit is what you have.
This post was asking YOU what YOU think of US becoming THAT which we OPPOSE. It DOES NOT require middle fingers or the like. But, of course, you are free (I think) to do as you please. I wonder who the armchair intellectuals are then........
Those who pose the questions? Or those who deny them their right to.
Just do it. It's not
Just do it. It's not necessary to ask permission from the 'higher ups.' If they will not assist you with supporter information, then find another way.
Use DailyPaul to begin building contacts with other Ron Paul supporters. Use Ron Paul Forums as well ( http://www.ronpaulforums.com )
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cinco,
A 501c3 is a non-profit organization.
I just posted the following note on the other 'rumor' thread. I am not accusing you cinco, you are simply posting what you found. However, I think we ought to be very cautious and suspicious of these 'rumors' and get the facts straight or Dr. Paul may lose a hell of a lot of support in just a month's time.
We have to be extremely careful. This may be a very potent 'RUMOR'. I am smelling a particular stink called 'Karl Rove stink'.
When he was Bush's 'turdblossom' as he was so affectionately called, I believe it was Time or Newsweek that reported Karl Rove was known for his extreme political tactics...like spreading a rumor about someone in Tennessee who ran for Congress or State Senator, that he had a 'black' illegitimate child.
That rumor cost the person their race even though it turned out the candidate had adopted a child of color. The list goes on and on about these 'dirty' tactics to tip the balance away from the candidate. Look what they did to Cynthia McKinney D-GA. after she confronted the Bush Admin regarding 9/11, where did the missing $2trillion go? etc. She was fearless. Dirty tactics were used to take her seat.
Keep in mind every one, Dr.Paul has several candidates salivating after his seat right now. They know he is a popular Congressman with 34 years of squeaky clean record. But his efforts are responsible for all this pressure on the Banking syndicate of late.
Would it not be advantageous to our 'mortal enemies' if perhaps a 'little rumor' were to be spread around the Daily Paul site and throughout the grapevine of the Liberty movement?
Let us take a breath and check out the facts here before we unfairly judge and sentence C4L unjustly.
Let's work on getting verification for this 'rumor'.
Cinco has a good heart I think
he/she wants to do the right thing, just gets excited I think, and like republicae said, "doesn't chew before he swallows sometimes".
I remember in another thread a couple of mths ago he got mad at me because I agreed with him, he just couldn't comprehend that I agreed with him.
We need folks with spirit, and folks with drive, hopefully he gets in the correct gear and drives the right way instead of running in circles until he blows his engine.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
here we go with the anti
here we go with the anti corporation anti business anti getting involved ...
i guess there should be no campaign for liberty ... we should all just go home and watch tv and go outside with 5 people and scream and the patriot act ... good job that will never work ... and the other half of you are screaming about people who want to do REAL things ...
like getting involved in a party and running for office and getting on committee boards ...
campaign for liberty texas can do whatever they want ... you arent a member ... and neither am i ...
its like being from NYS and telling KYS what they can eat and drink ...
get off the computer and go outside and do something ... please
The movement actually needs people with money to win.
We have great grassroots, but if we could get million and billionaires in the trenches with us, you'd see some major shakeups.
Does everyone know that our Jim Rogers used to be partners with George Soros--of Democratic Party fame?
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Let's not throw rocks at the C4L.
I am as yet unconvinced that the organization will amount to anything, but I do belong to it, and I'm willing to wait and see.
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I was there on Saturday. We
I was there on Saturday. We broke up into our districts, decided who we were electing to the State convention. We talked about where we where headed as a group. We DONATED money for the food and building. We still have a huge group that is dedicated to Liberty; I don't care what you say we need to organize nationally. Debra and Robert did a wonderful job as well as Jeremy who has put numerous hours days and weeks to help the cause of liberty. I don't see the point of this email? What are your suggestions for the future? Did you even get anything out of going? Or where you even there? Your quote; "Makes me think hard about whom you people really are” WTF? I am a stay at home mom who home school's my children, and love's our Country for what I thought it was. Now I am all about preserving our Liberties, and protecting our sovereignty that is who I really am.
Do not give into evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it.
Do not give into evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it.
If you really want a change.
Stop complaining and run for an elected office. There are more Paulites than there are Congressmen and Senators. Lets just replace them with ourselves. Oh My! does this mean I will become what I oppose?. Does this mean I should just watch You-Tubes and give up on our governmental system?
I personally am planning to run. If my fellow constituents agree with me they will elect me (us) and we can start a change. After watching Dr Paul in Washington I can see he needs a few by his side. Count me in. I admire his integrity to put up with this madness all these years, stick to his message ( not his guns), and not give up. He is a better man than most of us.
PEACE
i'm sorry...
was i complaining?
i thought i was just mentioning.......
your sarcasm is not lost on me. rather.....it's admired! ;)
now.......do you admire mine?
mentioning....addressing.....whatever.....
you know, like.......you see a blue car passing by with the gas cap door open and the cap dangling......and you say.....oh.....look.....there's a blue car with it's gas cap showing.
like i SAID.....
i'm POINTING OUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE SHEEPLE if we continue to rely upon a CONTROL STRUCTURE not at all dissimilar to that which we have relied upon up until this point. and just LOOK where we are. or can you even?
i'm glad you're PLANNING on running. yeah...that sounds FOR SURE.
not at all like........you know.........MAYBE?
planning is planning words are words action is action.
and the few of us who can SEE - we are making the changes to our lives at the personal level before anything else......good food and conversation for starts. i see many RP'ers still eating crap every damn day!!!! look at the F'ing ingredients!!!!!
it has been slow, but we have been witnessing small changes to those around us BECAUSE they themselves witness what we are doing. it's automatic and not what i expected, i'm sorry to say. i originally thought that beating someone over the head (so to speak) was the right way. i have since backed away from that idea. but how do you blame someone for having been fully indoctrinated into this crap hole and with no solid education on how to bring themselves and their family and friends to the surface? you don't. like i shouldn't have yelled or gotten upset. we are human, and that's no excuse - but it's a fact that we ain't perfect. we don't blame me for sitting and watching videos. we don't assume.
when yous assume you makes an ASS outs of YOUs and MEs.
precious.
the "so-called" texas leadership is basically saying - "when we ask for your opinions we'll give them to you"
so good luck all of you with your sheit control structure.
and how assumptive of any of you.......to assume that i, or any one of us, are sitting and simply watching you-tubes all day.
have i prior to this moment? watched videos? why....yes! was there an anti-video clause somewhere that i may have missed? does that answer require you assume that i've been sitting here since may of 07? when i found that 9/11 was an inside job?
not at all. thanks!
but you, 13hour, reiterate a good point.
we are to take on our local governments - and - i'm sorry - that DOES mean meeting and becoming acquainted with those who are already there. however your style.
god, even my RP family makes it impossibly frustrating to shine a light into the darkness.
So?
If the C4L is going to grow it does need a little tax protection - I see no harm in that.
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I am sick of supposed Ron
I am sick of supposed Ron Paul supporters grasping at straws, trying to find something to complain about when it comes to Campaign for Liberty. 99% of the time (such as in this case) they have no idea what they are talking about and have clearly not taken the 5 seconds to go look on the website where it is already answered. You keep on whining about how C4L is too top down... or is it not organized enough and too grassroots? (It's hard to keep track). While you're doing that we're going to be actually getting off the couch and doing things. Have fun, armchair intellectual!
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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul
grasping?
when texas C4L leaders tell the RP supporters that if they want to have an open discussion - then there's the door?
you call THAT grasping?
do i really?
do i know nothing about which i've written?
well.....if you say so!
Why do we need a 501c to organize
Why can't we come together and exercise our bill of rights W/O government intervention?
I've got cinco fingers on
I've got cinco fingers on this hand here......and i just lowered 4 of them. I'll let you guess which one is pointing straight up.
i love you too.
too much to return the favor.
I guess the middle, where is it aimed?
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
it sure as hell ain't
it sure as hell ain't pointed at Ron Paul.
Right....
The random lemming-wrangling really worked well in the "anything goes in the grassroots" structure - when is President Paul inaugurated again?
It is one thing to fight the RNC power structure, and another thing to have a strategy and organization. I will admit I am a little torn about the whole "take over the party" idea as I think it isn't possible. However, small steps have proven successful and the dialogue has changed in some areas with the "old guard" actually listening to us now.
Having structure and a base for support of candidates is better than watching Youtube videos and standing on street-corners.
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actually
i still believe that change from the inside out is the solution.
but thanks anyway.
Yes, they are listening to our more
populist ideas to keep them from becoming irrelevant and then will cast us aside, calling us unpatriotic and lunatic fringers, after they have used us up.
Sound fun to me. WEEEEEEEEE
from the C4L site
What type of organization is the Campaign For Liberty?
The Campaign for Liberty is a 501(c)(4) non-profit organization. A "501(c)(4)" is an organization not organized for profit and operated "exclusively for the promotion of social welfare." It is essentially a tax designation. There are many different tax categories for political organizations, each with its own pros and cons. In our case, the pros include having no limit on the amount that individuals may donate, while cons include a restriction from endorsing political candidates. Those who would like to donate to an organization that can support political candidates should donate to a Poltical Action Committee (PAC) such as the Liberty PAC. Donations to 501(c)(4)'s are NOT tax deductible.
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Much ado about nothing
So they formed a not for profit. Big deal. Each state will probably set up the same or similar. There will probably be 527s formed too.
I can tell you in my state it is anything but top down. It is very much grass roots driven.
I'm getting a little tired of the C4L bashing. Remember, it has only been a few months since it was launched. There is a lot going on and a lot has already been accomplished.
I suppose the "instant gratification culture" is still alive and well, even among Ron Paul supporters. Give it a chance and some time to get off the ground.
It is a tax designation so the CFL gets to keep and use the
money donated, instead of having to send a portion to the IRS.
See the definition of a 501 c 4:
501(c)(4)
501(c)(4) exemptions are given to civic leagues and other organizations operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or local associations of employees the membership of which is limited to a designated company or persons in a particular municipality or neighborhood and the net earnings of which are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.[9] Characteristics that set these organizations apart from a 501(c)(3) organizations include an unlimited ability to lobby for legislation and the ability to participate in political campaigns
It isn't to keep you out of the loop or to hatch some great scheme, it is to be able to use the money that we donate for the purposes we donated it for.
As far as not giving out contact info for donors and supporters, wouldn't the donors and supporters need to okay that? Private property? Don't we own our selves and info about ourselves? Quite frankly I wouldn't want you cinco to get my info from a 3rd party and be able to contact me.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
oh
so you're FINE with the people who DO have your info?
like you even know who does.
what was that little phrase jefferson wrote about trusting the people?
"We have been conditioned by government, schools, "expert" psychologists, sociologists and the corporate media to have little faith in the capacity of our fellow men and women to self-govern in accordance with the rules of society. Entire industries depend upon common people acting on the belief that we are all just a bunch of hopeless sinners whose inate tendencies are to rape, pillage, plunder, lie, cheat and steal. If we can believe that man is the most ignoble, untrustworthy and incorrigibly corrupt creature in God’s Creation, then we can be lifelong customers of legislatures, courts, lawyers, police and prisons and be forever seeking the counsel of physicians and other "experts" to protect us from ourselves and keep our material possessions safe from others.
The concept is flawed on its face. God would not create Man in his image to be the most contemptible creature in the universe.
Rather than look to "experts" who tell us that we are hopelessly incapable of living peaceably amongst ourselves without government threats of violence hanging over our heads, we should look to statesmen and philosophers who view Man as the pinnacle of God’s Creation. Within this understanding people will grow and communities will strengthen. The marketplace niche for ever-expanding and deepeningly-intrusive government will wither and our people can get back to the business of raising families in the land of the free."
As with the other time you responded to me, on another thread
What in the heck does this have to do with what we are talking about?
If you can't figure out what words that are written mean, and can't figure out that getting to keep and use the money that is donated, is better than having to give it to the government, then, then, then, well I don't know what.
I am sure if you want to hold out a portion of any money you would donate to the CFL and instead send a percentage to the IRS they would be happy to take it.
Them becoming a 501 c4 as stated on the CFL website and explained on their website, does nothing to take away your right to send money to the IRS, they just no longer have to do it. Your right to waste resources hasn't been taken by them becoming "corporate".
And yes, I still agree with a private organazation not giving out info on its supporters or members without the members consent. I own me, the CFL does not. If we wanted to give out our own contact info then great, that is our right, as it is our right not to have a 3rd party distribute it.
I am not attacking you personally, just the way you are approaching things, it is from a whatever is right for cinco, is right for everyone else way of thinking. It isn't.
I have a customer now, just came into my corporation have to go and wait on them, and increase share owner value (mine).
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
I still don't understand the rationale
of trying to reform the (r) party. That's a friggin pipe dream. All they want from us are our support for their agenda. The neo-cons aren't leaving this party; it's up to us a begin again, without them.
So stick with these guys and you will looking at the nomination of a sarah palin, bobby jindal, etc...in 2012.
As long as this polarizing 2-party clusterfu_ _ ed political system is in place, we won't have true representation in the any level of gov't.
Its not that we're trying to reform it....
We are trying to take the damn thing over!
And until a level playing field is created for 3rd parties - I agree with Ron Paul and Ayn Rand - it's like tilting at windmills....however I think the Libertarian party, Constitution party and other 3rd parties play a major and important role in acting as incubators of Liberty.
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Here's a link to the CFL site in which they explain their
tax status:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/faq.php#type
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Do you mean: 501(c)(4) ? It's a not-for-profit tax status
for an organization operated exclusively for promoting social welfare. No limit on contributions, although the contributions are not tax deductible, but there's no promotion of political candidates.
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