Massive Inflationary pressures!
Submitted by SIERRAHPBT on Thu, 01/15/2009 - 04:20this is interesting.. this guy has a great track record!
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this is interesting.. this guy has a great track record!
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Sierra, thanks for the read.
now, if you want to see something terrifying...
http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/frtr-200...
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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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see this E?? Dear
see this E??
Dear Jim,
Yikes! Why is S&P picking on Spain with these numbers coming out of the US?
Best regards,
CIGA Richard B.
Treasury: deficit hits new record in just 3 months
Treasury: federal deficit already totals record $485 billion in first 3 months of budget year
Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
Tuesday January 13, 2009, 5:11 pm EST
WASHINGTON (AP) — The federal government already has run up a record deficit of $485.2 billion in just the first three months of the current budget year. And economists say the imbalance for the full year could easily top $1 trillion, pushed to that eye-popping level by the spending the government is likely to do to combat the recession and the most severe financial crisis in generations.
The Treasury Department reported Tuesday that the deficit for December totaled $83.6 billion, a sharp deterioration from a year ago when the government managed a surplus of $48.3 billion.
All the red ink comes from the massive spending out of the financial rescue program — $247 billion out of $700 billion spent so far — and a prolonged recession that has depressed tax revenues.
The overall deficit from October through December is the highest on record for a first quarter and surpasses the mark for a full budget year of $454.8 billion set last year.
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Dear Richard,
1. Because rating agencies now predate prostitution as the oldest occupation in human history.
2. Because if they down-rated the dollar they would have to close shop the next day.
Take your pick. I know you can add more.
Jim
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
I know! i saw that chart a
I know! i saw that chart a few days ago.. maybe you can get jeff340987 to send that to mish and explain how social mood will overcome this! what a joke some people are!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
"maybe you can get
"maybe you can get jeff340987 to send that to mish and explain how social mood will overcome this! what a joke some people are!"
no rude comments sierra. if you can follow that simple rule with those who disagree with you (like the owner of this site!) then I think people would be more prone to listen to you man.
lmao.. cut and paste idiot
lmao.. cut and paste idiot is what jeff340987 calls me.. but when he does it(see post below) its ok! kinda hypocritical ya think??!!!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
neo first you should mind
neo first you should mind your own business.. go back to all the posts where this rude imbecile butted his nose in conversations that were none of his business and called me cut and paste idiot, etc etc etc.. I don't know about you but when supposide highly enlightened, highly educated idiots start the trash talking first by basically saying you have the iq of a rat, I take offense to that.. especially when these highly educated individuals ignore the facts! I could care less if the owner of this site disagrees with me?? you think he is superman because he has a Ron Paul site? all he does is spew prechter.. but when asked a direct question he doesn't answer! so go back and look at who started the no rude comments first neo.. I am not a person who takes anything laying down.. and I did not start rude comments first..
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
hmmmm
"and I did not start rude comments first.."
yes, you did. As for being a cut and paster.......you are. You are heavily prone to not answering questions asked of you when it's not found in your copy/paste of jsmineset/butler/kitco as well.
Example:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/79263?page=1
"On January 15th, 2009 SIERRAHPBT says:
Mike,
Money can enter the system other then loans!
Yes, how?
On January 15th, 2009 Michael Nystrom says:
I'd be very curious to know that.
The dollar is a debt instrument. Money only enters the system by being loaned into existence. It begins when the Fed loans the Treasury money in exchange for Treasury bonds. This is the alchemy of monetary creation."
You have yet to respond to the owner of this site with an answer. You constantly belittle others that don't agree with the inflationists and are basically an internet bully imo. I, for one, wish you would just go away. I don't see you bringing anything productive to this board in any way whatsoever.
p.s.
"I don't know about you but when supposide highly enlightened, highly educated idiots start the trash talking first by basically saying you have the iq of a rat, I take offense to that.."
Actually, it's spelled supposed. Perhaps that is where the rat i.q. perception is emanating from rather than a difference of opinion in regards to inflation/deflation?
also neo I know how to spell
also neo I know how to spell I have never taken a typing class and I have to go back all the time to correct my typing.. it gets old having to do that.. I really don't care if words are misspelled or what ever.. my point gets across.. what is funny is this.. I have owned and opporated my own business for 21 years now.. i have been in good times and bad.. I deal with economic decisions every day.. I have yet to see jzneff or you or jeff345509 or even nystrom tell anyone what they do for a living! oh you work someone else?? you don't have to make those decisions? you don't see prices still rising? remember this.. I bough gold at 255 and 275 an ounce in 99' I saw the bottom.. I invest for the long haul not the short.. I have read prechter, schiff, have subscribed to russell for 18 years now. also in my opinion Richard maybury has the best finger on the pulse of the economy out of all of them except for Ron Paul! what theose mentioned above is that they follow the keynsian theory.. they may not support it but they think this is what is going to happen when the fed does this that or the other.. the problem is.. the markets are manipulated. Prechters charts do not account for decisions that governments make. Prechter was calling for this "deflation" 20 years ago! It never came.. go and look at the chart E_ posted on this thread... deflation? lol
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
I'll add this to the SIERRAHPBT idiot archives
I'll add this to the SIERRAHPBT idiot archives
SIERRAHPBT you already told us how old you are. Are you now saying you took over your family owned business when you were in your early 20's, yeah right! ..lol That's almost as funny as your claim of watching the gold and silver market in when you were 14 and 15. Or this summer telling all of us silver was more valuable then gold and should be $100 maybe $1000 an oz by now. And what happened to silver at $25 an oz by Thanksgiving, and double that by February?
The fact that you deal with economic decisions related to your business everyday, does not make you an expert on the economy, especially the financial markets! That is like saying because you eat fruits and vegetables everyday you are a fruit and vegetable expert.
Btw, you were not the only person that bought gold in the high 200's. And that doesn't make you an expert on gold either. As for your terrible spelling, or poor typing skills, download a free spell check program for crying out loud. Misspelled words to do help you get your point across.
Thank you again for giving me more files for my SIERRAHPBT idiot achieves collection. You continue to give me endless hours of entertainment to share with my friends. Keep up the good work!
yes you idiot actually I
yes you idiot actually I bought my father out when I was 25 years old! as far as silver morevaluable then gold... yes it is there are 6 billion ounces of gold above ground that can be traded .. there are 1 billion ounces of silver above ground that can be traded that is a fact my idiot friend! secondly the high living standard that you live in is a direct product of silver and its many uses in manufacturing products that you use to have a high standard of living.. gold is used in very few products that makes life easier.. without silver we would still be living in the 1940's! so if you think of it that way,, yes silver is more valuable then gold! at some point the market will see this and react to it! again with prices of metals.. the markets are manipulated. if you do not see this it is because you do not do research! ahh so you bought gold in the 200's? you the anti gold bug! thats funny! as for me watching the gold market when I was 14 or 15? please go back and find the post where I stated that.. another lie! your not doing to good Jeff! I will agree with not having very good typing skills.. but ya know what I don't really care! take your buttplug out JEFF I know it gives you tons of pleaseure but your so backed up its effecting your thinking! Now for facts.. you were the fool who said that we were going to have a mild recession and be coming out of it in the 3rd or 4rth quarter last year.. you were the fool who called me an idiot for saying the fed was going to lower interest rates.. you were the fool who said interest rates were going to start going up in october or sometime in the 4rth quarter.. where are they now mr. expert in economics?? 0 to .25%! lmao you blew that one! I have never seen you have the BALLS to even make a prediction! now should we get into the post of all idiot posts where you call Gold a fiat currency! LMAO! you do not have a clue! you are a balless, dickless moron! I think its time you quit hiding behind your keyboard and send me a private email.. then we will just see who you are and what you do! wanna make a bet you won't do that? you are a coward! pure and simple! now since you are the foremost expert in economics on the daily paul .. tell us who you are and what you do! put some credentials behind your BS! also here is a little article for you on your boy Prechter.. Alph Field is an elliot wave theorist also! why would he get it right and Prechter didn't!
http://www.kitco.com/ind/Field/dec022008.html
So much for your boy Prechter..
you have told me on many occasions that sierrahpbt.. even a clock is right twice a day! you should go back over your posts and count how many times you said that! that is funny! You Jeff are a static thinker.. you can think of things that happen in the present.. you are not a Linear thinker who can think in terms of things evolving in the future! tsk tsk tsk.
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
I suppose you didn't read
I suppose you didn't read this!
WASHINGTON (AP) — The federal government already has run up a record deficit of $485.2 billion in just the first three months of the current budget year. And economists say the imbalance for the full year could easily top $1 trillion, pushed to that eye-popping level by the spending the government is likely to do to combat the recession and the most severe financial crisis in generations.
The Treasury Department reported Tuesday that the deficit for December totaled $83.6 billion, a sharp deterioration from a year ago when the government managed a surplus of $48.3 billion.
another thing being talked about already in congress is unemployment extensions and the raising of the amounts! it can go on and on! and the whole time the dollar is being destroyed.. slowly but surley!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
well gee excuse me neo i did
well gee excuse me neo i did not see that.. to answer your question! public works or infrastructure projects.. that will put billions into the economy... purchase of weapons and start an even larger war which is exactly what we are seeing in the middle east and asia! these are only 2 ways.. there are many more ways the government can go around the banks! the banks! what did FDR do? Obamama is already talking about a civilian (brownshirts) program to be as well funded and equipped as the military! How many kids need a paycheck that can't find work now! go to shadow stats the true unemployment rate is 16%! those paychecks will be spent! what is the military budget 2 trillion dollars? putting all these people on a payroll.. thats another way to circumvent the banks! think! I have seen a post on line where a small bank recieved a 35 million dollar check from the fed.. the note with it said cash the check in 2 to 3 months and this money can only be used to make loans to the public! inflation /deflation does not start and stop at the treasury bonds! just wait till china stops buying our debt as they have been threatning to do in the past couple weeks and all those dollars come home! you think no inflation will result from that? ahhh well they need us to buy their junk... GUESS WHAT.. WE HAVE ALREADY STOPPED BUYING THEIR JUNK! they don't care!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
This guy Swensen is unreal!! 28% return from a hedge fund!!!
You know what I'm thinking.
Read this stuff. What suspicions of a ponzi scheme have I!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/business/27yale.html?em&ex...
Social Mood Will Define The Future
Social Mood Will Define The Future
Boomers have known only inflationary or reflationary conditions for most, if not all of their conscious lives. Here is the pattern: Want, work, borrow, spend, enjoy, and worry about the bills tomorrow, as if tomorrow would never come.
Now tomorrow is dawning, the bills are due, and boomers are now entering end of life with a need to consume what they perceived would be a treasure chest of accumulated wealth that would allow them to sustain their inflationary lifestyles to life's end.
However, that wealth has now vanished in a giant deflationary two-step of collapsing home prices and a collapsing stock market. Note that those are symptoms of deflation not proof of it.
However, 15 out of 15 things one might expect to see happen during deflation are happening now, as detailed in Humpty Dumpty on Inflation.
Material living standards and associated expectations among even the lower working class and poor in the western nations have been raised to levels that will not likely be maintained during a secular deflationary crisis, let alone permit the lifestyles of the upper working class, professional middle class, and wealthy to remain intact.
Is Deflation A Government Choice?
Most still believe in the Fed's ability to inflate another bubble. They are mistaken. Instead I offer a Crash Course For Bernanke.
Greenspan had the wind of consumers' willingness and ability to go deeper in debt at his back. Bernanke has the wind of boomers fearing retirement in the midst of falling home prices and impaired bank balance sheets blowing stiffly in his face. There is no cure for what ails us other than time and price. And with the aforementioned attitude changes, the biggest, most reckless, global credit expansion experiment the world has ever seen is coming to an end. Central banks are powerless to do anything about it.
I know that in theory a determined government can always produce hyperinflation if it wants, I have heard that story 1000 times. If it was so simple in practice, however, yields would not be at 0%. Right now, the important thing to note is that even with massive "stimulus", thus far it's dwarfed by the implosion of credit and the trillions of dollars worth of writedowns and bankruptcies that are coming. Japan tried for years to combat deflation and failed.
Government Bonds A Good Bet
In contrast to the Bottom Callers In Junk, Hugh Hendry from Eclectica told CNBC, Government Bonds Still Best Bet.
The video is quite interesting and I recommend listening to it in entirety. With everyone up in arms over the so-called "bond bubble", Hendry has a much more pragmatic view, quite similar to mine. Here is a partial transcript of points Hendry made.
* When it comes to treasuries I don't care about the next 30 years, I care about the next 30 months.
* The Euro is a flawed mechanism and that spells trouble.
* There is no money on the sidelines. We have had one of the most profound periods of wealth destruction in the last 12 month. Billionaires are throwing themselves in front of trains. Sideline cash is a myth.
* Debt of all forms went from a generational low of 110% of GDP in 1974 to 360% of GDP recently. We have supersized everything. In 25 years it will be back at 110% of GDP. That has profound implications on valuations and asset classes. It puts a downward damper on everything.
I agree with Hendry's line of thinking, and even more so with all the bottom callers everywhere else. Would I want to buy treasuries for 30 years? Of course not. But that does not make them a good short either, not right now, and certainly not at 5% when many started. Ten year treasury yields are likely to stay under 5% for a long time to come.
Whether or not one considers treasuries to be in a bubble, should depend on a frame of reference. I would rather worry about the next two years than the 28 years that follow. Given that a deflationary environment that might last longer than most think, I see no reason to be shorting treasuries here except for a technical scalp. One could just as easily go long, given the wind is still at the back.
Multi-Generational Pendulum Shift In Attitudes
Most simply do not grasp the once in a multi-generational pendulum shift from risk taking to risk aversion. The credit bubble has burst and we are on the back side of Peak Credit.
As determined as Bernanke is, the best he will be able to do is drag things out for years, making zomibified banks in the process. Those who suggest The US Government Will Not Choose Deflation, simply have it wrong. Attitudes are the key and a secular change in attitudes from consumption to savings is now underway. And that attitude is what is going to define the deflationary years that follow, regardless of what government wants.
Mike "Mish" Shedlock
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com
glad to see you are still
glad to see you are still around jeff!
social mood......
social mood...... lmao! thats about as good as gold being a fiat currency!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
bum for others
bump.
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Thanks for posting this...
I like his 772 target, but it could be a little lower.
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you would have thought Gold
you would have thought Gold would have dropped like a stone like oil. Gold has actually held up pretty good.. Lindsey Williams is correct. Oil was MANIPULATED down.. Question is can gold be that way also?
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show