Submitted by meekandmild on Fri, 01/23/2009 - 15:32.
As we know it? We're following the same steps as the USSR. The Economy was the demise of their country. How long is our future as a country as we know it?
Submitted by fightapathy on Thu, 01/22/2009 - 09:21.
The severe setback for the GOP is only temporary. This same spirit sweeping across America right now was EXACTLY the same as in 1993. Democrats had ruled Congress for 50 years, there was a youthful Democrat President with a host of "change" on the horizon...
And they totally screwed it up, because the Dems were psychopathic retards.
And 1994 rolled in with the Republican revolution. Victory, the contract with America, and optimism, and hope for a more sensible place in this post-Cold War world.
And they totally screwed it up, because the Republicans couldn't take the heat and fled the kitchen.
1995's wonderful government shutdown, followed by the end of the Contract (both Dem victories all thanks to the media), followed by HIPAA and out of control healthcare price increases.
The Reps decided to do business with the Dems to keep their own power. They got selfish, fat, and lazy.
But the Dems are exactly the same. Bereft of ideas, shallow, stupid, selfish.
Don't worry. Big Govt. Dems will blunder and be thrown out by a shell shocked populace who'll want change.
And the fat, lazy big govt. Reps will step right back in, offering "CHANGGGGGGGGE!"
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Submitted by Kevin Tuma on Fri, 01/23/2009 - 15:44.
..if they mess with guns or gun control. That's the new third rail in American politics. You touch it, and you will be fried by the electorate.
If Obama doesn't mess with our guns and ammo, we could be looking at a long, slow decline for the GOP. After Herbert Hoover, it was twenty years before another Republican sat in the White House. The GOP is also in decline across the board in state governorships, Congress, and legislatures.
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Regarding Palin: I believe we are watching in real time the rise of the third party, which will be controlled by the powers that be from its' inception.
Submitted by e_goldstein on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 21:36.
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Excepting Ron Paul, I think the Republicans ran the biggest sucks they could find compared to the Democrats ecepting Hillary.
Hell, I even think Obama was the most personable and electable.
I just can't say enough how I hated the Reublican canidates.
I hope Chuck Hagle runs in 2012
In Senator Hagel's new book, America: Our Next Chapter, he suggests that the United States should adopt independent leadership and possibly another political party. He also believes that the Iraq War is one of the five biggest blunders in history. Hagel is critical of George W. Bush's foreign policy, calling it "reckless." He has been a major critic of the war since it started, and has stated that the United States should learn from its mistakes in the Vietnam War. He considers Bush's foreign policy a "ping pong game with American lives".
Since 2007 I have attended my local GOP meetings. When it comes to lower taxes and less spending, the rank and file is 100% in agreement. But when it comes to fighting terrorists, they have been in total support of Bush's foreign policy, including preemptive war. In fact, to be opposed is heresy with my fellow republicans here in Iowa. In addition, they may be all "gung ho" for the Second Amendment, but they are in favor of the Patriot Act and rationalize the loss of our liberties.
If things are to change with regard to war policy and upholding the Constitution, it will be up to the younger generation in the GOP. And that's only if they are not bullied or brainwashed by their elders. I can't see any of my fellow republicans all of a sudden changing their minds about Bush's war policies.
Submitted by spacehabitats on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 19:12.
Just for the record, I think the author is right on the money when he portrays the Republican presidents (and their administrations) as being relentlessly hypocritical when it comes to following through with their campaign rhetoric.
To that list I would add almost all of the GOP congressional leadership.
But they have also relentlessly ignored the Republican party platform which is much more in harmony with libertarian principles AND more representative of what most GOP members believe.
I resent his blanket condemnation of all "Republicans" as if we were some type of homogeneous group of ideologues.
Why is it that he assumes that what the MSM portrays as the GOP rank and file is accurate and not THEIR own carefully filtered and unrepresentative sampling of a very diverse group?
Anyone who worked on Ron Paul's presidential campaign should know the tremendous forces that the political establishment can utilize to protect the status quo. They should also know how easy it is to marginalize and "disappear" their opponents.
Many of us have been frustrated to tears with the repeated betrayals by "our" leaders. The fact that we have been ineffectual in changing the course of the party does not mean that we don't exist.
To add insult to injury he goes on to state:
I don't expect the GOP to change because I don't think the party or anyone in it is capable of changing. Ron Paul simply won't take the party over. The truth is Americans like their government handouts, especially middle class folks. They don't like handouts going to the undeserving and unproductive, but the productive and deserving, heck yeah, subsidize their home loans, college educations, health care and pensions.
What ridiculous stereotyping. And how arrogant of him to assume that he knows the minds of most Republicans (let alone middle class Americans) well enough to make such sweeping generalities.
But I guess if he can convince enough libertarians that the cause is hopeless, he will succeed in turning his predictions into self-fulfilling prophecies.
Every other conversation is silly. Raising money to try to out fund-raise the banksters is almost comical, except I am one of the suckers that just tried to do that, can't laugh too hard. As long as they control the currency, they don't care who we run. Even we can have every office in every government, they will still own the media, the educational systems, and the clergy. Stop tilting at windmills, get a firm grip on the people that are actually oppressing you. Organizations do not oppress, people do. Rothschilds', for instance.
We just need to take over the brand name and run it as our own. Screw a third party. Ron Paul will run as a republican again. Why? Well if he got this far with media bias and the only thing he had was the republican name then hell. Why step backwards to continue the momentum moving forward. We are legion. All we need is the media on ourside. When 2012 rolls around they won't know what hit them. The sheep that is. If Ron Paul falls into a third party the sheep will say "Look thats the guy who thought he was a republican but was actually what the media called him. A cringer.". It would destroy our movement if he ran third party and he knows this.
it, is dead for all the reasons given in this thread and in the original post. So the question is...Do we resuscitate along libertarian lines? Who reforms and remolds it? Or, do we abandon it all together?
My own belief is that the future of the r3volution is in building coalitions around specific issues. Foreign policy might be issue #1?
Attempting to rescusitate the GOP will do nothing but play into the hands of the power brokers by realigning the same old left/right paradigm. By building power around specific issues of liberty and Constitutionallity, party lines can be breached and a new Liberty party may evolve from it. IMO, Constitutional Money should be the first strategic target, for it will expose much of the corruption in the process, bring many other isssues including foreign policy into question, and it is an issue for which party has no bearing. The key is for the People to start setting the agenda instead of letting them do so.
that's really the genesis of the GOP. The slow rising of a Liberty Party would be a fine thing to be part of.
Constitutional Money (I like the sound of that!) would be my #1 choice except it may be that the system is so broken and the situation such a mess, that no politcal acts can put it right. Foreign policy may stand a better chance?? I truly don't know. But it appears to be something on which liberals and conservatives have some common understandings.
At this point, I think disregarding any option would be a mistake. It is very early in the r3volution process. The limited government idea could take hold within the Repub party from the grassroots up, if so good. If not shed that label and keep pushing the liberty message. I think things will look a lot different in the coming years.
Just recently, I believe within the last two days, Ann Coulter said that Ron Paul is the leading candidate for the future of the GOP... or something like that.
Submitted by DrKrbyLuv on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 17:00.
If the GOP is dead...I say good riddance. They take conservatives, libertarians, constitutionalists, small government advocates from viable third party candidates and give them to Federal Reserve butt kissing politicians.
Submitted by GeneLouis on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 16:56.
Except in rare cases, the Republicans and Democrats have a brand name. When you go into a store, you will probably choose a brand name and ignore an unknown unless you had taken the time to research the purchase.
So, as much as you hate it, unless you can figure out a way to turn a third party into another major brand, there is no chance of succeeding with a third party.
The only solution that I see at this pont is to dominate the Republican Party with freedom seekers AND... at the same time, be prepared for a possible perfect storm that would make it possible to successfully jump ship to a third party.
Submitted by quiltingsando on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 16:44.
observations, thanks. I think a third party will have more of a chance than the Republicans these days. To much bad baggage from the last administration. Just my two cents
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Submitted by pawnstorm12 on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 16:12.
Reagan did talk a good game but that's about it.
It's to the point I'm afraid, where if anyone speaks of downsizing federal government...
...They just kill 'em.
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Submitted by Kevin Tuma on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 16:22.
When he started out, he was anti-CFR and pro-leave-me-alone libertarianism. He thought he could change things by working within the GOP and the existing power structure.
He was wrong.
A lot of people paint Reagan as some sort of phony, or betrayer of sorts. I can't see that. What Reagan was, was one in a long line of people who thought he could change the world by taking the Republican Party "back to its roots". This is a failing proposition, as the GOP has no such roots.
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Submitted by samadamscw on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 14:36.
over Federal power vs. State autonomy.
They were NEVER about State's Rights or Individual Liberty. The Republican Party has always by its fruits, been a party of privilege and cronyism. What we in Louisiana call "the good 'ole boy network." (democrats have just gone plain stupid since the turn of last century)
And it's past stinks to high heaven. It was organized by Freemasons and that's exactly how the party operates. Those at the bottom know nothing and, if they don't go along they never rise. Those at the top call all the shots.
Politics is a two headed hydra. The party system is the three ring circus which keeps everyone busy and hopeful that they can "change" things. Actually, its nothing but a hamster wheel ... spinning, spinning, spinning and going nowhere while the dirty dealers at the top sell the little hamsters to the fat cats.
We now have a bona fide communist in the White House. Last I heard, communists can sometimes gain power in a seemingly legitimate way, but seldom do they relinquish it without a bloodbath. I think people who are waiting for 2012 are being wildly optimistic The choice (if there is one) will be between Comrade D and Comrade R. Remember, the Soviets hold elections too.
Submitted by Kevin Tuma on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 14:58.
The reason Third Parties failed last year was because Ron Paul didn't choose one. Barr was universally despised by practically everyone, and Chuck Baldwin was, and is, a complete unknown with no government resume. Hence they didn't break the one percent column. And regardless of what you think of Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader, the fact of the matter is that this is a libertarian movement, not a left-progressive one.
Even with widespread voter fraud, if Dr. Paul had run on a Third Party last year, he wouldn't have won, but he WOULD have brought said Third Party to life, and given it tremendous power.
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That was the reason he should have run as a third party candidate. I suppose he would have had to relinquish his Republican congressional bid, but, obviously, he could have run on a third party ticket for that too. And I bet he would have won! He might not have the "power" he gets as a Republican congressman but, hey, that's probably more an illusion anyway.
We could have been a lot farther along ... organizing, growing, threatening the status quo ... if he had only bolted the Republicans. As the powers that be bring down the economy, give away our money and create new crises, the new party would have started looking a lot more attractive to folks finally waking up (and they will be waking up from here on out).
If ever we get another chance, we'd best not make the same mistake. I understand why, pragmatically, he did what he did, but cutting the cord on people's enthusiasm and hope is suicide for such a movement. Everything just deflated. Oh well, spilt milk.
Submitted by Kevin Tuma on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 19:47.
In my opinion, he has low self-esteem...he's very humble, modest---he does not know what sort of power he can wield. I think that's the reason he stays in the GOP as a congressman.
I knew for nine full months last year that he didn't have a prayer of winning the GOP presidential nomination--it was essentially over the day of the New Hampshire primary. And yet on we went, fantasizing some sort of 'open convention' rubbish, or McCain stepping down due to "ill health." What a waste of mental energy.
Can Ron win on a Third Party? I think his odds would at least be better than running for president on the GOP. But I will vote for him on whatever ticket he chooses to run.
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Submitted by Kevin Tuma on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 09:20.
I don't think it's a delusion of grandeur to say that. If they ignore us and cackle at Dr. Paul's ideas any longer, they do so at their own peril.
Because that party has no future without us--it's not sustainable. Bush is the essence of Herbert Hoover and Nixon combined. He all but destroyed the party, or I should say, the New World Order special interests that controlled the party all but destroyed it. Their only chance of political survival is a hard turn to the Right, and I don't see it happening if the same Rockefeller wing stays in control.
Not to say that they can't maintain power in many respects, but they may deevolve to a Third Party over time without any principles or conservatism.
If Ron Paul jumped ship in 2012 and ran on the Libertarian Party ticket, he might not win, but he would certainly ensure that the GOP would lose. They need him and they need us. I'm still mentally picturing McCain and Romney snickering at him on camera, as if he was a crazy old uncle that no one takes seriously.
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Submitted by ShannonOBrien on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 11:38.
Mainstream republicans don't seem to understand that when your main objective is just winning, you end up with bad candidates.
I was looking at this website that was talking about the different generations. It said that there is the "Silent Generation" (1925-1945) and the "Baby Boomers" (1946-1954) and that pretty much makes up the Republican party right now. There is pretty much nobody under the age of 45 there. They completely ignored all the younger generations. They skipped 3 of them. And we are the third one. This is what the website said about our generation:
1980-2000
Generation Y has emerged as a powerful political and social force. Millennials are the largest generation in American history. Born between 1980 and 2000, they are 95 million strong, compared to 78 million Baby Boomers.
I actually think it goes back further than 1980 but that's ok.
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The question is: Is there a future for our country?
As we know it? We're following the same steps as the USSR. The Economy was the demise of their country. How long is our future as a country as we know it?
The severe setback for the
The severe setback for the GOP is only temporary. This same spirit sweeping across America right now was EXACTLY the same as in 1993. Democrats had ruled Congress for 50 years, there was a youthful Democrat President with a host of "change" on the horizon...
And they totally screwed it up, because the Dems were psychopathic retards.
And 1994 rolled in with the Republican revolution. Victory, the contract with America, and optimism, and hope for a more sensible place in this post-Cold War world.
And they totally screwed it up, because the Republicans couldn't take the heat and fled the kitchen.
1995's wonderful government shutdown, followed by the end of the Contract (both Dem victories all thanks to the media), followed by HIPAA and out of control healthcare price increases.
The Reps decided to do business with the Dems to keep their own power. They got selfish, fat, and lazy.
But the Dems are exactly the same. Bereft of ideas, shallow, stupid, selfish.
Don't worry. Big Govt. Dems will blunder and be thrown out by a shell shocked populace who'll want change.
And the fat, lazy big govt. Reps will step right back in, offering "CHANGGGGGGGGE!"
"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"
I'd say the Democrats' reign is only temporary...
..if they mess with guns or gun control. That's the new third rail in American politics. You touch it, and you will be fried by the electorate.
If Obama doesn't mess with our guns and ammo, we could be looking at a long, slow decline for the GOP. After Herbert Hoover, it was twenty years before another Republican sat in the White House. The GOP is also in decline across the board in state governorships, Congress, and legislatures.
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Agreed...
In 2 years maybe, Certainly in 4 the GOP will be back in the game .
This is to big of an opportunity not to screw up. The Dems have what it takes to do it. Hubris and Self Righteousness.
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Although a conserative
Excepting Ron Paul, I think the Republicans ran the biggest sucks they could find compared to the Democrats ecepting Hillary.
Hell, I even think Obama was the most personable and electable.
I just can't say enough how I hated the Reublican canidates.
I hope Chuck Hagle runs in 2012
In Senator Hagel's new book, America: Our Next Chapter, he suggests that the United States should adopt independent leadership and possibly another political party. He also believes that the Iraq War is one of the five biggest blunders in history. Hagel is critical of George W. Bush's foreign policy, calling it "reckless." He has been a major critic of the war since it started, and has stated that the United States should learn from its mistakes in the Vietnam War. He considers Bush's foreign policy a "ping pong game with American lives".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel
Since 2007 I have attended
Since 2007 I have attended my local GOP meetings. When it comes to lower taxes and less spending, the rank and file is 100% in agreement. But when it comes to fighting terrorists, they have been in total support of Bush's foreign policy, including preemptive war. In fact, to be opposed is heresy with my fellow republicans here in Iowa. In addition, they may be all "gung ho" for the Second Amendment, but they are in favor of the Patriot Act and rationalize the loss of our liberties.
If things are to change with regard to war policy and upholding the Constitution, it will be up to the younger generation in the GOP. And that's only if they are not bullied or brainwashed by their elders. I can't see any of my fellow republicans all of a sudden changing their minds about Bush's war policies.
Reality check
Just for the record, I think the author is right on the money when he portrays the Republican presidents (and their administrations) as being relentlessly hypocritical when it comes to following through with their campaign rhetoric.
To that list I would add almost all of the GOP congressional leadership.
But they have also relentlessly ignored the Republican party platform which is much more in harmony with libertarian principles AND more representative of what most GOP members believe.
I resent his blanket condemnation of all "Republicans" as if we were some type of homogeneous group of ideologues.
Why is it that he assumes that what the MSM portrays as the GOP rank and file is accurate and not THEIR own carefully filtered and unrepresentative sampling of a very diverse group?
Anyone who worked on Ron Paul's presidential campaign should know the tremendous forces that the political establishment can utilize to protect the status quo. They should also know how easy it is to marginalize and "disappear" their opponents.
Many of us have been frustrated to tears with the repeated betrayals by "our" leaders. The fact that we have been ineffectual in changing the course of the party does not mean that we don't exist.
To add insult to injury he goes on to state:
What ridiculous stereotyping. And how arrogant of him to assume that he knows the minds of most Republicans (let alone middle class Americans) well enough to make such sweeping generalities.
But I guess if he can convince enough libertarians that the cause is hopeless, he will succeed in turning his predictions into self-fulfilling prophecies.
But who needs this?
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Good call! There seems to be a increasing amount of this going on in these forums- which is starting to smell of Trolls....
Arrest the Rothschilds, then maybe a political party is worth it
Every other conversation is silly. Raising money to try to out fund-raise the banksters is almost comical, except I am one of the suckers that just tried to do that, can't laugh too hard. As long as they control the currency, they don't care who we run. Even we can have every office in every government, they will still own the media, the educational systems, and the clergy. Stop tilting at windmills, get a firm grip on the people that are actually oppressing you. Organizations do not oppress, people do. Rothschilds', for instance.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
The future of the GOP is us
We just need to take over the brand name and run it as our own. Screw a third party. Ron Paul will run as a republican again. Why? Well if he got this far with media bias and the only thing he had was the republican name then hell. Why step backwards to continue the momentum moving forward. We are legion. All we need is the media on ourside. When 2012 rolls around they won't know what hit them. The sheep that is. If Ron Paul falls into a third party the sheep will say "Look thats the guy who thought he was a republican but was actually what the media called him. A cringer.". It would destroy our movement if he ran third party and he knows this.
IMHO the GOP, as we know
it, is dead for all the reasons given in this thread and in the original post. So the question is...Do we resuscitate along libertarian lines? Who reforms and remolds it? Or, do we abandon it all together?
My own belief is that the future of the r3volution is in building coalitions around specific issues. Foreign policy might be issue #1?
h-daddy
This is the answer.
Attempting to rescusitate the GOP will do nothing but play into the hands of the power brokers by realigning the same old left/right paradigm. By building power around specific issues of liberty and Constitutionallity, party lines can be breached and a new Liberty party may evolve from it. IMO, Constitutional Money should be the first strategic target, for it will expose much of the corruption in the process, bring many other isssues including foreign policy into question, and it is an issue for which party has no bearing. The key is for the People to start setting the agenda instead of letting them do so.
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Yes! Indeed coalitions tend to propagate political parties..
that's really the genesis of the GOP. The slow rising of a Liberty Party would be a fine thing to be part of.
Constitutional Money (I like the sound of that!) would be my #1 choice except it may be that the system is so broken and the situation such a mess, that no politcal acts can put it right. Foreign policy may stand a better chance?? I truly don't know. But it appears to be something on which liberals and conservatives have some common understandings.
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Abandon and reform-remold
At this point, I think disregarding any option would be a mistake. It is very early in the r3volution process. The limited government idea could take hold within the Repub party from the grassroots up, if so good. If not shed that label and keep pushing the liberty message. I think things will look a lot different in the coming years.
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Just recently, I believe
Just recently, I believe within the last two days, Ann Coulter said that Ron Paul is the leading candidate for the future of the GOP... or something like that.
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GOP RIP
If the GOP is dead...I say good riddance. They take conservatives, libertarians, constitutionalists, small government advocates from viable third party candidates and give them to Federal Reserve butt kissing politicians.
END the GOP...
END the FED before it ENDS US
END the FED before it ENDS US
Brand Names are not built overnight
Except in rare cases, the Republicans and Democrats have a brand name. When you go into a store, you will probably choose a brand name and ignore an unknown unless you had taken the time to research the purchase.
So, as much as you hate it, unless you can figure out a way to turn a third party into another major brand, there is no chance of succeeding with a third party.
The only solution that I see at this pont is to dominate the Republican Party with freedom seekers AND... at the same time, be prepared for a possible perfect storm that would make it possible to successfully jump ship to a third party.
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Good insightful
observations, thanks. I think a third party will have more of a chance than the Republicans these days. To much bad baggage from the last administration. Just my two cents
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Very sadly true.
Reagan did talk a good game but that's about it.
It's to the point I'm afraid, where if anyone speaks of downsizing federal government...
...They just kill 'em.
"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul
Reagan tried to work within the existing system.
When he started out, he was anti-CFR and pro-leave-me-alone libertarianism. He thought he could change things by working within the GOP and the existing power structure.
He was wrong.
A lot of people paint Reagan as some sort of phony, or betrayer of sorts. I can't see that. What Reagan was, was one in a long line of people who thought he could change the world by taking the Republican Party "back to its roots". This is a failing proposition, as the GOP has no such roots.
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The very first Republican president started a civil war
over Federal power vs. State autonomy.
They were NEVER about State's Rights or Individual Liberty. The Republican Party has always by its fruits, been a party of privilege and cronyism. What we in Louisiana call "the good 'ole boy network." (democrats have just gone plain stupid since the turn of last century)
Truely, it has no future
And it's past stinks to high heaven. It was organized by Freemasons and that's exactly how the party operates. Those at the bottom know nothing and, if they don't go along they never rise. Those at the top call all the shots.
Politics is a two headed hydra. The party system is the three ring circus which keeps everyone busy and hopeful that they can "change" things. Actually, its nothing but a hamster wheel ... spinning, spinning, spinning and going nowhere while the dirty dealers at the top sell the little hamsters to the fat cats.
We now have a bona fide communist in the White House. Last I heard, communists can sometimes gain power in a seemingly legitimate way, but seldom do they relinquish it without a bloodbath. I think people who are waiting for 2012 are being wildly optimistic The choice (if there is one) will be between Comrade D and Comrade R. Remember, the Soviets hold elections too.
Completely agree, Mike...
and it saddens me that Dr. Paul had to run as a republican but, there was no way around the duopoly.
There might be a way around it, but Ron Paul's the key.
The reason Third Parties failed last year was because Ron Paul didn't choose one. Barr was universally despised by practically everyone, and Chuck Baldwin was, and is, a complete unknown with no government resume. Hence they didn't break the one percent column. And regardless of what you think of Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader, the fact of the matter is that this is a libertarian movement, not a left-progressive one.
Even with widespread voter fraud, if Dr. Paul had run on a Third Party last year, he wouldn't have won, but he WOULD have brought said Third Party to life, and given it tremendous power.
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I agree completely!
That was the reason he should have run as a third party candidate. I suppose he would have had to relinquish his Republican congressional bid, but, obviously, he could have run on a third party ticket for that too. And I bet he would have won! He might not have the "power" he gets as a Republican congressman but, hey, that's probably more an illusion anyway.
We could have been a lot farther along ... organizing, growing, threatening the status quo ... if he had only bolted the Republicans. As the powers that be bring down the economy, give away our money and create new crises, the new party would have started looking a lot more attractive to folks finally waking up (and they will be waking up from here on out).
If ever we get another chance, we'd best not make the same mistake. I understand why, pragmatically, he did what he did, but cutting the cord on people's enthusiasm and hope is suicide for such a movement. Everything just deflated. Oh well, spilt milk.
It's Dr. Paul's choice.
In my opinion, he has low self-esteem...he's very humble, modest---he does not know what sort of power he can wield. I think that's the reason he stays in the GOP as a congressman.
I knew for nine full months last year that he didn't have a prayer of winning the GOP presidential nomination--it was essentially over the day of the New Hampshire primary. And yet on we went, fantasizing some sort of 'open convention' rubbish, or McCain stepping down due to "ill health." What a waste of mental energy.
Can Ron win on a Third Party? I think his odds would at least be better than running for president on the GOP. But I will vote for him on whatever ticket he chooses to run.
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I think WE are their future.
I don't think it's a delusion of grandeur to say that. If they ignore us and cackle at Dr. Paul's ideas any longer, they do so at their own peril.
Because that party has no future without us--it's not sustainable. Bush is the essence of Herbert Hoover and Nixon combined. He all but destroyed the party, or I should say, the New World Order special interests that controlled the party all but destroyed it. Their only chance of political survival is a hard turn to the Right, and I don't see it happening if the same Rockefeller wing stays in control.
Not to say that they can't maintain power in many respects, but they may deevolve to a Third Party over time without any principles or conservatism.
If Ron Paul jumped ship in 2012 and ran on the Libertarian Party ticket, he might not win, but he would certainly ensure that the GOP would lose. They need him and they need us. I'm still mentally picturing McCain and Romney snickering at him on camera, as if he was a crazy old uncle that no one takes seriously.
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Exactly
Mainstream republicans don't seem to understand that when your main objective is just winning, you end up with bad candidates.
I was looking at this website that was talking about the different generations. It said that there is the "Silent Generation" (1925-1945) and the "Baby Boomers" (1946-1954) and that pretty much makes up the Republican party right now. There is pretty much nobody under the age of 45 there. They completely ignored all the younger generations. They skipped 3 of them. And we are the third one. This is what the website said about our generation:
1980-2000
Generation Y has emerged as a powerful political and social force. Millennials are the largest generation in American history. Born between 1980 and 2000, they are 95 million strong, compared to 78 million Baby Boomers.
I actually think it goes back further than 1980 but that's ok.
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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul