L.A. Times: Google has started lobbying to get the internet regulated (!)

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1.24.09 - L.A. Times: Google ready to pursue its agenda in Washington

The regulation goes by the nice sounding term "Net Neutrality." Oh lord...

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As has been stated before

Fortune Favors the Bold

net neutrality is a solution in need of a problem. I understand what google is concerned about, but couldn't they just publicise ISP's that make sweetheart deals?

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I think that there should be

I think that there should be no law passed.

The Ron Paul revolution is more than capable of making our own internet provider where we could use our values in our company's policy rather than have the government dictate it.
We have to remember that the government can always use regulation of the free market as a foot in the door for more power.

I work with high speed data networks for large corporations so I would definitely apply for a job with a freedom and liberty company.

Net Neutrality IS a GOOD thing!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality

Please, if you are going to discuss this, then please educate yourselves. This is not a bad thing. Do not let yourselves be duped!

~Your perception becomes your reality~

~Your perception becomes your reality~

NO it's not. Was the Patriot

NO it's not. Was the Patriot act a good thing? Are red light cameras a good thing? No they don't protect you they just monitor you and your life.

Do not give into evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it.

Do not give into evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it.

Do you understand the Internet?

The Internet is a distributed network that can survive a major nuclear attack across the infrastructure. Due to this distributed structure, no single company or group of companies can control data flow through the Internet. These fears that some company will throttle speeds just strike me as shockingly ignorant in areas like technology and innovation.

Read this article with Bob Khan, the father of the Internet, as he explains why he is against Net Neutrality:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/18/kahn_net_neutrality_...

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Fear.

Yes, this is another example of the elites creating fear in order to gain more governmental control over the means of production. It's really pitiful that many Paul supporters, above all, are falling for it hook line and sinker.

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Socialism indeed sounds like a good thing.

Let's socialize the internet. Give everyone equal access. Don't let private owners restrict access from the people.

No thanks. I think private property rights works better.

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Exactly

Don't you pro-NN people understand that gov't regulations on business are a violation of the business owners' rights?

Do they even care?

I doubt it.

They have the socialist mentality. How dare private owners control what properly belongs to "the people"? How dare someone give special privileges to those using their property just because they have more money to pay? I should have equal access even though I'm poor. This is classic socialist mentality.

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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
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Posting at the top of this thread as well as below...

because I want to make sure that anyone who has more information will share it. I think Net Neutrality is a good thing.

If I'm wrong please send me some proof. I know Google is not perfect, but how do you think the Internet will function if websites like this one are put on a second tier of service? Do you think we might not bother using all those sites we now use if they became extremely slow?

According to my understanding, the purpose of Net Neutrality is to provide equal access to the Internet for all sites.
I'll be happy to eat my words if anyone can prove otherwise.

To those who think it's not good from a business standpoint, I would have to say that is a matter of philosophy. I believe it is better for the freedom movement to have equal access, so I would propose it is a Hamilton vs. Jefferson style of disagreement. Do you think, as Jefferson, that all sites should be equal, or do think that, for a price, some should be "more equal" than others, as Hamilton would?

Pearl, you might wanna check out the threads below

"If I'm wrong please send me some proof. I know Google is not perfect, but how do you think the Internet will function if websites like this one are put on a second tier of service? Do you think we might not bother using all those sites we now use if they became extremely slow?"

There were some detailed discussions on this below, that imo answered all the concerns put forth by the pro-NN people.

Father of the Internet speaks out against NN

Bob Khan, considered a father of the Internet, is against it. He talks about his reasons why in this article:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/18/kahn_net_neutrality_...

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Don't worry

Some here are the other kind of sheep. It swings both ways. You have MSM sheep and you have anti-MSM sheep. Thank Odin I am a constitutional moderate. People need to learn how to research and analyze. Life gets a little more clearer if you can read.

Whoa! Check this link before you decide.

Not so fast. Did anyone read what Google is trying to do? They want to keep the internet open for everyone, not just big companies who can afford to buy up all the bandwidth and then restrict access to everyone else on a "second tier".
I think RP'ers should want net neutrality, cause without it the Daily Paul, and probably anyplace without huge funding, will be impossible to use.

Read about net neutrality http://www.savetheinternet.com/=faq
Here's an excerpt:

When we log onto the Internet, we take a lot for granted. We assume we'll be able to access any Web site we want, whenever we want, at the fastest speed, whether it's a corporate or mom-and-pop site. We assume that we can use any service we like -- watching online video, listening to podcasts, sending instant messages -- anytime we choose.

What makes all these assumptions possible is Network Neutrality.

What is Network Neutrality?

Network Neutrality -- or "Net Neutrality" for short -- is the guiding principle that preserves the free and open Internet.

Put simply, Net Neutrality means no discrimination. Net Neutrality prevents Internet providers from blocking, speeding up or slowing down Web content based on its source, ownership or destination.

Net Neutrality is the reason why the Internet has driven economic innovation, democratic participation, and free speech online. It protects the consumer's right to use any equipment, content, application or service on a non-discriminatory basis without interference from the network provider. With Net Neutrality, the network's only job is to move data -- not choose which data to privilege with higher quality service.

Regulation == violation of

Regulation == violation of rights!
The "internet" is a bunch of networks (most of which are privately owned), that are connected to each other through private contract. Regulating this means the government tells network owners what they can and can't do with their own property, and what they can and can't contract with other network owners.

Regulation == government intervention!
I think nearly everyone that visits this site regularly understands that this is already a bad thing. This is basically synonymous with "violation of rights".

Regulation == decreased competition!
The more regulation in a market, the higher the barrier to entry, which results in less competition. Less competition leads to lower quality of service and higher prices. Less competition by definition leads towards monopolies, since a monopoly is a company that has become the sole provider of a good or service, which means they have no competition. If a monopoly happened naturally, it wouldn't be a big deal, since it was due to providing better goods/services at better prices than competitors, but regulation knocks out competition by increasing the cost of doing business.

Net Neutrality == subsidizing!
By forcing all network owners to treat all data packets the same, instead of possibly finding more efficient ways to manage their networks, which would allow for cheaper ISP plans for users that do little on their internet connection, and charge power users more for faster connections that support more services. This means the power user gets their internet connection for cheaper than they otherwise would at the expense of average users that do much less with their internet. This is subsidization, though in a not so obvious way.

The more the government gets involved with the internet, the less efficient ISP's will become, competition will decrease (hard to stay profitable and in business with extra work to do due to regulation), prices will go up, and the problems caused by the regulation will be followed by more regulation to "solve" those problems.

Right now in most places in the u.s., there's usually just one cable internet provider and one DSL internet provider at any geographical location, as determined by the local government (due to bribes or however else they might choose the ISP). This means if your cable internet sucks, that's too bad. It's either that or switch to your far slower, and more expensive bandwidth per dollar DSL internet option. Usually your only option outside of that is even more expensive bandwidth/$ dial-up connection, which is barely usable to anyone that's had some sort of "broadband" connection. If local government's weren't allowed to contract with ISP's, and just let the individuals there work out with whatever ISP they want service from, and let the ISP work out with property owners where they can run their cables, there'd be better service and cheaper prices, since customers would actually be able to choose their providers competitor if they start slacking, or their competitor later offers a better service/$ to get more customers. This is how

To want net neutrality is extremely foolish.

...Just a thought...

(I rarely visit this site anymore (especially since Republicae hasn't been here...his posts were about the only interesting thing left on this site), but I happened to check it today and saw this comment and decided I should say something)

Thank you

Thanks for offering that insight. I hope it filled in a few pieces of the puzzle for our NN lovers here.

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Wow, naive much?

Hey, if you liked that link, I've got a link here for Marxism that you might like! I read all about Marxism and it looks like a great system that will help all the people! It can't fail, I swear!

http://www.honeylocust.com/positive/tag/marxism.html

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Looks good to me too

Looks good to me too

You're uninformed

Net Neutrality is the beginning of a regulatory system that of course promises equality (like everything else in America) but does the opposite.

Google is heavily engaged in monitoring and censoring the internet in China and various other countries. They work in tandem with the government to oppress the most populated country on Earth.

Regulations are always 'for your best interests', but google is part of the CFR and supported Obama. They are archiving all of your search results and have agreed to hand them over to the government.

In fact they are organizing the information and securing it for the government.

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I'm sorry, but that's not correct

If I'm wrong please send me some proof. I know Google is not perfect, but how do you think the Internet will function if websites like this one are put on a second tier of service? Do you think we might not bother using all those sites we now use if they became extremely slow?

According to my understanding, the purpose of Net Neutrality is to provide equal access to the Internet for all sites.
I'll be happy to eat my words if you can prove otherwise.

To those who think it's not good from a business standpoint, I would have to say that is a matter of philosophy. I believe it is better for the freedom movement to have equal access, so I would propose it is a Hamilton vs. Jefferson style of disagreement. Do you think, as Jefferson, that all sites should be equal, or do think that, for a price, some should be "more equal" than others, as Hamilton would?

Just removed Google as my search engine,

We'll see how Yahoo does.

Cuil

http://www.cuil.com is another.

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"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul

Keep em coming, Free Market Solves The Big Brother Problem

Google is nothing but collective "mind share". No reason to use them.



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Google is Big Brother

The sheeple love big brother.

Socialists are Everywhere

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Now back to your commercials, nothing to see here. ;)

Every Industry

that's ever set foot in the United States always eventually lobbies to become a monopoly and take control via government regulation. Look at Electric, Gas, Telecommunications, Cable. In a free country lobbying would be illegal because of the nature of the relationship between our legislators and the people. If they are serving us then money taken to serve industry is in direct conflict. Who's your daddy? They pay better anyway so we don't have snowballs chance in hell.

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all day I tried to access DailyPaul at the main library in Toronto and all I was able to "access" was the add at the top....I was changing computers....20-30 tries....I am mad as hell.

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That happened to me too, but

That happened to me too, but at my house.

I had a hard time this morning too!

I didn't have much time so I gave up and just now tried again...working ok now!

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